Sorry sugar plum. But thanks for the complimentQuote:
Originally Posted by doctor screw
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Sorry sugar plum. But thanks for the complimentQuote:
Originally Posted by doctor screw
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I don't know what her situation was, but let me tell you about my first shoot. I looked like shit. I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. Buddy gave me hardly any direction, my photos weren't edited to remove any blemishes, I was so nervous that I took a ton of zanax and was out of my mind, I was terribly disappointed with my first photo shoot and I thought it was the worst photos of me that I ever saw. And yea, I was bugging steven about when they were going to release them too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayden Harley
From what I hear, I wasn't even going to get reshot or anything until I got my shit together, and came back with a whole new look and personality and got shit done outside of grooby(SMC,Strokers,Bobs). After I did all that, grooby had me back.
After I dealt with all that shit, I have no sympathy for people who want to pretend like grooby singled them out. That is just the nature of shemaleyum. Its raw and not all glamed up like other sites. Know what you are getting into and don't pretend like everyone owes you something or that they have the time to hold your hand like you're special.
I always give this advice out to girls who ask me and I tell them "Do not be a Diva. Don't be mean or rude. Be polite, and nice, and be cool with people and it will take you places. You burn your bridges and you are done." Its 100% true. If I didn't know what I was talking about, I wouldn't have got all the stuff done that I have in my "porn career".
I was singled out and once again someone else proves it for me. I mean first of all, anybody calling themselves a director should, you know, direct. What happened to us is unacceptable. It degrades the model, the product, the company, and the industry. It's a travesty. They take for granted that most transsexuals already have the glamour thing going on before they shoot, so they don't bother to help the other girls out, knowing how difficult it is to start. What's worse is that they're largely seen as the first go-to of new models since it's their self-described mission to shoot the largest number of girls possible, but they pay little attention to quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyDaly
The only differences between what happened to you and what happened to me are that a) your absolute worst picture wasn't the only one used in your marketing from day one in an attempt to derail your career before it even began, and b) you kept your mouth shut about the poor quality. You decided to play ball. I chose instead to stand up for the girls who come after me and got myself blackballed. You got screwed and you liked it. Well bully for you. Not everybody does, and they shouldn't have to.
~BB~
LOL your 1st shoot sounds just like mine. I shot with Tony, in NYC. I'm sure he did all he could, but I wasn't happy with what I looked like in the photos and videos. I still don't even like LOOKING at the content from that shoot. Sure, I feel they weren't edited enough, but I ultimately realized that my LOOK was the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyDaly
I went back for a reshoot in Ft. Lauderdale with Jack Flash. Showed up with a new, more appealing look, and I was really please with the outcome (the members seem to really like them too). A part of me really likes having those hideous photos/videos of me on there, so people know how far I've come in being comfortable in my own skin, and knowing what works for me.
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So you both admit that this IS the way it is and always has been. I just want to get that on record since everyone's been denying it for over 2 years. :geek:
~BB~
You weren't singled out. I can't count how many times they have put up stupid photos of me on my site tour that I had to go back and change myself. Who ever chose to put those preview photos up was not Steven. They chose it because its what they thought were the best. Maybe they didn't have a good enough eye for you and you got a bad draw, but you weren't singled out. And like I said. That is the nature of the beast. Its Shemale Yum and it SELLS to their customers. Just like the people who sign up to club expect nothing but the best photography and a more glammed up look.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
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Originally Posted by AmyDaly
So I see Woodywoodsac is no Woody Guthrie in terms of intelligence or temperament. He's a folk hero of the ignorant to be sure. I'm not sure who burst his little bubble, but he's got a hard on for somebody or something, and pissed a nasty hateful hissy fit. He needs to be taken to task, dismissed then ignored. H's proved he's not worthy of further attention.....
Having said that....What's been interesting to me so far is Amy's response. I have no particular beef with her, in fact I think she's a hottie, but her response is symptomatic of part of the problem in here, and I've seen enough of it to know a trend. Amy and others will lead you to believe in political and other threads that's she hates hate and intolerance....which is probably true for the most part, but she certainly has the capacity to hate TV's as do many of the other ladies in here. Call it what you like, but in my book it smacks of hypocrisy. I'm obviously not a trans woman, but as someone explained it to me once in here....TS feel that TV's and CD's give them a bad name. I'm perfectly capable of understanding the differences between Amy and Kim, and my guess is so are most others. It would seem there's some truth to that judging by the vitriol directed at some TV's in here. Is it possible that because many TS ladies on here exhibit open contempt for TV's that it gives the wink and nod to others to pile on? Are some of the dudes looking for affirmation from the ladies and find it by smashing imperfect people? It appears that way. I don't think there's any danger of Trans Women losing their special status here on HA or become second class citizens...( except in the mind of Woody and a few others like him) , so why does it go on? I normally like opinionated people, but I think we've taken that to the extreme in here. But it's not only TS women....I recall a thread awhile back where Jamie was bustin' on Kim...that's a real fucking head scratcher ! It would appear to me that TV's are a part of HA and will continue to be, so either folks accept that, or we'll just continue merrily along saying we hate hate, but actually exhibiting more of it than any of us like to admit. Some of the shit I see on here would make a skin head gathering seem like a company picnic. lol
What exactly are you referring to?Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley
Lol Im not asking you to travel all the way up here, just think about it if u passing by...
If I knew u seriously wanted to meet me, I'd probably send u a pic, but it wouldn't be on here. Maybe It'd be by PM or even a phone pic. But even then I'm hesitant because how I know u wont post up my pic?
I'm only "closet" mainly in front of certain people, such as close friends and some co-workers, not to the world. Im no george clooney but every tgirl I met have yet to complain about the way I look :wiggle:
Oh no, my argument isn't that I was singled out before the shoot. I was singled-out afterwards because I dared to criticize. That's really all there is to it for me. And you've admitted that on other threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyDaly
I'm just saying: all I ever wanted to do was fuck on camera and get paid for it. I didn't want the politics believe it or not. I sincerely feel I was pulled into it by the actions of Buddy and Steven, and if I ever thought they were even capable of having an honest discussion about it, off the record of course, I would be game, but even if we were to reach a level of cordiality, it wouldn't last unless they were to make some changes that I'm not convinced they're ready to make, like being more inclusive behind the scenes so that girls can start their own businesses, and a little more exclusive where it counts: on a site dedicated to transsexuals but featuring all kinds of transgendered people.
~BB~
If you go back to what I said, I said what is the point of trying to market her here. Its one thing to post with some updates every now and then, but they are invading other peoples threads and spamming her photos all over the place and for what? The majority of the people posting here are here to see transsexuals. When I ask whats the point of marketing her here, I am asking why be SO dedicated to invading threads and spamming her photos if the majority of people don't want to see it?Quote:
Originally Posted by onmyknees
I wouldn't go over to www.crossdresserforums.com and spam the hell out of myself, and invade threads. That takes dedication and for what return? Get a bunch of people hating me? No thanks, its a waste of time. That is what I meant.
Yeah, you celebrities have to worry about that kinda stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirCumsAlot
um.. that didn't make much sense lol You're out to who? HA?Quote:
Originally Posted by SirCumsAlot
You're wither in the closet or your not lol
I totally clicked on that, thinking it would at least have some hot pictures, but alas it isn't a real site :-(Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyDaly
Bella, why would they want to pay you money after you publicly berate them? Why would they want anything to do with you? I am telling you right now that if you acted the way you did towards grooby to anyone else, it would burn that bridge too. I am not trying to poke fun at you or anything like that, but seriously...why haven't strokers,bobs,or SMC re-shot you? Its because of your attitude. I know what your response will be and you are going to say that Steven put out the bad word on you, but SMC, strokers, and bob don't give a shit what Steven thinks about models. They just want the $$$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
hehe someone should snatch that up if its not takenQuote:
Originally Posted by dgs925
Which came first? The chicken or the egg? I seem to remember considering that awful headshot in yellow light to be the first blow in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyDaly
Hey, did you know that he changed my avatar on the SMY forum to that photo because he knows how much I hate it? Yes. Really. And of course I'm banned so I can't change it.
Steven's been playing dirty since day one.
~BB~
Haha trust me if I was a celebrity, I would not be in upstate ny right now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayden Harley
When I say I'm not "completly in the closet" I mean that by I don't mind being seen in the public with a tgirl or don't mind certain people knowing im bi and I'm into tgirls. Few people know I'm bi, some don't. BUT I also know people who're so one sided and dont beleive in bi's or tgirls(they them automatically classify them as gay) and think all gays should be abolished. Im cool with them but stay closeted from them because some of them are business partners.
Trust me though, I think someday we'll cross paths and you wont be disappointed ;-)
You gon know its sircumsalot when I cum!
I agree. It didn't take me long to learn not to click on Kim's threads, but it's harder to avoid her marketing campaign when it pervades all areas of the forum. Obviously that's why she does it, but what's the pout (ironically my Phone's autocorrect changed that from 'point' lol) of irritating everyone when it will mostly work to alienate her further from potential customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyDaly
I'm happy for her if she's successful, but I don't find her attractive, and haven't come here to see her photos.
Wrong..Quote:
Originally Posted by SirCumsAlot
I've been approached by enough genuinely beautiful men before, but I feel a certain way about guys who don't take a stand against transphobia yet reap the benefits of our struggle.
I understand your position, but I don't support it. I put my life on the line everyday just to be myself. I'm not going to give a guy the time a day that doesn't share my stance against intolerance, just because he's 'cute'. Plenty of gorgeous men out there that don't see me as a liability.
Men like you are given 2 options. Pay, or be rejected.
Not trying to offend you, just letting you know where I stand.
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Meh, and I'm not offended. Like how you know there's plenty of cute guys out there, there's also plenty of cute tgirls out there too. If I got to the point where I couldnt see a tgirl for free or I had to or wanted to pay, I'll pay, because I dont mind paying, I paid in the past and would do it again, but thankfully I know a few on the personal basis where I dont need to pay to see them. I'm not gonna try to persuade you to think differently about me because I'm hungry and few my friends want me to wup their ass on some xbox live so imma hop off here for the night. I understand your line of work, lifestyle and all and I respect that. I went out with a tgirl in florida for a good while before I had to leave and we had a great relationship together, we're still good friends, then I went out with one in Vancouver Canada, but for a short while because I had to leave again, so I know how to have a relationship with a tgirl. R Kelly didn't write Down Low on his ownQuote:
Originally Posted by Kayden Harley
Well, they are not men, cause otherwise i wouldnt like em, they are not women, cause otherwise i wouldnt like em, they're tgirls. Yay!!!!
Ho-hum this old chestnut again.
Bella let's get things in order.
You didn't like your first shoot. We didn't present you in a bad light, we put up the best we had of you that would sell those sets.
When you approached us for a new shoot we said no.
At first I said No to Amy also but then saw how much she'd developed on Shemale Strokers and really want her back in.
I didn't think Kayden's (Blondie's) original shoot was that great personally but a lot guys on there loved her and we had her back pretty fast. I believe she was even a (gasp) part-timer at the time.
The difference is Bella, these girls were either a) popular or b) had changed their look.
You had neither of these. We would have probably/possibly had you in for a reshoot at some point but not when you asked.
You then started your "campaign" of hate against me and everything to do with my company and after that, you bet you were singled out - singled out as the most decrepit little shit who'd worked for us.
So let's not get the history of this mixed up.
For the record.
All our sets are retouched and we spend more time (and money) than almost any other site on hand-retouching to make the models look as natural and real as possible, instread of a simple smooth and blur technique across the whole sets.
I see all sets and headshots when a site goes live even though the webmaster would have made that decision. I often change them out but often because of the size/rotation of the image, it's not possible to find something better. Models commonly don't like their pics that we choose for promotion - but we don't choose it based on whether they like it or not but whether we think it will sell her/the website.
I changed your profile out for one you didn't like on purpose? I can't remember, it's so insignificant but it sounds like something I would do to amuse myself momentarily just to piss you off after everything you've said.
To conclude, nobody else wants to work with you either Bella? Strokers, SMC, Bob, I don't think any of them have had you back for a reshoot. Boo fucking hoo.
- Brilliant!Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBelugosi
Really? A closeup in which I have a goofy look on my face and yellowish teeth taken in yellowish light is the best you could do? Please. If that's your story, you're more pathetic than I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
I never approached you for another shoot. I wanted nothing to do with you which is why I burned the bridge with you. You're a straight up fucking liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
So you're agreeing with me. You care more about making sure you shoot everything in a dress than you do about quality and you don't mind exploiting inexperienced models who may not be ready to do it. So where's the argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
I'm popular and have changed my look despite your attempts to keep me down. So again, please tell me how I was different from any other girl outside of the fact that I called you on your shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Actually, no. I called you out on your passive-aggressive attempt to destroy my potential for a career and you blamed the shitty shoot on me alone. You took -ZERO- responsibility even though there were many chefs burning the soup. Lucky for me, you didn't know that I'd already shot with the other sites. At that point it was already too late to get rid of me completely. Too bad, so sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Please. I've seen more mustaches, acne, wrinkles, etc from one set of SMY photos than almost all of what Isa's doing over at Club. She makes you look like a rank amateur in this business, and instead of attempting to meet her level of quality, you just dump a bunch of blame on the models instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Yeah. You're hysterical. Right up there with Carlin.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Bullshit. I shot a DVD for Strokers after this started with you. Bob won't touch me because you're all up in his business (literally, still being a partner in BTG - or did you think I wouldn't find out?), and I haven't approached SMC because of my issues with Danielle (although I suspect they'd say no on that equally nepotistic basis, but like I said, I haven't asked).Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
And then there's the matter of the shoots I did for trannyfacesitting.com and the website development I'm arranging with another company that shoots transsexuals but wants no part of the politics. You should take a lesson from them and quit jabbering on these boards. Nobody cares what a mouthy fat cat like you has to say, which of course is why you argue with so many members of forums that your company doesn't own. On your own sites, you outright ban those who disagree with you. You can't even deal with the slightest criticism, even if it may help your business, and I didn't hesitate to criticize, so you had to 'deal' with me, right?
Nut up or shut up, 'Dear Leader.'
~BB~
That was your face and your teeth - that was the best we had of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Seriously? You are saying you never asked us for another shoot? You've even stated on here that you were turned down for a reshoot. More madness Bella.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
She was ready and wanting to do it. I get 30-40 models a week applying. It's not about quality it's about giving some girls a go, in this case, my point being I was in-correct about her first shoots. Guys loved her and asked for more.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
No you are not popular. You may think you are. Nepotism had nothing to do with anything - I've said why we would never work with you (after starting your campaign).Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
But you were completely wrong. I had no interest in your career, destroying it or otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Exactly, Club airbrushes a lot of the models far more extensively than we do. I may be an amateur but I'm a successful one. I don't dump any blame on a model, I make MY choice on who to feature and I take full responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Didn't you once say I had you blackballed from the industry? How come Strokers shot you AFTER your claim. How many times have they had to back Bella?Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
I'd be interested in knowing how YOU know about this. It is meant to be a secret and everyone involved has signed confidentiality agreements. How do you know this?Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
So they haven't approached you, despite having a photographer in LA who may even be able to make you look okay?Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Trannyfacesitting??? What is that? Good for you Bella, let's see how many shoots you get from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
You failed because of you and you continue to fail. How many years have you wasted on this already? How many ways have you tried to (ahem) bring us down? How many models have you told not to work with us ... what a slap in the face it must have been to see them on Shemale Yum?
Bella - go and build, do something positive with your life. This mis-placed hatred and energies spent on trying to put us down surely could be put to better use and if not, well there are the other options on making the world a lighter and happier place.
To all wannabe NEW models - whatever level of transition you are in - WE want to hear from you at admin@grooby.com
A color correction filter was too much trouble for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Nope. Lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Not popular with whom? Other girls who you've turned against me or SMY members who've only seen my worst material? :?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Really? You've made a career out of crushing descent on forums and you think I'm gullible enough to think that it ended with me? :?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
You're a truly ridiculous man.
... and I don't agree with that either. The general consensus that I've heard from fans is that a happy medium is most appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
... and you didn't take responsibility with me. What changed? You really think any model would attack you and your company for absolutely no reason? Wowzers you're deluded!
Yes. They had me back ONCE and that was it. I'm pretty sure it a fluke too because they had originally booked Bee Armitage.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
... because I always get the information that I want and know how to utilize it to my advantage. Nobody does it better. Or haven't you figured that out yet? Imagine what I could have done for you if you didn't burn your half of the bridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
None. I always just tell the girls what to look out for. In fact I tell them to tell you that they know me so that you'll try to pry for information and show your true colors. Beware of co-intel J. Edgar Hoover. :geek:Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
That's what I intend to do and this status quo on top of which you sit is in my way. I'm not trying to destroy you, just push aside an obstacle.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
... not as long as you and you ilk are running things. First you remove the cancer, then you get healthy. Call off the dogs (blacklist) and we can go back to ignoring each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
"AND THE TRUTH shall set you free" - YouTube
~BB~
Brilliant Bella - lies and self-justification.
Nobody knew that I owned 40% of Bob's site so how did you find that out?Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
That's for me to know and you to never, ever find out. I never reveal a source. Or maybe I really do have psychic powers. Either way, just call me 'Deep Throat.'Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Oo baby! That sounds hot! :jerkoff
What's your point? He already he admitted he owns 40%. :?Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyDaly
He owns a lot of things people don't realize he does, such as HungDevils and TGFlix for instance, purchased in a failed attempt to control the dialog surrounding the niche. Yeah, because I wouldn't do the same thing in his position. Really. :lol:
~BB~
12/13 - Bob's TGirlsQuote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
We like to welcome Bob's TGirls to the SMCRevenue.Com family. As most of you know, Bob's TGirls is the home of the best Tgirls on the Net since 1999"
http://nats.smcrevenue.com/
Should I just go ahead and declare my flawless victory now or wait until one of the other Mortal Kombatants starts a poll about it?
Bella wins. Fatality. :dead:
~BB~
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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Hmmm - what did you win?
Touche. A Mortal combat quote. I see your Fatality and raise you a "Ha ha ha. You will never win."Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
http://nats.smcrevenue.com/ (protip: check out who is with smc)
TOASTY! I love Mortal Kombat.
My self respect and integrity. You've been trying to destroy them for years, just as you claim I'm trying to 'destroy' Grooby, as if I could.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
So how's that working out for you? :?
Again. He admits it. He's more concerned at this point about finding his leak than the fact that people know this little tidbit of info.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyDaly
I'm so in his head. :lol:
~BB~
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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Pretty well on all counts right now, Bella.
You've just self-destructed ... and I up working early because we have so much business to do.
I am desperate to find that leak though - PM me so we can work out a price.
Pshh! You know I can't be bought! Or else you wouldn't have resorted to such destructive tactics to try to shut me up. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
~BB~
Fine I'll get Bob and Isa on the phone now - I'll get to the bottom of who spilled the beans.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
You sure he would be concerned about someone giving you obviously wrong information to make you look dumb?Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Don't tell her that, she'll think Deepthroat was a plant by me to make her look dumb - she can do it all by herself.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyDaly
It's nice to see you two not on the same page for a change. Keep it up! :)
~BB~
Not going to read all of this shit but seanchai and Amy I luv the avatars that ya'll have.
I am not going to sit here and let you and your sock puppets make a mockery of this thread!Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai