WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange handed himself in to British police

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Originally Posted by BritneyBoykins

I LOVE older men :dancing:

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...& my hope has been restored...

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

im pretty sure your forgetting the fact that you represent grooby and you knocking any tgirl isnt right period.i want him dead as do alot of others and you know it.ya think there government officials dont want him dead?come on you know better then that.

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"knocking any tgirl isnt right period" - well apart from being the only sentence you've spelled correct during this last week, that the fuck? I'm not going to pussyfoot (oo-er) around someone just because they are a tgirl ... what sort of namby pamby politically correct shit is that? I'll treat you the same as I'll treat anybody else, regardless of gender identity.

Yeah of course I think there are plenty of people who want him dead but you are the only one who keeps harping on about it here and who is making silly statements. Did you look up your precious Privacy Laws by the way? I bet you wish you'd done that before trying to use them to support your case?

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Originally Posted by dlbi22

lisa is a dope

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your a fag go suck your boyfriends dick asshole

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Originally Posted by seanchai

BUT ... you are a fanatic! You're no different from fanatical Muslims calling for the death of someone for speaking out about Mohammed or fanatical Christians calling for abortion doctors to be murdered. How can't you see the difference?

He HAS NOT leaks anything. Wikileaks has published documents that was given to them the same as many newspapers have. This has been told to you time and time again, yet you are refusing to listen. He is no different from any journalist and deserves the same protection.

What's a snake? Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff?

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Come on seanchai....you're way smarter that to throw that one out there...really ! Look...I understand the argument ( albeit disagree with it intensely) with respect to how some view what Assange did as a public service. We can debate that...but let's not suggest he's this Alfred E. Newman character what this dumb "What Me ?" look on his innocent face. He knew exactly what he was doing. I don't think the relationship between Assange and Manning has been fully explained, but in the US the guy that drives the getaway car in the course of a murder can be charged with murder. In this case...Assange drove the getaway car or perhaps a better way to put it is he facilitated the distribution and theft of what the government see's as their property. The Chicago Trib had a great piece on this today better explaining the unintended consequences. It's required reading for all Assange supportes . It is probably the best piece written out of the hundreds I've read.

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WikiLeaks leader Julian Assange is under pressure from the U.S. and other governments he embarrassed with his leaks of American diplomatic cables, but at least his "hactivist" disciples are behind him.

With Assange in custody in Great Britain, facing possible sex-crime charges in Sweden, his hactivists have launched cyber counterattacks against his perceived enemies, including MasterCard and Amazon, and now even mama grizzly Sarah Palin is claiming she's been hactivized.

It's the most bizarre story of the year, with enough chatter about Assange to fill a cheap novel, which surely is being written.

Naturally, the spy movie will follow, staring some guy with an accent, someone cool like Ralph Fiennes or perhaps Daniel Craig, who'll no doubt display his pecs on a beach in Mallorca as part of the heroic Assange biopic.
To some, Assange is a champion of the anti-American left. Meanwhile, many conservatives want to see him convicted of espionage and sent to prison or worse.

Though I'm a First Amendment absolutist, I wouldn't have published those stolen U.S. State Department cables. Still, he and others have the right to publish the news.

But Assange — or the newspapers that published the documents — don't have the right to pretend there are no real consequences.

"WikiLeaks has a four-year publishing history. During that time we have changed whole governments, but not a single person, as far as anyone's aware, has been harmed," Assange wrote in a hubris-filled op-ed piece Wednesday published in The Australian. "But the U.S. with Australian government connivance has killed thousands in the past few months alone."

It sounds very much like a big speech from a Hollywood movie. The big speech, usually delivered by some craggy-faced actor, involving the need for sunshine to illuminate government secrets otherwise hidden from a free people.

But once the big speech is over, and you're driving home with popcorn on your breath, you might be tempted to think logically about what happens next.

Sure, WikiLeaks and the newspapers have redacted some details, but the clues are there. It's safe to assume that all those documents on the Web site have been downloaded by the intelligence services of every country on Earth. Not just enemy or rogue states, but friendly nations as well.

That means Russia, China, France, Iran, Germany, Spain, South Africa, Israel and more — allies and antagonists — are studying the documents from WikiLeaks.

Their analysts aren't wringing their hands over whether they should be studying the secret cables. They're just studying. They have computers. And their analysts do what analysts do best — connect the dots.

And not only the salacious and entertaining big dots, like that Saudi prince and the prostitutes at his big bash, or the attributes of the curvy Ukrainian nurse for Moammar Gadhafi, or what Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton wanted her diplomats to do with DNA. There are also the smaller, seemingly insignificant dots.

Analysts aren't interested in the well-known names, the public names, the official names. They're interested in the names hidden between the lines. And they'll find them.

These smaller dots aren't famous. They're foreign nationals. They could be clerks and janitors and such. They have names and friends and families. And soon, one dot is tied to another dot is tied to another dot.

Once they're connected, a door is kicked in by the security forces. The dot is put into the back seat of the car, then driven to a place where sunshine does not illuminate anything. And nobody notifies Assange about what became of the dot or its family.

By then, they're not dots anymore. They're not abstractions. They're real people. Or they were. And that's something that Assange — who reasons like a child — pretends not to understand.

After the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, our Democratic and Republican politicians argued that the U.S. had plenty of satellite surveillance and other technology, but what was required was more human intelligence, people listening to gossip, taking names and remembering faces.

America spent years building up such networks. The WikiLeak extravaganza is an invitation to other nations to grab a broom and sweep them up.

This debate isn't new. Since I'm writing for the Chicago Tribune, I should tell you what happened on June 7, 1942, during one of the most important battles in all of World War II, the Battle of Midway in the Pacific.

The Tribune under Col. Robert McCormick published a front-page story under this headline: "Navy Had Word of Jap Plan to Strike at Sea." It reported that the Navy had advance knowledge of the size and movement of the Japanese fleet.

The implication was clear: The Navy had cracked the Japanese code.

President Franklin Roosevelt, who loathed McCormick, wanted to try him for treason. Some historians have written that Japanese intelligence did not fully comprehend the impact of the Tribune story. The Navy clearly did not want a trial, for fear of drawing more attention to the issue.

So after five days of secret hearings, a federal grand jury in Chicago refused to indict.

Did McCormick have the right to publish? Of course he did. The First Amendment is quite clear.

But as a retired Army officer, he surely knew that such published information could put lives in jeopardy. He had a choice. And as a grownup, he must have understood the consequences.

And that's something Assange and his hactivists — prattling childishly about sunshine and how nobody's been hurt "as far as anyone is aware" — pretend not to understand.

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

your a fag go suck your boyfriends dick asshole

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it should be "*you're a fag". and whats a dick asshole?

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

In this case...Assange drove the getaway car or perhaps a better way to put it is he facilitated the distribution and theft of what the government see's as their property.

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Weren't the Watergate tapes stolen? Should CBS have been prosecuted?

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Originally Posted by dlbi22

it should be "*you're a fag". and whats a dick asshole?

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ask your boyfriend

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Originally Posted by dlbi22

it should be "*you're a fag". and whats a dick asshole?

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I would guess that it's the urethra.

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

ask your boyfriend

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he doesn't know either...

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Originally Posted by dlbi22

he doesn't know either...

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roflmfao.ok fine so i left out the comma,shoot me damn it lol ps.nice comeback lol

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Weren't the Watergate tapes stolen? Should CBS have been prosecuted?

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Ahhh yes...play the old watergate card....ya sure ya wanna go there with me Bella?? Think about it....

Watergate= brake in of a hotel to scoop DNC secrets to gain the upperhand in an electorial process...and btw...lots of folks spent lots of time in jail. To my recollection none of that info was government "classified" but I'll have to go back to my old Woodard and Bernstien notes.

WikiLeaks= possession and distribution of classified State Department cables some mere gossip, but some involving secret discussions between the Lebenese Foreign Minister with US and Isreali officials regarding Hammas and Hezboloh.

Surely you can see the difference?

Imagine how ole Bernstien feels being compared to Assange by Bella !! LOL

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

Ahhh yes...play the old watergate card....ya sure ya wanna go there with me Bella?? Think about it....

Watergate= brake in of a hotel to scoop DNC secrets to gain the upperhand in an electorial process...and btw...lots of folks spent lots of time in jail. To my recollection none of that info was government "classified" but I'll have to go back to my old Woodard and Bernstien notes.

WikiLeaks= possession and distribution of classified State Department cables some mere gossip, but some involving secret discussions between the Lebenese Foreign Minister with US and Isreali officials regarding Hammas and Hezboloh.

Surely you can see the difference?

Imagine how ole Bernstien feels being compared to Assange by Bella !! LOL

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your way too smart to be in this thread lol

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

ask your boyfriend

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Don't be too hard on him Lisa...Here's what I think he meant when he called you dope...or at least that's what I took away from it.....LOL

DOPE>>>
A word that describes something that is extremely cool, such as music, clothes, people, etc.
Ain't nobody dope as me, I'm dressed so fresh so clean...Outkast

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

Don't be too hard on him Lisa...Here's what I think he meant when he called you dope...or at least that's what I took away from it.....LOL

DOPE>>>
A word that describes something that is extremely cool, such as music, clothes, people, etc.
Ain't nobody dope as me, I'm dressed so fresh so clean...Outkast

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marry me lol no were cool i actually like him lol but tx babe,ps. go vote for me in the H.A. realitty thread lol

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Weren't the Watergate tapes stolen? Should CBS have been prosecuted?

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No. Their existence was just revealed by a Whitehouse aide during the Senate hearing & they were subpoenaed by Archibald Cox.

I believe you're thinking of the Pentagon Papers. Ellsberg & Russo used their clearances as analysts to copy shitlosds of incriminating documents from the Pentagon (during the height of VietNam I might add) & turned them over to the New York Times, who started publishing them as a series. An injunction (first prior restraint injunction against the press in US history) was issued, but was lifted when all the rest of the papers in the country got them & started putting them out. The espiionage charges were eventually dropped against Ellsburg & Russo.

I don't believe any publisher has ever been charged with espionage. That's all wikileaks is. They didn't leak the documents from the original source as far as anyone knows.

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

Ahhh yes...play the old watergate card....ya sure ya wanna go there with me Bella?? Think about it....

Watergate= brake in of a hotel to scoop DNC secrets to gain the upperhand in an electorial process...and btw...lots of folks spent lots of time in jail. To my recollection none of that info was government "classified" but I'll have to go back to my old Woodard and Bernstien notes.

WikiLeaks= possession and distribution of classified State Department cables some mere gossip, but some involving secret discussions between the Lebenese Foreign Minister with US and Isreali officials regarding Hammas and Hezboloh.

Surely you can see the difference?

Imagine how ole Bernstien feels being compared to Assange by Bella !! LOL

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OMG, really?! Those people went to jail because they broke criminal law. In this case, while the information is classified, it belongs to the government, and I'm sorry to remind everybody of this, but the government belongs to us. Regardless of those facts, nobody in the media was prosecuted over Watergate, and so the idea of prosecuting Assange for 'stealing' what is ours is so completely ridiculous to me, Bernstein's credentials versus Assange's renegade status aside.

... but Manning should die in prison for violating about a gazzillion civil and military laws, the most important being those pertaining not to espionage since there was no direct aid to an enemy, but to treason.

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Has anyone seen the video tapes from the apache helicopter killing journalists by the way? From wikileaks. It's pretty ugly. You should have a look. It may change your point of view.

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Originally Posted by hippifried

No. Their existence was just revealed by a Whitehouse aide during the Senate hearing & they were subpoenaed by Archibald Cox.

I believe you're thinking of the Pentagon Papers. Ellsberg & Russo used their clearances as analysts to copy shitlosds of incriminating documents from the Pentagon (during the height of VietNam I might add) & turned them over to the New York Times, who started publishing them as a series. An injunction (first prior restraint injunction against the press in US history) was issued, but was lifted when all the rest of the papers in the country got them & started putting them out. The espiionage charges were eventually dropped against Ellsburg & Russo.

I don't believe any publisher has ever been charged with espionage. That's all wikileaks is. They didn't leak the documents from the original source as far as anyone knows.

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For some reason I had it in my head that Deep Throat had actually stolen the tapes. Thank you for that clarification and for reiterating my point.

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Only if boobs were brains. Eh Lisa?

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

im pretty sure im not a fanatic exept my leafs of course im not religeous and i do believe in freedom of speech nut last i checked he aint speaking and never did so this has nothing to do with freedom of speach period,he leaked private government documents not knowing what was in them nor caring whats in them and hes not done yet,we both know what he did was extemely wrong period who pointed him judge and jury of what we need to know and see?i doubt i can change anyones mind in here nor do i care but as long as people see him as a hero ill keep posting in realitty hes no robin hood hes a snake plain and simple.if ya wanna talk fanatics that would be his followers you know the hackers who took down visa and mastercard

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This isn't true: "(Julian Assange) leaked private government documents not knowing....) It was Bradley Manning who leaked the information.
Bradley Manning is the leaker, as it were. But he, as yet, hasn't been convicted. (But, again, why aren't we charging The N.Y. Times and The Guardian and Der Spiegel for PUBLISHING the leaked cables?)
"Manning was arrested by agents of the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command in May 2010 and held in pre-trial confinement..."
And:
"On July 5, 2010, two misconduct charges were brought against him for 'transferring classified data onto his personal computer and adding unauthorized software to a classified computer system' and 'communicating, transmitting and delivering national defense information to an unauthorized source....'"
And:
"The charges included unauthorized access to Secret Internet Protocol routers network computers, download of more than 150,000 United States Department of State diplomatic cables, download of a classified Microsoft powerpoint presentation, and downloading a classified video of a military operation in Baghdad on July 12, 2007. Manning is also charged for forwarding the video and at least one of the cables to an unauthorized person."

The guy has been demonized. When it is Clinton with Lewinsky, no one cares about the source, or the Iran gate, the Watergate as it is mainstream - yes Partisan papers. So why hate the guy? He is truthful and unbiased, and if he has raped women, then I hope he pays big time. But his media actions? No one had it on the source about Abu Grahib when torture was mentioned. Come on. A bit of sense maybe?

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Originally Posted by Distance

The guy has been demonized. When it is Clinton with Lewinsky, no one cares about the source, or the Iran gate, the Watergate as it is mainstream - yes Partisan papers. So why hate the guy? He is truthful and unbiased, and if he has raped women, then I hope he pays big time. But his media actions? No one had it on the source about Abu Grahib when torture was mentioned. Come on. A bit of sense maybe?

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He didn't rape anyone. It's just stupid socialist European bureaucracy. Nobody does it better. :roll:

He was charged with having sex with two women consensually in violation of mandatory condom laws.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

He didn't rape anyone. It's just stupid socialist European bureaucracy. Nobody does it better. :roll:

He was charged with having sex with two women consensually in violation of mandatory condom laws.

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ah,did he not have sex without a condom while she was sleeping?last time i checked it was called rape

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

ah,did he not have sex without a condom while she was sleeping?

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My guess would be no.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_794285.html

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

My guess would be no.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_794285.html

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so if i had sex with a guy i met this morning and hit it off then later that night he wanted it again and i said no im tired you can stay the night but youll have to go in the morning,later that night while i was sleeping i awoke with him fucking me without my consent after i said no your telling me thats not rape? im not saying that happened to him but if it did hes toast and he wouldnt have been arrested without probable cause period.

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

so if i had sex with a guy i met this morning and hit it off then later that night he wanted it again and i said no im tired you can stay the night but youll have to go in the morning,later that night while i was sleeping i awoke with him fucking me without my consent after i said no your telling me thats not rape? im not saying that happened to him but if it did hes toast and he wouldnt have been arrested without probable cause period.

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Well he wasn't arrested. He was Red Noticed by Interpol and turned himself in willingly. My bet is that it's because he knows he's innocent and wants to clear up the charges and get in and out of the system before the U.S. government has the time to attempt to file charges of their own as well as an extradition request.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Well he wasn't arrested. He was Red Noticed by Interpol and turned himself in willingly. My bet is that it's because he knows he's innocent and wants to clear up the charges and get in and out of the system before the U.S. government has the time to attempt to file charges of their own as well as an extradition request.

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lol nice try bitch lol if he was innocent he wouldnt have been running in the first place.his lawyer asked him to turn himself in remember?

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

lol nice try bitch lol if he was innocent he wouldnt have been running in the first place.his lawyer asked him to turn himself in remember?

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ROFL! Nice try yourself there hot stuff! ;)

He was on the run because a lot of people, you included, called for his head! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

ROFL! Nice try yourself there hot stuff! ;)

He was on the run because a lot of people, you included, called for his head! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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now ya know how much weight i carry lol :dancing:

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

now ya know how much weight i carry lol :dancing:

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Girl, I nearly spit! :Bowdown:

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Girl, I nearly spit! :Bowdown:

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lol so um.....................wanna fuck?

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

lol so um.....................wanna fuck?

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You're 'strictly top,' right? :lol:

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

You're 'strictly top,' right? :lol:

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im as verstile as it gets but remember my golden rule,,,,if your gonna stick it you have to lick it lol words to love by.

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

im as verstile as it gets but remember my golden rule,,,,if your gonna stick it you have to lick it lol words to love by.

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Originally Posted by dderek123

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omg,where do you come up with this?lol

That's from that old movie called Booty Call. It's a classic!

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Originally Posted by Ben

YouTube - Julian Assange, Nobel Peace Prize?!

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nobel peece prize lol thats rich

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Originally Posted by Ben

YouTube - Julian Assange, Nobel Peace Prize?!

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Give it a rest Ben....The only thing he's going to win is extradition back to Sweden.

And bedises...Lisa's talkin' about lickin' and lovin so let's take a break form hero worship for a little while .........Please?