Anyone else find this F*ed Up

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Originally Posted by seanchai

The highest and most visible links are:

Worthy Causes *

• AIM – Healthcare Foundation
• Free Speech Coalition – FSC
• Stopping the Hate
• Terence Higgins Trust

Happy to add any others?

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Well maybee as an employer of the TG community you should try to find those of Europe/Orient/Asia hell even advertise the Cannucks on there..

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Originally Posted by SunshyneMonroe

Im sorry i think the site is just wrong...

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Well I respect your oppinion but I think that you are beyond valid.. JMHO

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

LOL! I know all this. I've had my name changed. And you're right that a person could look up the information online or do a little footwork, but it still requires knowing certain things about a person in order to find that information. It's not like I can enter a girl's name into Google and find her birth name. I need to know where she's from, possibly her date of birth, etc to get that info. I know it's not hard to do, but it's also not easy to do without some kind of direction.

~BB~

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Sounds to me like "Informants" have been payed for the info,

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

First of all-

Let's get one thing straight- when you do porn or nude modeling is is with you for ALL of your life anf after your DEATH. I don't remembere anyone stopped showing Marylin Monroe's topless Playboy pic after she died.

It's something you CHOOSE to do and people will remember you in that way AFTER you have died.

Let's face the reality that if you CHOOSE to objectify yourself as a sex worker, wether you are a model, prostitute, adult actress that is mostly likely how you will be remembered.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Steven is a good man with a reputable company, whom I consider to be a good friend and he has always shown the upmost respect from transsexual women.

If you want to be remembered for something else then do something else with your life-
Yes I am have been an escort, model, actress but I have done way more than that as well.

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Sounds to me like she is one of those who is after a quick buck. She doesent seem to take into consideration WHAT she is doing to make that money, she seems almost ashamed/uncertain of herself.

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

Paris, I think you are being very general here and there are people like myself who have abosolutely no shame about being in the sex industry.
I am very proud of the work I did as an adult actress and what I achieved as such. It took me places and I have done things, met people I would have never have-the list can go on and on. I have no problem being remembered as that.

I don't mean that in an argumentative way, or to fight- I just think your comment was general and there are certain girls who chose adult work to build a career and name brand, both ts and gg.

It's not always just a means to an end, but a means to building a business and a legacy or sorts.

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My gosh a freaking star with their head screwed on? Is the world gonna collapse?? I agree 100%

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Originally Posted by peggygee

I lo
ve the way my body looks, my face, breasts, vagina, hips, and butt. I
love it from head to toe.

But if I were to drop dead this moment I wouldn't want to have nude
photos of me floating around for eternity.

Thus I have a motto that I wouldn't shoot a photo that I wouldn't want
my Mom or my clergy to see, which isn't to say that I wouldn't shoot
something for my significant other, and if Mom or someone else saw it,
oh well.

But the bottom line is that a person is most likely going to be
photographed and immortalized for what they were primarily known for
while they were alive.

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If you are shot in the way that the entire world is going to see, then that is your epitaph. You ARE what the record of your life is. If you are a Surgeon, then YOU ARE YOUR MEDICAL RECORD, if you are a Porn Star, then YOU ARE YOUR PHOTOS/VIDEOS, YOU SHOW PRIDE IN ALL OF YOUR WORK.
If it isnt something you will show pride in doing thirty or forty years down the line THEN DONT DO IT..

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I'm sorry, but just because something is precedented, that doesn't make it right. So because newspapers have always printed male names, they should continue to do that as well? :geek:

~BB~

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Then isnt it damn well time that you got the freaking LAW CHANGED? Or will you still vote for the person who puts their RELIGION AS IMPORTANT?
Guess what as long as "IN GOD WE TRUST" you are submitting to a fucking gosh damned ROMAN EMPERORS COMPROMISE... Oh and just in case you are Canadian THE FUCKING QUEEN OF THE KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND has submitted to the equality laws of the UK, which means you change your Birth Certificate you ARE the new sex, and as such YOU are A GIRL..

Change YOUR COUNTRIES LAWS TO GET RESPECT..

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Originally Posted by SarahG

Unless the newspaper has a subscription datamining service that they automatically run every name through before printing stories... You'd be surprised what little information is sometimes needed.

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Like I said CHANGE IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS. Dont just sit there and say "ooh thats wrong" FUCKING SHOUT IT IN YOUR Constitutions soul..
http://www.qtl.co.il/img/copy.pnghttp://www.google.com/favicon.icohttp://www.qtl.co.il/img/trans.png

First of all-

Let's get one thing straight- when you do porn or nude modeling is is with you for ALL of your life anf after your DEATH. I don't remembere anyone stopped showing Marylin Monroe's topless Playboy pic after she died.

This true but you dont see her nude pics posted on memorial sites dedicated to her.
http://marilynrememberedclub.blogspo...l-service.html

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Originally Posted by Pelheckitt

First of all-

Let's get one thing straight- when you do porn or nude modeling is is with you for ALL of your life anf after your DEATH. I don't remembere anyone stopped showing Marylin Monroe's topless Playboy pic after she died.

This true but you dont see her nude pics posted on memorial sites dedicated to her.
http://marilynrememberedclub.blogspo...l-service.html

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Course not, peeps turn a blind eye to those things out of a BULLSHIT religious view.

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

Paris, I think you are being very general here and there are people like myself who have abosolutely no shame about being in the sex industry.It's not always just a means to an end, but a means to building a business and a legacy or sorts.

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True

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Originally Posted by Pelheckitt

First of all-

This true but you dont see her nude pics posted on memorial sites dedicated to her.
http://marilynrememberedclub.blogspo...l-service.html

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Thats the point i amn making

not that i had any doubts, but i'm amazed and incredibly respectful of how well-informed and well-written allanah is. there needs to be a lot more of that on here instead of the petty attacks, slurs, and ill-written nonsense.

Indeed, I always love Allannah's well-worded and balanced posts here.

It's definitely a little strange. It's hard to say one way or the other if it is tasteless. In one sense, I can see maybe it's a tribute, since these girls were obviously self possessed in terms of their profession but I will agree, there's something off-putting to it all.

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

First of all-

Let's get one thing straight- when you do porn or nude modeling is is with you for ALL of your life anf after your DEATH. I don't remembere anyone stopped showing Marylin Monroe's topless Playboy pic after she died.

It's something you CHOOSE to do and people will remember you in that way AFTER you have died.

Let's face the reality that if you CHOOSE to objectify yourself as a sex worker, wether you are a model, prostitute, adult actress that is mostly likely how you will be remembered.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Steven is a good man with a reputable company, whom I consider to be a good friend and he has always shown the upmost respect from transsexual women.

If you want to be remembered for something else then do something else with your life-
Yes I am have been an escort, model, actress but I have done way more than that as well.

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well said

FK

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Originally Posted by Pelheckitt

First of all-

Let's get one thing straight- when you do porn or nude modeling is is with you for ALL of your life anf after your DEATH. I don't remembere anyone stopped showing Marylin Monroe's topless Playboy pic after she died.

This true but you dont see her nude pics posted on memorial sites dedicated to her.
http://marilynrememberedclub.blogspo...l-service.html

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Someone will be remembered by their representative body of work. Since Marilyn had other images to more accurately document the life being memorialized, it would be tacky and misleading to include naked pics on a memorial site. For someone who was known mostly for such pics, its not just proper, but is appropriate to give context to the loss of the person, and their work, being marked by the memorial. In the case of adult entertainment, its as much a persona as a person we are honoring. To use other images from their life outside of the business would breach the separation between personal and professional in death in a way many girls would never ever do in life. They should be mourned and remembered the way they were known by their fans and the way they wished to be known by them.

FK

Direct and to the point. Felicia, you are a voice of reason.

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Originally Posted by Felicia Katt

Someone will be remembered by their representative body of work. Since Marilyn had other images to more accurately document the life being memorialized, it would be tacky and misleading to include naked pics on a memorial site. For someone who was known mostly for such pics, its not just proper, but is appropriate to give context to the loss of the person, and their work, being marked by the memorial. In the case of adult entertainment, its as much a persona as a person we are honoring. To use other images from their life outside of the business would breach the separation between personal and professional in death in a way many girls would never ever do in life. They should be mourned and remembered the way they were known by their fans and the way they wished to be known by them.

FK

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Considering the struggles we go through and how many of us get into porn due to a lack of options as opposed to an honest-to-goodness desire, I'm really surprised that you're of that opinion. But then, you've always been an apologist for the site owner, so maybe I shouldn't be.

And Marilyn was a more-than-willing participant in her own exploitation all the way until the end. Remember, a lot of the girls who have died were retired or hadn't been seen in a while. If they were trying to get away from the porn industry, I seriously doubt they'd wanted to be depicted in a sexual manner in memoriam.

~BB~

i can kinda understand both sides but at the end of the day if you wanna see nude pics then they're available everywhere else... but on the memorial the pics should be more tasteful... pics with friends or just chilling when they were being real. i mean porn is just a job it's not real life and people aren't defined only by their work. also a lot of girls have this 'fake' persona on camera where they say/do things they're not normally into so horny guys will buy it and they can make some $$$. it's not their true personality in most cases. if a girl wants to be remembered just for her porn that's cool but i'm guessing most don't...

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Originally Posted by kyoJecours

i can kinda understand both sides but at the end of the day if you wanna see nude pics then they're available everywhere else... but on the memorial the pics should be more tasteful... pics with friends or just chilling when they were being real. i mean porn is just a job it's not real life and people aren't defined only by their work. also a lot of girls have this 'fake' persona on camera where they say/do things they're not normally into so horny guys will buy it and they can make some $$$. it's not their true personality in most cases. if a girl wants to be remembered just for her porn that's cool but i'm guessing most don't...

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i like this one, i would prefer not seeing the adult pics of those TS girls in their memorial site.

when i first saw that site i even taught its another fetish of men to jack off on those adult pics knowing those girls passed already, necrophilia.

:yingyang:

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Originally Posted by alyssaluxor

when i first saw that site i even taught its another fetish of men to jack off on those adult pics knowing those girls passed already, necrophilia.

:yingyang:

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Guys looking for stiffs?

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Originally Posted by LAGent4ts

Direct and to the point. Felicia, you are a voice of reason.

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thank you.

FK

while i understand y u wouldnt want certain pics displayed, often many other pics arent supplied and/or available


frankly, if seachai and crew didnt network and post such news, itd just be swept under rugs all day.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Considering the struggles we go through and how many of us get into porn due to a lack of options as opposed to an honest-to-goodness desire, I'm really surprised that you're of that opinion. But then, you've always been an apologist for the site owner, so maybe I shouldn't be.

And Marilyn was a more-than-willing participant in her own exploitation all the way until the end. Remember, a lot of the girls who have died were retired or hadn't been seen in a while. If they were trying to get away from the porn industry, I seriously doubt they'd wanted to be depicted in a sexual manner in memoriam.

~BB~

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If a girl has retired and doesnt want to be known as a member of the Porn Comunity, then she should request her sets/videos be removed.

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Originally Posted by phobun

Guys looking for stiffs?

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yes a little bit like that they are looking at those naked pics of TS girls knowing they passed away already and imagining them stiff and they jerk off

:yingyang:

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Originally Posted by FREEFALLL666

If a girl has retired and doesnt want to be known as a member of the Porn Comunity, then she should request her sets/videos be removed.

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Unfortunately it's not that easy. Once they're online, they're there to stay...regardless if they're taken down from the originating source.

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Originally Posted by Willie Escalade

Unfortunately it's not that easy. Once they're online, they're there to stay...regardless if they're taken down from the originating source.

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Exactly and a lot of times before getting into porn people warned,if you're worried about someone finding explicit images of yourself then this is not the business for you.It's like back in 70's where out actors would find themselves performing in X- Rated Movies in order to make ends meet.Back then the thinking was well these movies are only shown in the sleazy part of town in some raunchy theater.Low and behold the VCR,DVD & Internet surfaced.

Many industries (National Academy of Engineering, Aircraft Builders Association, Air Medical Memorial, State Bar Associations) to mention a few, have memorial sites on the internet to remember & acknowledge individuals within their respective professions /industry for the contributions and involvement of the memorialized person.

The Grooby memorial is an industry memorial, an attempt to remember and acknowledge individuals who worked in and contributed to the TG/TS adult entertainment industry. Unlike other professions where individuals have usually been full time employees of various organizations and ones business life crosses over into ones personal life, the individuals in front of the camera in the adult industry are usually not employees (thus usually less knowledge about ones personal life off camera) and often go to great lengths to separate their professional on screen persona from their private off screen life. Under the circumstances, to incorporate too much information from an individuals private life in a memorial such as the one Grooby has set up would, in my opinion be crossing the line and very well be an insult to the desires and memory of the individual being memorialized.

As respects the photos used, everyone is entitled to their opinion as to their appropriateness and is a subject that can be debated ad nausium, without resolution.

The fact remains that Grooby made a decision to create a memorial site to acknowledge these individuals in a manner they believed to be respectful, and like other industry memorials, created with the expectation that the majority of visitors would be fans, industry friends and others in the adult entertainment industry.

However, as this thread has brought out, there is always room for improvement.

There are individuals who have been critical of the Grooby memorial site who have their own Transgendered oriented web sites. It will be interesting to see if any of these individuals, some of whom are also involved in the adult industry, are actually concerned enough about the memory of their fellow industry professionals to dedicate space on their sites to create a Memorial more in line to what they believe to be a respectful and appropriate tribute. Hopefully they will then provide a link so as to share their vision with the rest of us.

since its easier to make noise than to make a difference and easier to hurl bricks than build something with them, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

FK

+1 to LAGent and a tentative +1 to Felicia. I would like to see something good come out of this.

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Originally Posted by Star Angel 86

Exactly and a lot of times before getting into porn people warned,if you're worried about someone finding explicit images of yourself then this is not the business for you.It's like back in 70's where out actors would find themselves performing in X- Rated Movies in order to make ends meet.Back then the thinking was well these movies are only shown in the sleazy part of town in some raunchy theater.Low and behold the VCR,DVD & Internet surfaced.

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Even posthumously? Really? :roll:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by LAGent4ts

There are individuals who have been critical of the Grooby memorial site who have their own Transgendered oriented web sites. It will be interesting to see if any of these individuals, some of whom are also involved in the adult industry, are actually concerned enough about the memory of their fellow industry professionals to dedicate space on their sites to create a Memorial more in line to what they believe to be a respectful and appropriate tribute. Hopefully they will then provide a link so as to share their vision with the rest of us.

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Umm, yeah. I'm pretty sure we all know who you're talking about, so are you going to help me with that? I'm a one woman operation and I'm spread pretty thin. Not to mention that Total-TG is a social networking site that allows (and indeed depends on) members to create their own groups and announcements. Please feel free to have at it. ;)

Although, as a side note I do have a project in the works intended to celebrate the lives of transgendered women. With all of the recent developments, I'm going to bump up the schedule on that.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Even posthumously? Really? :roll:

~BB~

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Love or hate it their remembered as Adult Film Stars.
In other words if your ashamed of your adult past it can come back and haunt you.Even in death.

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Originally Posted by Star Angel 86

Love or hate it their remembered as Adult Film Stars.

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Like I said before: I agree, but it doesn't have to be in poor taste. That's all. Porn can celebrate the beauty of the whole woman or degrade them and I think in death, we all deserve the former.

Oh, and another thing, here's the blogroll for the site in question:

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Blogroll
Amy Daly TS Official Blog
Bob from Bob’s Tgirls Blog!
Damazo Blog
Grooby Steven
Japanese shemales
Shemale Inch
The Grooby Blog

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So, yeah, there's exploitation all the way to the end here. :geek:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by blckhaze

while i understand y u wouldnt want certain pics displayed, often many other pics arent supplied and/or available

frankly, if seachai and crew didnt network and post such news, itd just be swept under rugs all day.

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Painfully true. If the producers and the true friends of those lost didn't step up to memorialize them, it is a scant few that would fill the void otherwise.

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Originally Posted by FREEFALLL666

If a girl has retired and doesnt want to be known as a member of the Porn Comunity, then she should request her sets/videos be removed.

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They often do this and most, if not all, of the producers/content providers acquiesce to that request. For one, it's basic common decency, for another, it heads off later content feuds and lawsuits. Still, it's not a cure-all.

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Originally Posted by Willie Escalade

Unfortunately it's not that easy. Once they're online, they're there to stay...regardless if they're taken down from the originating source.

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See above. Even though a content provider, producer, or what-have-you, removes that content out of courtesy, common sense, or CYA basic business policy, that doesn't mean that muggledywump brazillion viewers haven't already saved, captured, or shared the content. Remember, it is that saved/shared content that the producers are fussing about now.

Nowhere is safe.

And I'm now thinking of those two pics from my misspent youth that I shared here. Christ! I'm fucked! :crazy

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Umm, yeah. I'm pretty sure we all know who you're talking about, so are you going to help me with that? I'm a one woman operation and I'm spread pretty thin. Not to mention that Total-TG is a social networking site that allows (and indeed depends on) members to create their own groups and announcements. Please feel free to have at it. ;)

Although, as a side note I do have a project in the works intended to celebrate the lives of transgendered women. With all of the recent developments, I'm going to bump up the schedule on that.

~BB~

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Bella, I'm more than happy to assist you.

And yes, I realize that you are a "one woman operation" and that your "spread pretty thin". However, in my opinion, I think this subject goes to the very "root" of the concerns you have commented about so many times in the past, the perception of Transgendered individuals. I believe this memorial discussion would be an opportunity for you to illustrate how something could be improved upon or made better for the good of your community which has been the theme of many of your past postings.

However, as far as your "having at it" comment, the implication being that I should undertake such a project, I disagree. While not perfect, I respect the effort made by Grooby to pay tribute to those that have passed who worked in the adult industry.
With all due respect, you are one of the individuals critical of the Memorial site, not me, so please, don't try to pass the buck! I did not know her, I am not in the industry and as such am not qualified to prepare such a memorial. In my opinion, for me to do so would be disrespectful.
I honestly think that something as timely and serious as this is, involving someone in the adult entertainment industry, who you knew ("This is the first time I've actually, personally known someone TS who's died. It's making me a little dizzy"*) would move you to take the opportunity to share your thoughts and perception, given your writing and computer skills not to mention your industry knowledge, about how to Properly and Respectfully memorialize and celebrate this young woman's life. As noted before, "there is always room for improvement."
As you stated in another thread, "Sure, I think it's noble profession, but lots of other people don't including some of the girls who do it. As I've said, a whole person died, not a porn star, and that should be memorialized accordingly."**
You're a smart woman Bella. You have the venue and the skills to correct a situation for someone you knew, who you believe has been memorialized in a manner not befitting them.
At the end of the day, I guess it all boils down to the strength of one's convictions, opinions and credibility which separate those that talk the talk and those that walk the walk.
"I didn't know Jezebel that well, but I did know that she suffered just as much as any transwoman, sometimes at the hands of other transsexuals. I just don't want that to be in vain. ~BB~ " **


My offer to assist you remains on the table. You know how to contact me.

*http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...4&postcount=17

**http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...9&postcount=94

PS: I'm sure I am not alone when I say I look forward to your project that will celebrate the lives of Transgendered women you have in progress.

LAGent, I'm not trying to pass the buck to you, but I am trying to ask for everyone's help. That's what Total-TG is all about - all of us working together against the multitude of issues we all face since, like I said, I can't do it all by myself.

I only knew Jezebel in passing, and she's the only girl I've ever known at all that has passed, so I get my information second-hand just as much as anyone else. That said, it makes a lot more sense to provide people a venue to express their ideas, concerns, memories, etc, without my leadership, so I've just created a new group on TTG called Transgender Memorials. It's an open group which means that, while I would like everyone to register for an account, it won't be necessary to have one in order to view it.

http://total-tg.com/pg/groups/6497/t...der-memorials/

May the fallen not rest in peace, but live on forever in our hearts and minds.

~BB~

PS: If anyone has any shots of Jezebel that are on the candid or more conservative side, please email them to bellabellucci@ymail.com. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Felicia Katt

since its easier to make noise than to make a difference and easier to hurl bricks than build something with them, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

FK

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Very well said and true indeed!

Well the nice thing is that all this noise has increased the visits to the site by 5 fold. So no matter what your thoughts on the matter are or how we present it, more people are seeing the site and finding out about the tragedies, dangerous lives and reality of what many of the models do go through.

To those of you, complaining about MY choice of photos. Those are not only the photos that I have at hand (and have ownership of) but the ones which I think are representative of her as a model.

I welcome any efforts, blogs, posts, twitters, etc. than can further spread this message. Thanks to you all for your messages of support, I hope we don't have to update this site as often as it's been for 2010, with three angels passing in tragic circumstances.

Seanchai made a memorial years ago. He's kept it updated. I've been around this business as long as he, and whatever you may think, I don't think anyone can get on here and say he was being disrespectful. As he has said, he used what he had, pics he had rights to, and the news clippings that provided the best info possible.

For Bellucci to come on here screaming exploitation as usual is sickening. To this day she has a blog up exploiting Ashley George's name, been asked by Ashley George herself to remove it, and refuses. That's called exploitation. Now she's asking for candid pics of Jezebel to be sent to her. Good luck having those taken down if a family member should ask her to do so. ( Once again, using the Ashley George Blog example)

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Originally Posted by seanchai

Well the nice thing is that all this noise has increased the visits to the site by 5 fold.

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The miraculous British Face Saver strikes again. I'm sure what you say is true. So you had one visitor, and now you have 5, right? Please.

So are you going to take the links to the porn sites off now or continue to profit from models even after their deaths?

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Originally Posted by shemale-411

For Bellucci to come on here screaming exploitation as usual is sickening. To this day she has a blog up exploiting Ashley George's name, been asked by Ashley George herself to remove it, and refuses. That's called exploitation. Now she's asking for candid pics of Jezebel to be sent to her. Good luck having those taken down if a family member should ask her to do so. ( Once again, using the Ashley George Blog example)

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Again, that's a gross oversimplification to the point of being an outright lie. Ashley herself asked for the site and then asked me to take it down the moment I could potentially profit from it. Meanwhile, there are 5 other sites doing the same thing that never had her approval, so who's trying to exploit whom? She wanted me to do the work for her because we were 'friends,' but she didn't want me to benefit. Fuck her.

But it's OK, because the more you depend on this as your go-to argument whenever there's a real, grown-up conversation about issues taking place (and you want to defend sleazeball producers like the tool that you are), the more we know that you're a pathetic, ass kissing FAIL.

http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/u...pment_fail.jpg

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

The miraculous British Face Saver strikes again. I'm sure what you say is true. So you had one visitor, and now you have 5, right? Please.

So are you going to take the links to the porn sites off now or continue to profit from models even after their deaths?

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Yep, now I have 5 ... and it's better than 1 - and 3 more than your blog!

I'm not going to remove the links to any sites, the same as I link to Fallen Angels from all my porn blogs. It's a site for deceased TG pornstars.
Go cry a river elsewhere Bella. Your the boy who cried wolf, nobody cares anymore ...

i did say that i thought the pictures should be more tasteful but that's just my opinion... i mean he still actually did something to remember these women by which is a lot more than anyone else here.

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Originally Posted by seanchai

Yep, now I have 5 ... and it's better than 1 - and 3 more than your blog!

I'm not going to remove the links to any sites, the same as I link to Fallen Angels from all my porn blogs. It's a site for deceased TG pornstars.
Go cry a river elsewhere Bella. Your the boy who cried wolf, nobody cares anymore ...

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Originally Posted by Fallen Angels...

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Keep up the great work. Keep those memories alive, Seanchai. :roll:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Keep up the great work. Keep those memories alive, Seanchai. :roll:

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

~BB~

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Thanks Bella, we will better than you, as we'll bring people in.
You missed the top links that are the most visible.

• * Worthy Causes *
  
  
  
  • AIM – Healthcare Foundation
  • Free Speech Coalition – FSC
  • Stopping the Hate
  • Terence Higgins Trust

Furthermore, we also link to our Grooby Charities page at:
http://grooby.com/charities.html
In which we showcase the charities which we like and give support to including:
http://www.asacp.org/index.php (Association Sites Advocating Child Protection)
http://www.icrc.org/eng (International Red Cross)
http://www.amnesty.org/ (Amnesty Int.)
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/
http://ecpat.com/eng/index.asp (Ending Child Prositution, Pornography and Trafficking)

Thanks to some useful posters this week, I can also look at some TG specific charities that look good. I do urge everyone to look at the above links and consider them.

However, if you want a true charity case, then look no further than Bella Bellucci - she needs all the help and support you can muster. :praying:

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Originally Posted by seanchai

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Thanks Bella, we will better than you, as we'll bring people in.
You missed the top links that are the most visible.

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I didn't miss them, I excluded them knowing full well you'd mention them because you were going to miss (or deflect) the point, which you did. The point is that you can put all the causes you like up there, but the site is still a portal for the pay sites of your brand. You're supposed to be some kind of marketing genius or something, so you do get that, right?

An electronic grave robber is all you are.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

An electronic grave robber is all you are.

~BB~

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That's all I am.
:Bowdown: