I think we should have a civil war......

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

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Originally Posted by Dirky

For every guy like jcinva who considers all trans 'men', there's an overwhelming majority of us that think of you as women.

I wouldn't get too worked up over it, really.

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Dirky, I appreciate the sentiment, but what's wrong will never be right.

It will never be ok to label pre-op M2F sexworkers as "untrue" transsexuals.

It will never be ok to refer to pre-op M2F sexworkers as "gayboys with boobs".

It will never be ok for anonymous men to refer to ANY M2F as "male".

It will never be ok to paint escorting as a job with no future.

It will never be ok to portray M2F sexworkers as vapid and superficial.

I don't care who stays on HA. But if you want to dish it out, be prepared to take it. We may not be the most unified "community", but we're not going to roll over and die for a bunch of cowardly masturbators hiding in their closets and behind their computer screens. Or, at least I know that I won't.

And to some degree, those who are not with us actually ARE against us. So I suggest that those of you who do indeed appreciate us as women, regardless of our genitalia. stand up and be counted. Otherwise, download your free porn and, please, stfu. We've never needed you smug cowards before, and we sure as hell don't need you now.

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I don't think anyone with half a brain, whether it's a TS or their admirers, would dispute any of that. I just think there's a lot more of us here that do respect you as women but we're not as vocal as the minority that doesn't. I just hate to see a certain few paint the rest of us in a bad light. Some of us aren't trying to be armchair Freud's or father figures and aren't looking at HA as a dating service. We just want to be entertained by a bunch of unique WOMEN.

I must take exception to Nicole's quip about 'cowardly masturbators hiding in their closets'. I have never masturbated in my closet. There's simply no space in there to do that. :lol:

Right on Dirky!!

I never spooged in the closet either!!

How insulting!!

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Originally Posted by Jim Brown

...Against tranny admires who don't like the tranny cock and talking shit about cock loving tranny admires. I mean WTF??? Are you kidding me?? Youre on a gaddamn tranny forum and your calling people cock hounds. Seriously, are you being serious?

I think we should run them up and behead them or stone them to death.

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Yeah, I feel what your saying. The lying liars here don't bother me. They all suck tranny cock, but why they gotta lie about it so...hatefully?

Closet christian republican, self-loathing faggots I imagine.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

It will never be ok to label pre-op M2F sexworkers as "untrue" transsexuals.

It will never be ok to refer to pre-op M2F sexworkers as "gayboys with boobs".

It will never be ok for anonymous men to refer to ANY M2F as "male".

It will never be ok to paint escorting as a job with no future.

It will never be ok to portray M2F sexworkers as vapid and superficial

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"Germans?"

"Forget it. He's rolling."

Hey jcinva :moon
:trolls

I say as long as Children and animals aren't involved, what ever turns ppl on is their business. For someone to come on here and not be into Tranny poles, fine. But for someone to come on here and bash someone for liking trannies/genitalia that's just pointless, why are you on here then??

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Originally Posted by sucka4chix

Apples and oranges. You're not adding nutmeg to hemlock, you're changing the basic chemistry of hemlock. Now is it still hemlock???

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I tried to tell the cop that once I put the vodka into the orange juice, I could not possibly get drunk! That narrow-minded cop needs to evolve with the times and try to be as open-minded as I am.

Let's face facts: there is no objective external reality, and this is especially true for morphogenetic concepts such as a person's sex. A person's sex is always and everywhere a purely social and linguistic notion.

Newborns are too often tortured by the tendentious misrepresentations of doctors who see a penis and call it a boy. How absurd, callous and premodernist those doctors are!

Wow, I can't believe how polarizing cock is on a transgendered porn forum? Is that not confounding to any other posters?

Something I meant to add to my previous posts about my disdain for what I feel to be, for the most part, feigned indignation regarding phallic appreciation on this forum is...I personally believe it's a compensatory mechanism negating ones inherent attraction. Essentially saying, I like men who dress like girls so invalidating men who enjoy oral with other girls men parts makes me straight by proxy. There's bound to be some Freudian superficiality in there somewhere isn't there, folks? I think it's guys caressing their very fragile ego.

Gimme Rosario or Maria from the "Transsexual Prostitute" series and I'll deliver a couple inches of diamond strength love.

I'd like Camilla, too but she tried to fly. Miriam, is hot, also but someone tried to make her fly.

Now, the trannies all referring to guys oral cavities as cock-holsters is beyond what my grape is willing to decipher.

I want to join the jcinva fan club, reading this thread he just comes out on top. It's like he uses logic to back up his arguments, as radical an idea as that is.

Like him, I come here for the hot pics - but haven't drunk the kool aid yet. Unlike him though, I am willing to participate in the charade for the benefit of you ladies. You say you are women, I'll say you are women. In the end, at least in this little corner of the internet, it'll almost be like you actually are women.

It's only when people try to accuse each other of being the gay ones, that someone has to stand up and shatter the illusion saying "um, guys, we are all gay here". Thanks, jcinva, for being the one to say that.

So the cock suckers are savagely attacking the minority?

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Originally Posted by paulgutierrez

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

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Originally Posted by Dirky

For every guy like jcinva who considers all trans 'men', there's an overwhelming majority of us that think of you as women.

I wouldn't get too worked up over it, really.

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Dirky, I appreciate the sentiment, but what's wrong will never be right.

It will never be ok to label pre-op M2F sexworkers as "untrue" transsexuals.

It will never be ok to refer to pre-op M2F sexworkers as "gayboys with boobs".

It will never be ok for anonymous men to refer to ANY M2F as "male".

It will never be ok to paint escorting as a job with no future.

It will never be ok to portray M2F sexworkers as vapid and superficial.

I don't care who stays on HA. But if you want to dish it out, be prepared to take it. We may not be the most unified "community", but we're not going to roll over and die for a bunch of cowardly masturbators hiding in their closets and behind their computer screens. Or, at least I know that I won't.

And to some degree, those who are not with us actually ARE against us. So I suggest that those of you who do indeed appreciate us as women, regardless of our genitalia. stand up and be counted. Otherwise, download your free porn and, please, stfu. We've never needed you smug cowards before, and we sure as hell don't need you now.

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What are you a sheminazi?

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Are you fucking nuts? lol I love being objectified and given false validation on MY terms. 8)

So, no. I'm no feminist, but I can most definitely be a royal CUNT. lol

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Originally Posted by dgs925

I want to join the jcinva fan club, reading this thread he just comes out on top. It's like he uses logic to back up his arguments, as radical an idea as that is.

Like him, I come here for the hot pics - but haven't drunk the kool aid yet. Unlike him though, I am willing to participate in the charade for the benefit of you ladies. You say you are women, I'll say you are women. In the end, at least in this little corner of the internet, it'll almost be like you actually are women.

It's only when people try to accuse each other of being the gay ones, that someone has to stand up and shatter the illusion saying "um, guys, we are all gay here". Thanks, jcinva, for being the one to say that.

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If you can't respect us please stop posting here.That goes for both of you

Some guys are just idiots, nuff said. There's a good portion of the guys on this forum have never been with a transsexual and they are fixated on this sexual fantasy fetish. I think if the guys call the girls: men, fags, gayboys, battyboys, or what the fuck ever, then the guys should be banned. Because nobody came here for the guys to sprew their 10 cent psychobabble, guys (and some girls) come here for the pictures and to talk to transsexuals.

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Originally Posted by blonde_sweetheart

If you can't respect us please stop posting here.That goes for both of you

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Thanks for talking to me cutie, but I'll stay. I respect you, but don't believe everything you believe.

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Originally Posted by bte

I think if the guys call the girls: men, fags, gayboys, battyboys, or what the fuck ever, then the guys should be banned

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First off, wtf is a battyboy? Second, from your argument I take it you believe that a girl calling a guy a fag is OK, as well as a guy calling another guy a fag. Those aren't bannable, but call a girl a guy and get the fuck out?

I don't need to point out the logical inconsistencies there.

Batty boy (bhatti boy or batty bwoy) is just another name for a gay person.

Name calling is never okay, but if a girl calls you a fag and you know you're not, then don't sweat it. If a boy calls a girl a boy then thats unacceptable, considering that without the girls on the forum then it would just be a bunch of guys trading pics of t-girls. Although I imagine that we would still have the discussions of "Am I gay?" even if there are no girls on the forum.

Guys who have no connection to TS women irl are the only one's trapped in this "M2F are actually gay males" quagmire of their own making.

God, it must suck to be them.

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Originally Posted by bte

If a boy calls a girl a boy then thats unacceptable, considering that without the girls on the forum then it would just be a bunch of guys trading pics of t-girls.

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Excellent point, I'll cut that out now.

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Originally Posted by dgs925

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Originally Posted by blonde_sweetheart

If you can't respect us please stop posting here.That goes for both of you

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Thanks for talking to me cutie, but I'll stay. I respect you, but don't believe everything you believe.



First off, wtf is a battyboy? Second, from your argument I take it you believe that a girl calling a guy a fag is OK, as well as a guy calling another guy a fag. Those aren't bannable, but call a girl a guy and get the fuck out?

I don't need to point out the logical inconsistencies there.

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Jcinva is obviously ok with being gay, so why can't we call him a 'fag'? If you believe that you're gay too, why not just accept it when we actually call you gay? I'm very close friends with all kinds of people, fags and dykes included. Queers have no issue with being called "queer". Every gay guy I know throws around the the "f" and the "q" words. So why are you two such touchy homos?

Actually, I do know exactly why. lol ;) Ya know what you and jcinva are actually telling? You're both telling us that you're in the closet. Anyone who falls into the lgbt category can tell you that.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

Jcinva is obviously ok with being gay, so why can't we call him a 'fag'? If you believe that you're gay too, why not just accept it when we actually call you gay? I'm very close friends with all kinds of people, fags and dykes included. Queers have no issue with being called "queer". Every gay guy I know throws around the the "f" and the "q" words. So why are you two such touchy homos?

Actually, I do know exactly why. lol ;) Ya know what you and jcinva are actually telling? You're both telling us that you're in the closet. Anyone who falls into the lgbt category can tell you that.

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And, of course, it comes right back to point #1 -

If you believe that a man is gay for fantasizing or engaging in sexual acts with a transsexual, then it follows - inescapably - that you, Nicole, believe - really, truly believe, that M2F transsexuals, including yourself...

ARE GUYS.

Sorry, Nikki - can't have your cake and eat it on this point. You get to sling around the H, G, or F words about all the cumguzzling, knob polishers on the board, as much as you like. In doing so, however, you concede to your deepest, most personal belief, that despite all the surgeries, make up, ranting, and that awesome little Tranny Manifesto you posted back a couple pages ago

despite page after page of denial

you still believe yourself to be a guy.

Otherwise, you'd be the first to take a bullet before you'd permit one of your "admirers" to be tagged by anyone with the epithet, "queer."

Because permitting an "admirer" to be labeled a "queer" or "fag" says as much about you, as it does them.

Thank you & Good night.

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Originally Posted by jcinva

And, of course, it comes right back to point #1 -

If you believe that a man is gay for fantasizing or engaging in sexual acts with a transsexual, then it follows - inescapably - that you, Nicole, believe - really, truly believe, that M2F transsexuals, including yourself...

ARE GUYS.

Sorry, Nikki - can't have your cake and eat it on this point. You get to sling around the H, G, or F words about all the cumguzzling, knob polishers on the board, as much as you like. In doing so, however, you concede to your deepest, most personal belief, that despite all the surgeries, make up, ranting, and that awesome little Tranny Manifesto you posted back a couple pages ago

despite page after page of denial

you still believe yourself to be a guy.

Otherwise, you'd be the first to take a bullet before you'd permit one of your "admirers" to be tagged by anyone with the epithet, "queer."

Because permitting an "admirer" to be labeled a "queer" or "fag" says as much about you, as it does them.

Thank you & Good night.

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Dummy, you're not placating me here. The only point anything's coming to, on this thread, is the one on your head.

You, and your internal struggle with your OWN sexuality, are what's queer here.

Gay men are notorious for only zoning in on genitalia, and that's exactly what you've done and are continuing to do.

But, hey. It's ok. Cock comes first for you. We totally get it. Furthermore, we still love you as a human being. We don't care if you're gay.

Women rarely do. So, if you need your dick on a girl to make it seem any less gay for you, we'll simply let you enjoy it and be done with it.

But, sweetheart, I'm STILL a chick with a dick.

You're the gay man here.

Not me.

You.

Not the guys who appreciate our beauty FIRST.

You.

Not the women who appreciate a handsome man for simply being a handsome man.

YOU.

So you're never proving a fucking thing at this rate, Mr Paralegal Drill Sargent.

Only fags argue with women anyway, and you most certainly have nothing to worry about proving when it comes to doing that.

Nicole, it's like you don't even know how to read. You crack me up!

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Originally Posted by dgs925

Nicole, it's like you don't even know how to read. You crack me up!

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W/e. You clearly have nothing substantial to contribute here. Your every post is ambiguous and negative, unless you're admitting to be gay.

Look. Some guys like going into the locker room for the show, but some guys just wanted to change their clothes after they exercised. But they all had access to the locker room. Seriously, we get it. Ok?

You and jcinva are here for cock. You're gay. Wtf do want us to do about it? Do we all have to be gay with you now? I seriously don't follow you.

Well Nicole is right as usual. I'm honestly laughing at the fact that jcinva (an anonymous fag on a porn forum) think's he has more authority on my gender than I do! It's all just entertainment for me , I'm attractive,intelligent,confident,have a loving supportive family & friends.Once again ,you are an anonymous "man" on a porn forum.You have absolutely no authority on my life.

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Originally Posted by jcinva

And, of course, it comes right back to point #1 -

If you believe that a man is gay for fantasizing or engaging in sexual acts with a transsexual, then it follows - inescapably - that you, Nicole, believe - really, truly believe, that M2F transsexuals, including yourself...

ARE GUYS.

Sorry, Nikki - can't have your cake and eat it on this point. You get to sling around the H, G, or F words about all the cumguzzling, knob polishers on the board, as much as you like. In doing so, however, you concede to your deepest, most personal belief, that despite all the surgeries, make up, ranting, and that awesome little Tranny Manifesto you posted back a couple pages ago

despite page after page of denial

you still believe yourself to be a guy.

Otherwise, you'd be the first to take a bullet before you'd permit one of your "admirers" to be tagged by anyone with the epithet, "queer."

Because permitting an "admirer" to be labeled a "queer" or "fag" says as much about you, as it does them.

Thank you & Good night.

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Dupre can't change reality by wishing a dream (womanhood) to be true. For the very bitter Dupre, the dream will always be just that, a dream.

Guys here know that lots of transsexuals have realized their dreams. These girls look like girls. Their verbal and non-verbal demeanor is consistent with who they say they are. They're sweet-hearted women who often ride off into the sunset with the guys who love them.

But if you look like a dappled Joe Pesci in drag, and act like a petulant screaming queen, that ain't gonna happen. And no desperate soul willing to play make-believe, even as he's zipping up his pants and returning to real life, $125 poorer, can validate the masquerade.

So Dupre fully understands the implications of calling the guys here "fags". By using that slur, Dupre is admitting the truth about Dupre's gender, while revealing a ton of self-hatred for not realizing the dream.

JCinva, etc., honestly, why are you even here on HA?

I mean, why did you sign up for an account and decide to post on these forums??

If you and djs925 truly believe trannies are 'men', then by association, your participating in this unique community admittedly devoted to individuals whom you define as 'men', and your looking at erotic pics and graphic sexual images of these said 'men' having sex with other men, would, in my humble opinion, mean you are GAY.

In which case Nicole is 100% correct in calling you exactly what you are, whether she uses slurs, very appropriate considering your self-righteous tone, or not.

Personally I feel you're conflicted emotionally and sexually by your obvious attraction to trannies, phobun too is included.

I too, used to have questions about my sexuality because of the lust I had for TGs, until I realized that it was no longer issue when I stopped trying to psychoanalize why girls like Nicole make me stand at attention(!!).

Instead of trying to decipher where trans-females fit in the gender/sexuality continuum, it may be more helpful if you accept that they exist in their own separate category.

Collectively, their identity is not effeminate; it is FEMALE.

If you've ever interacted with a TG socially, you may be surprised how quickly your stereotypes about who/what a transwomen is replaced by the overwhelming feeling you are encountering a woman fully, not a man in drag.

I dunno, maybe it's the cock issue that's the hangup for some guys. I can understand that, it used to be the same for me as well.

All I can say is, the most crass, simplistic definition of a pre-op TG woman - a girl with a dick - actually is the easiest, most succinct way to classify a tgirl.

If it's a dick thing, GET OVER IT!!

Things are much more fun that way, trust me!!

IF you can't, well, you and I know that you really shouldn't be here.

Why torture yourself??

I mean, she's really a girl...
but she has a cock...
but I'm str8...
but she's so HOTT!!...
I wanna suck/fuck her so bad...
but I'm not into dudes at all....
but she's got such a pretty ding ding!.....
but she's a girl....
but I'm a REAL man!....

Dude, why torture yourself??

IMO, it's far more normal than abnormal for a str8 guy to sexually into tgirls, and I'm certain any girl would tell you the same thing.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

If you've ever interacted with a TG socially, you may be surprised how quickly your stereotypes about who/what a transwomen is replaced by the overwhelming feeling you are encountering a woman fully, not a man in drag.

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..well that part of your quote might be the problem right there. When I first started posting on this particular site..I just naturally assumed it was mostly clients, potential clients or people that had social interaction with transsexuals IRL..such as dating or LTR (sorry Internet chats don't really count)...all here to find out more info on TS lifestyle and so on..(since this is one of the few sites where you can do that)

...Boy was I wrong..lol.