You have to watch this tranny on the train

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Being obnoxious is not a crime. Macing someone who poses no threat is a crime. Get a clue. I dare you to state what the woman did was legal.

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I think the courts would have a good laugh at that video

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So, Legend, are you saying that an adult has the right to mace a kid who is being obnoxious? Yes or no?

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Of course the woman was wrong in pepper spraying the kid. But for me the bigger outrage was to let a child humiliate an adult in public.

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Yoda, A simple question for you. Did the woman commit a crime by macing the child? Yes or No?

And please comment on the statement by the OP

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The discrimination transsexuals deal with is far worse than it ever was for gay, blacks and whatever others.

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Yes, the woman on the train committed a crime, but it's not a black and white issue. The 'victims' clearly had a part in escalating the emotional atmosphere, which led to the assault. There was a popular movie series starring Charle Bronson about a person going after bad guys who had harmed his family, though he was clearly breaking the law as a vigilante.

As far as the discrimination question; I do not belief transexuals have had it far worse. I say all discrimination is bad, so it is unimportant to try and decide who was treated worse, or compare injuries.

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The discrimination transsexuals deal with is far worse than it ever was for gay, blacks and whatever others.

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You have got to be fucking kidding me right?

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't taken from there home, loaded on a ship, and sent to a far off place to be slaves.

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't forced to work on plantations picking cotton against there will.

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't sprayed with fire hoses or had attack dogs sicked on them.

Last time I checked transsexuals could drink from public drinking fountains.

Last time I checked transsexuals could vote.

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't lynched on a daily basis.

Last time I checked transsexuals........................... ETC

I am not saying transsexuals have it easy but HOLY TAP-DANCING CHRIST!

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CO-SIGN CO-SIGN CO-SIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats actually fucking insulting to what my people suffered thru and survived. To compare the gay rights struggle to all of the above is probably the dumbest shit I've EVER read in my life. I'm very serious. Its not even close.

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I am not comparing the two, but if you know the history of gay and trans people- we have been put through plenty of shit throughout history as well.

The Nazis killed hundreds of thousands of gays in concentration camps,
in this country until just a few decades ago you go be jailed, beaten, harrased for going to a gay bar or dressing like a woman- something that became legal in NYC just in the late 60's. Throughout American history there have been many political movements set out to opress LGBT people(which are still going on heavily). Trans women face a a multitude of discriminations in today's society both socialy and economically and trans people are still being killed for being trans people. And to be fair, the African American community, as stated by the President himself, has been less than kind and accepting of LGBT people as well on many occassions- something that I don't understand considering what black people have faced in the US.

While it's impossible to compare the two situations, please don't minimilaze the fact that gays and trans people have been persucted in this heavily country and still are. Please don't minimize that or state that the stuggles that trans women face are somehow trivial.

This video clip in fact is a great example of what some ts women face all the time.

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My comments really were directed at Julie and not yourself. You didn't make the stupid ass statement, she did. But since you chimed in, let me give you one more reason you should never compare what blacks have gone thru to what gays have. We were born this way. We can't change our skin color. Transitioning is a choice. Say what you will but society will always see it as a choice. I've never seen a trannie hung in public, tarred and feathered, for their choice.

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You have got to be kidding with your ignorant and simplistic statements?

First, someone who is part of this community should very well know that transitioning is absolutely NOT a choice. By saying so, you are adding to the ignorant social stigma that exist by those who have no understanding of what this gender is, and I assume you have some sort of understanding\? I was born this way- I HAD NO CHOICE. If I had not done this I would most like be DEAD by now. I had absolutely no choice in the way that I was born- how effiminate I was and how I naturally acted like a girl and suffered dearly for it growing up. I have always acted and had the same manorisms since I can remember, I just simply chnaged the physical apperance to fit my actions, behavior, and mind.

Was it my choice to be taunted, bullied, and abused by other kids fromt he time I was five years old for being so feminine and living with that abuse until I was 16? NO

Was it my choice to have been beaten up by a gang when I was 18 for appearing to feminine? NO. I was beaten up, my skull cracked and was called a fag all the way through it. That is a HATE crime.

I was simply born a way that I could not hide or change, it's just who I am and trust me I have paid the price for it. I am a lucky one that I was able to transtion which indeed has been a blessing as far I am much more happier but that does not mean that I still can't face discrimination and social stigma.

Are you really suggesting that violence towards transsexuals does not exists in our society today?

Maybe you have never seen a transseuxal woman hung in public, tarred and feather but I am sure you are very well aware that transsexuals are indeed STILL murdered (in public) sometimes as the case of Lateisha Green, was shot and killed by Dwight DeLee in Syracuse, NY in 2008 because she was a ts.

What about Leslie Mora, who was attacked by two men in Queens this summer as she was going home. They beat her with a belt right on the street as they called her 'faggot, left hr bloody and cowering on the floor' until a car stopped and helped her.

What about Carmella Etienne who was simply walking on the street a few days later in Queens also ,when two men began to assult her throwing bottles and rocks at her? And when she threatned to call he police
"One of the two men responded, "The police don't care about you, they won't do anything to us," and began to pelt her with bottles. Another shouted at her, "Don't ever walk that block anymore or we will slash your throat."


As you can't change your skin color, I can't change my gender and who I am.

So please- as you are educated in the the history of the plight for equality of blacks in this country-you should become a little more educated on LGBT issues and what WE have gone through and go through still.

It's definately not the same struggle, nor am I comparing it- BUT it is a struggle- LGBT people are one of the most marginalized groups in this country with lesser rights than any other citezens in this country.

:roll: Might I remind some of you that the bitch slapped one of her OWN FUCKING KIDS!?! So it's ok to use violence as the mother, but when a stranger kicks it up a notch everyone wants to scream bloody murder? Please!!! If you smack your kids upside the head as you verbally antagonize a stranger, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING AS SUPERFICIAL AND INNOCUOUS AS THEIR GENDER IDENTITY OR THEIR CLOTHING, you are basically stomping on a landmine!

Case closed.
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Now, 2009AD, let's not forget what a mentally ill bully you've proven yourself to be. You went for FK's jugular for about 2-3 weeks on the HD Anon forum until we all concurred that you were "vickifanindc". At which point, you put your tail between your legs and STFU. So you have nerve trying to pontificate now on here, you hater. Not to mention, you've already been banned from HA for acting like a complete ASSHOLE. Remember that, "BRAVEMAN"? You've lost all credibility, so stop trying to play Mother Teresa. You're TIRED AND LATE.

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:roll: Might I remind some of you that the bitch slapped one of her OWN FUCKING KIDS!?! So it's ok to use violence as the mother, but when a stranger kicks it up a notch everyone wants to scream bloody murder? Please!!! If you smack your kids upside the head as you verbally antagonize a stranger, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING AS SUPERFICIAL AND INNOCUOUS AS THEIR GENDER IDENTITY OR THEIR CLOTHING, you are basically stomping on a landmine!

Case closed.
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Now, 2009AD, let's not forget what a mentally ill bully you've proven yourself to be. You went for FK's jugular for about 2-3 weeks on the HD Anon forum until we all concurred that you were "vickifanindc". At which point, you put your tail between your legs and STFU. So you have nerve trying to pontificate now on here, you hater. Not to mention, you've already been banned from HA for acting like a complete ASSHOLE. Remember that, "BRAVEMAN"? You've lost all credibility, so stop trying to play Mother Teresa. You're TIRED AND LATE.

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Nicole, my big tit Sicilian baby, did the woman in pink need to mace the kid? Was he a threat?

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You have got to be kidding with your ignorant and simplistic statements?

First, someone who is part of this community should very well know that transitioning is absolutely NOT a choice. By saying so, you are adding to the ignorant social stigma that exist by those who have no understanding of what this gender is, and I assume you have some sort of understanding\? I was born this way- I HAD NO CHOICE. If I had not done this I would most like be DEAD by now. I had absolutely no choice in the way that I was born- how effiminate I was and how I naturally acted like a girl and suffered dearly for it growing up. I have always acted and had the same manorisms since I can remember, I just simply chnaged the physical apperance to fit my actions, behavior, and mind.

Was it my choice to be taunted, bullied, and abused by other kids from the time I was five years old for being so feminine and living with that abuse until I was 16? NO

Was it my choice to have been beaten up by a gang when I was 18 for appearing to feminine? NO. I was beaten up, my skull cracked and was called a fag all the way through it. That is a HATE crime.

I was simply born a way that I could not hide or change, it's just who I am and trust me I have paid the price for it. I am a lucky one that I was able to transition which indeed has been a blessing as far I am much more happier but that does not mean that I still can't face discrimination and social stigma.

Are you really suggesting that violence towards transsexuals does not exists in our society today?

Maybe you have never seen a transseuxal woman hung in public, tarred and feather but I am sure you are very well aware that transsexuals are indeed STILL murdered (in public) sometimes as the case of Lateisha Green, was shot and killed by Dwight DeLee in Syracuse, NY in 2008 because she was a ts.

What about Leslie Mora, who was attacked by two men in Queens this summer as she was going home. They beat her with a belt right on the street as they called her 'faggot', left her bloody and cowering on the floor' until a car stopped and helped her.

What about Carmella Etienne who was simply walking on the street a few days later in Queens also ,when two men began to assault her throwing bottles and rocks at her? And when she threatened to call he police
"One of the two men responded, "The police don't care about you, they won't do anything to us," and began to pelt her with bottles. Another shouted at her, "Don't ever walk that block anymore or we will slash your throat."


As you can't change your skin color, I can't change my gender and who I am.

So please- as you are educated in the the history of the plight for equality of blacks in this country-you should become a little more educated on LGBT issues and what WE have gone through and go through still.

It's definitely not the same struggle, nor am I comparing it- BUT it is a struggle- LGBT people are one of the most marginalized groups in this country with lesser rights than any other citizens in this country.

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Everything you've said is sadly true, and I feel for you as I do for ALL of my M2F sisters, Allanah. I might add that the number of LGBT people slaughtered by the Brown Shirts, the SS, the Nazis, etc is now thought to be actually much higher due to the fact much of it was unreported and the incidents were more isolated.

The men of color here, most of whom remain sheepishly anonymous, are trying to out-victimize us when they have relatively very little to bitch about within their own lifetimes. I'd even put forth the idea that somewhere today, hundreds-if-not-thousands of "male" children in this country alone have been either ostracized or bullied for being "fags", and have yet to even suspect that they might very-well actually be struggling with gender issues and not neccesarily their sexuality. Meanwhile, far more African American kids are being praised in today's social climate for their "street credibility" and being grandfathered in to "urban culture". That's the irony, unfortunately.

Let's be honest. Almost everyone with a dick gets a pat on the back for wanting to join the army, become a cop, acting "thug", or fist-fighting. But if you don't, you get reminded of how there's something "wrong with you" by a world filled with inhumane scumbags. People just love to tell you what your "problem is", when often they themselves are the real only problem.

I was humiliated, often ganged up on, and beaten throughout grade school. I had a large bottle thrown at my head at age 16 from a passing car as I walked alone in a gay neighborhood of Manhattan. I've had friends who've been beaten and raped, or were made to feel so badly that they simply destroyed themselves. I've had my life threatened on more than one occasion. I've been beaten, choked, and had a tooth bashed out of my face as an adult.

And at this point, I'm not getting clocked but it still never ends. I went to the hospital ER about 6 months ago, and heard a variety of improper comments. And forget about a job interview - all it takes is one background check on a SS# to be shot down for an "unofficial" reason.

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The discrimination transsexuals deal with is far worse than it ever was for gay, blacks and whatever others.

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You have got to be fucking kidding me right?

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't taken from there home, loaded on a ship, and sent to a far off place to be slaves.

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't forced to work on plantations picking cotton against there will.

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't sprayed with fire hoses or had attack dogs sicked on them.

Last time I checked transsexuals could drink from public drinking fountains.

Last time I checked transsexuals could vote.

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't lynched on a daily basis.

Last time I checked transsexuals........................... ETC

I am not saying transsexuals have it easy but HOLY TAP-DANCING CHRIST!

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CO-SIGN CO-SIGN CO-SIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats actually fucking insulting to what my people suffered thru and survived. To compare the gay rights struggle to all of the above is probably the dumbest shit I've EVER read in my life. I'm very serious. Its not even close.

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I am not comparing the two, but if you know the history of gay and trans people- we have been put through plenty of shit throughout history as well.

The Nazis killed hundreds of thousands of gays in concentration camps,
in this country until just a few decades ago you go be jailed, beaten, harrased for going to a gay bar or dressing like a woman- something that became legal in NYC just in the late 60's. Throughout American history there have been many political movements set out to opress LGBT people(which are still going on heavily). Trans women face a a multitude of discriminations in today's society both socialy and economically and trans people are still being killed for being trans people. And to be fair, the African American community, as stated by the President himself, has been less than kind and accepting of LGBT people as well on many occassions- something that I don't understand considering what black people have faced in the US.

While it's impossible to compare the two situations, please don't minimilaze the fact that gays and trans people have been persucted in this heavily country and still are. Please don't minimize that or state that the stuggles that trans women face are somehow trivial.

This video clip in fact is a great example of what some ts women face all the time.

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My comments really were directed at Julie and not yourself. You didn't make the stupid ass statement, she did. But since you chimed in, let me give you one more reason you should never compare what blacks have gone thru to what gays have. We were born this way. We can't change our skin color. Transitioning is a choice. Say what you will but society will always see it as a choice. I've never seen a trannie hung in public, tarred and feathered, for their choice.

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You have got to be kidding with your ignorant and simplistic statements?

First, someone who is part of this community should very well know that transitioning is absolutely NOT a choice. By saying so, you are adding to the ignorant social stigma that exist by those who have no understanding of what this gender is, and I assume you have some sort of understanding\? I was born this way- I HAD NO CHOICE. If I had not done this I would most like be DEAD by now. I had absolutely no choice in the way that I was born- how effiminate I was and how I naturally acted like a girl and suffered dearly for it growing up. I have always acted and had the same manorisms since I can remember, I just simply chnaged the physical apperance to fit my actions, behavior, and mind.

Was it my choice to be taunted, bullied, and abused by other kids fromt he time I was five years old for being so feminine and living with that abuse until I was 16? NO

Was it my choice to have been beaten up by a gang when I was 18 for appearing to feminine? NO. I was beaten up, my skull cracked and was called a fag all the way through it. That is a HATE crime.

I was simply born a way that I could not hide or change, it's just who I am and trust me I have paid the price for it. I am a lucky one that I was able to transtion which indeed has been a blessing as far I am much more happier but that does not mean that I still can't face discrimination and social stigma.

Are you really suggesting that violence towards transsexuals does not exists in our society today?

Maybe you have never seen a transseuxal woman hung in public, tarred and feather but I am sure you are very well aware that transsexuals are indeed STILL murdered (in public) sometimes as the case of Lateisha Green, was shot and killed by Dwight DeLee in Syracuse, NY in 2008 because she was a ts.

What about Leslie Mora, who was attacked by two men in Queens this summer as she was going home. They beat her with a belt right on the street as they called her 'faggot, left hr bloody and cowering on the floor' until a car stopped and helped her.

What about Carmella Etienne who was simply walking on the street a few days later in Queens also ,when two men began to assult her throwing bottles and rocks at her? And when she threatned to call he police
"One of the two men responded, "The police don't care about you, they won't do anything to us," and began to pelt her with bottles. Another shouted at her, "Don't ever walk that block anymore or we will slash your throat."


As you can't change your skin color, I can't change my gender and who I am.

So please- as you are educated in the the history of the plight for equality of blacks in this country-you should become a little more educated on LGBT issues and what WE have gone through and go through still.

It's definately not the same struggle, nor am I comparing it- BUT it is a struggle- LGBT people are one of the most marginalized groups in this country with lesser rights than any other citezens in this country.

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Nicole, my big tit Sicilian baby, did the woman in pink need to mace the kid? Was he a threat?

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"Need" is a hard to define word. What do you "need" to do?

But, if I have answer your ambiguous question, "YES" my anonymous African American brother. That fat little fuck had no business even standing up and coming anywhere NEAR that transsexual. So, kid or adult, it doesn't matter. If it was Gary Coleman pulling this shit, we'd all be saying he asked for it. The point is, they were all menacing her and felt the "need" to "make" her feel threatened. Once human beings watch a mother become violent with her own children, as she relentlessly antagonizes someone minding their own business, you've put that person in a fucked up position. Don't expect indifference.

I cant believe she actually tried to compare the two. Many of my family members are in the ground because of the "color" of their skin.

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I cant believe she actually tried to compare the two. Many of my family members are in the ground because of the "color" of their skin.

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And so are some of my friends.

And I WASNT COMPARING.
Julie was

I was not standing for the minimalizing the prejudice and violence we face as lgbt people.

Get it right.

Quickly to roll your eyes at my experiences and those others who have been victims of hate crimes.-and you claim to have people you know lost their lives as hate crimes? Then you have learned nothing.

Well perhaps in some people minds killing a fag, is a lesser than killing a black or a jew. Do the math

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I cant believe she actually tried to compare the two. Many of my family members are in the ground because of the "color" of their skin.

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Seriously, do you think the victims we've mourned are going to play second fiddle in our hearts to the ones you have? Are you saying that racial hate crimes are less OK than other types of bigoted hate crimes?

Again, some of you want to "out-victim" the LGBT community, which is extremely offensive. I see MY people in the hospital and sadly visit THEIR cemetery plots. I don't expect you to. You can't even show your face on a forum.

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I cant believe she actually tried to compare the two. Many of my family members are in the ground because of the "color" of their skin.

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And so are some of my friends.

And I WASNT COMPARING.
Julie was

I was not standing for the minimalizing the prejudice and violence we face as lgbt people.

Get it right.

Quickly to roll your eyes at my experiences and those others who have been victims of hate crimes.-and you claim to have people you know lost their lives as hate crimes? Then you have learned nothing.

Well perhaps in some people minds killing a fag, is a lesser than killing a black or a jew. Do the math

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Well, Jesus 'did the math' some two thousand years ago. He said something like "That which you do to the least of my brethren, you do unto me". I would hope that no one is really minimizing hate crimes, any hate crimes. The contest is not about who was treated worse; its about who can treat the most people with fairness and dignity. It also says somewhere in the Bible to, not judge people by appearances. Both Blacks and LBGT people have been often judged by appearances. Sometimes people are judged because of someone elses appearance or behavior in the same community.

And if you look at; not treating people with dignity was the cause of the whole incident. And it was also the result of the incident, i.e. an assault.

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The discrimination transsexuals deal with is far worse than it ever was for gay, blacks and whatever others.

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You have got to be fucking kidding me right?

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't taken from there home, loaded on a ship, and sent to a far off place to be slaves.

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't forced to work on plantations picking cotton against there will.

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't sprayed with fire hoses or had attack dogs sicked on them.

Last time I checked transsexuals could drink from public drinking fountains.

Last time I checked transsexuals could vote.

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't lynched on a daily basis.

Last time I checked transsexuals........................... ETC

I am not saying transsexuals have it easy but HOLY TAP-DANCING CHRIST!

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CO-SIGN CO-SIGN CO-SIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats actually fucking insulting to what my people suffered thru and survived. To compare the gay rights struggle to all of the above is probably the dumbest shit I've EVER read in my life. I'm very serious. Its not even close.

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I am not comparing the two, but if you know the history of gay and trans people- we have been put through plenty of shit throughout history as well.

The Nazis killed hundreds of thousands of gays in concentration camps,
in this country until just a few decades ago you go be jailed, beaten, harrased for going to a gay bar or dressing like a woman- something that became legal in NYC just in the late 60's. Throughout American history there have been many political movements set out to opress LGBT people(which are still going on heavily). Trans women face a a multitude of discriminations in today's society both socialy and economically and trans people are still being killed for being trans people. And to be fair, the African American community, as stated by the President himself, has been less than kind and accepting of LGBT people as well on many occassions- something that I don't understand considering what black people have faced in the US.

While it's impossible to compare the two situations, please don't minimilaze the fact that gays and trans people have been persucted in this heavily country and still are. Please don't minimize that or state that the stuggles that trans women face are somehow trivial.

This video clip in fact is a great example of what some ts women face all the time.

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My comments really were directed at Julie and not yourself. You didn't make the stupid ass statement, she did. But since you chimed in, let me give you one more reason you should never compare what blacks have gone thru to what gays have. We were born this way. We can't change our skin color. Transitioning is a choice. Say what you will but society will always see it as a choice. I've never seen a trannie hung in public, tarred and feathered, for their choice.

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You have got to be kidding with your ignorant and simplistic statements?

First, someone who is part of this community should very well know that transitioning is absolutely NOT a choice. By saying so, you are adding to the ignorant social stigma that exist by those who have no understanding of what this gender is, and I assume you have some sort of understanding\? I was born this way- I HAD NO CHOICE. If I had not done this I would most like be DEAD by now. I had absolutely no choice in the way that I was born- how effiminate I was and how I naturally acted like a girl and suffered dearly for it growing up. I have always acted and had the same manorisms since I can remember, I just simply chnaged the physical apperance to fit my actions, behavior, and mind.

Was it my choice to be taunted, bullied, and abused by other kids fromt he time I was five years old for being so feminine and living with that abuse until I was 16? NO

Was it my choice to have been beaten up by a gang when I was 18 for appearing to feminine? NO. I was beaten up, my skull cracked and was called a fag all the way through it. That is a HATE crime.

I was simply born a way that I could not hide or change, it's just who I am and trust me I have paid the price for it. I am a lucky one that I was able to transtion which indeed has been a blessing as far I am much more happier but that does not mean that I still can't face discrimination and social stigma.

Are you really suggesting that violence towards transsexuals does not exists in our society today?

Maybe you have never seen a transseuxal woman hung in public, tarred and feather but I am sure you are very well aware that transsexuals are indeed STILL murdered (in public) sometimes as the case of Lateisha Green, was shot and killed by Dwight DeLee in Syracuse, NY in 2008 because she was a ts.

What about Leslie Mora, who was attacked by two men in Queens this summer as she was going home. They beat her with a belt right on the street as they called her 'faggot, left hr bloody and cowering on the floor' until a car stopped and helped her.

What about Carmella Etienne who was simply walking on the street a few days later in Queens also ,when two men began to assult her throwing bottles and rocks at her? And when she threatned to call he police
"One of the two men responded, "The police don't care about you, they won't do anything to us," and began to pelt her with bottles. Another shouted at her, "Don't ever walk that block anymore or we will slash your throat."


As you can't change your skin color, I can't change my gender and who I am.

So please- as you are educated in the the history of the plight for equality of blacks in this country-you should become a little more educated on LGBT issues and what WE have gone through and go through still.

It's definately not the same struggle, nor am I comparing it- BUT it is a struggle- LGBT people are one of the most marginalized groups in this country with lesser rights than any other citezens in this country.

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Allanah, you missed something very important that I said. I said SOCIETY WILL ALWAYS LOOK AT TRANSITIONING AS A CHOICE! Personally, I hope someone turns that tape over to the police and they go looking to arrest that trannie. If a cop was present, she would be in jail. And no cop is gonna tell that mother her kids got what they deserved. But I'm not surprised at some of the fucking human sewage on this forum that subscribes to that point of view. Some shit just dont change.

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And if you look at; not treating people with dignity was the cause of the whole incident. And it was also the result of the incident, i.e. an assault.

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Thank you. That situation seemed destined to get worse before it could get any better. Imho, getting pepper sprayed was a far better wind-up than any kind of genuine tragedy. But unfortunately, that little boy is likely to take more lumps from his brain-dead "mother" in the future than getting maced on a train. Nevermind the fact that the bitch lacked enough maternal instinct and strength of character to give him some love or guidance, which might've prevented any of it from happening in the first place.

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Allanah, you missed something very important that I said. I said SOCIETY WILL ALWAYS LOOK AT TRANSITIONING AS A CHOICE! Personally, I hope someone turns that tape over to the police and they go looking to arrest that trannie. If a cop was present, she would be in jail. And no cop is gonna tell that mother her kids got what they deserved. But I'm not surprised at some of the fucking human sewage on this forum that subscribes to that point of view. Some shit just dont change.

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"SOCIETY WILL ALWAYS LOOK AT TRANSITIONING AS A CHOICE", or you will? Sounds like you think so too, or you just lack the conviction to stand up against both types of injustice.

Now seriously, wtf do you care if that tranny gets caught? Sounds like you need some bigger shit to worry about. The whole situation was unfortunate. Why hope it gets any worse? Do you honestly think that the TS is going to look for more families to mace? Bitch, please. :roll:

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Allanah, you missed something very important that I said. I said SOCIETY WILL ALWAYS LOOK AT TRANSITIONING AS A CHOICE! Personally, I hope someone turns that tape over to the police and they go looking to arrest that trannie. If a cop was present, she would be in jail. And no cop is gonna tell that mother her kids got what they deserved. But I'm not surprised at some of the fucking human sewage on this forum that subscribes to that point of view. Some shit just dont change.

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"SOCIETY WILL ALWAYS LOOK AT TRANSITIONING AS A CHOICE", or you will? Sounds like you think so too, or you just lack the conviction to stand up against both types of injustice.

Now seriously, wtf do you care if that tranny gets caught? Sounds like you need some bigger shit to worry about. The whole situation was unfortunate. Why hope it gets any worse? Do you honestly think that the TS is going to look for more families to mace? Bitch, please. :roll:

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But I'm not surprised at some of the fucking human sewage on this forum that subscribes to that point of view. Some shit just dont change.

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Although the woman was wrong for using the pepper, kids do have to taught that it is not wise to mess with strangers.

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Agreed, though I would have put it somewhat differently. Even if it were perfectly safe for kids to be rude to strangers, that doesn't mean they should. Not being rude is a moral/ethics issue as much as its a safety issue.

So to sum that part up: Parenting attempt fail.

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And comparing the gay rights struggle to the public lynchings that my people suffered is totally assinine. Hara thank you for having some common sense.

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There is a big thing that makes the plight of black people throughout American history worse than the plight of trans people in American history.

I'm thinking of a seven letter word that starts with S.

You just can't compare the two because of the whole slavery thing. That is a huge difference, and one that cannot be ignored. If someone can show me an instance of trans people being rounded up by the hundreds, put on ships, and then sent to countries to be put to manual farming labor I'll reconsider my view on the subject. Coming from a family that owned slaves, I know exactly what that institution entailed and am not about to say that a group "had it worse than that" just because of all the commonalities as far as violence, discrimination, and stigmatization are concerned.

I disagree with your lynching example. Lynching is when a mob attacks someone and kills them without using a trial to ascertain whether or not they committed a crime. Using that definition trans people have been, and still are lynched in America from time to time. As common as blacks had it? No, but there's also a 14 fold population difference here. Blacks represent 13-14% of the population versus 1-2% for trans people. Yet even with this massive difference in population, it would be easier to find examples of trans lynchings within the last 15 years, then black lynchings- except perhaps cases where the victim is both. There are commonalities as far as violence & discrimination are concerned... and in the case of the later, discrimination against race was (on paper) outlawed way before it was against gender identity (which is still largely legal in the United States, to say nothing of the world).

NONETHELESS, this whole "who had it worse" crap is:
1- counter productive. Do we really want to bring race debates into trans issues when being trans does not care what color your skin is?
2- a red herring. Really, has nothing to do with what happened in that train.

At the end of the day this parent, and I do use that term loosely here, was incapable of raising her kids to be polite, productive members of society. You simply don't allow your kids to go around insulting strangers... and this girl was criminally out of line in macing a KID who posed no threat. Whether we are sympathetic to the girl in the video or not, she shouldn't have maced the kid.

Macing a kid, I bet he's really proud of himself for doing that. I hope they find him and will press charges against him.

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I cant believe she actually tried to compare the two. Many of my family members are in the ground because of the "color" of their skin.

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Seriously, do you think the victims we've mourned are going to play second fiddle in our hearts to the ones you have? Are you saying that racial hate crimes are less OK than other types of bigoted hate crimes?

Again, some of you want to "out-victim" the LGBT community, which is extremely offensive. I see MY people in the hospital and sadly visit THEIR cemetery plots. I don't expect you to. You can't even show your face on a forum.

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Ive sent my pictures to many women on here. Ask around dear

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But I'm not surprised at some of the fucking human sewage on this forum that subscribes to that point of view. Some shit just dont change.

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"Subscribes" to what point of view? One you can't comprehend? Yeah, you're "keeping it real" alright. "Real" stupid. Great response, brainiac.

Now I KNOW that you think transitioning and being gay is like choosing an elective in college. I would never argue for a second that black people have not been persecuted and shit on, probably more than any other racial demographic in recorded history. But you seem to think that you can cloud the issue here and you can't. When any of us can be victimized over something superficial, we can ALL be victimized. But anyone who has a need to use a politician who won the election as their avatar is probably a knee-jerk moron. You're no better than Belial, who felt the need to hijack a thread with the opposing viewpoint to yours. No matter what, the trannies had to shit it up to satisfy BOTH of your retarded asses. Well, sorry if the transsexuals here are not making you the poster child for discrimination on a TS forum. In addition, you're certainly no Dr Martin Luther King OR Obama. You're a broken record. If you want to dwell on race, you're on the wrong forum. On here, as long as they have a cock and are girls, that's what the criteria is. They can be green, and somebody would jerk off. I mean, there's already a few "Black Tgirl only" threads. And the video in question was a black on black "crime". So can you drop it now, Al Sharpton? Good fucking LORD!

So now where are you off to? A gay Jewish forum? An Asian lesbian forum? Dumbass. :roll:

10 Fucking pages of this bullshit are you kidding me..?? Do any of you live in LA or ridden the LA transit system here..??? Prob not so heres my 2 cents... This is nothing new...its one of the reasons i dread taking the subway here in LA or through any minority neighborhood because this type of behavior is rather standard fare. I cant tell you how many times I've seen Tg women disrespected on the train going to Hollywood for no reason other than who they are. & while i cant condone maceing da kid I totally understand...The minority youth in LA are beyond outta control & their parents tend to be no better with very lil respect for just about anyone or thing. Truth is she probably should have maced the mom instead. People are always saying it takes a village to raise children..well there you go.. A village member laying da smack down sort of speak....

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Ive sent my pictures to many women on here. Ask around dear

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And I care because... ?

Join the club. The point was, if you want to make race paramount on a TS forum, you should be able to do better than hide your looks. Obviously, both transsexuals and people of color suffer discrimination. Is your discrimination more important than mine? Not to me, it's not. Slavery is over. Being gay is practically vanilla. But transsexuals are still struggling for the same rights as both gay AND black people, and that's fucking pathetic.

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10 Fucking pages of this bullshit are you kidding me..?? Do any of you live in LA or ridden the LA transit system here..??? Prob not so heres my 2 cents... This is nothing new...its one of the reasons i dread taking the subway here in LA or through any minority neighborhood because this type of behavior is rather standard fare. I cant tell you how many times I've seen Tg women disrespected on the train going to Hollywood for no reason other than who they are. & while i cant condone maceing da kid I totally understand...The minority youth in LA are beyond outta control & their parents tend to be no better with very lil respect for just about anyone or thing. Truth is she probably should have maced the mom instead. People are always saying it takes a village to raise children..well there you go.. A village member laying da smack down sort of speak....

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Macing a kid, I bet he's really proud of himself for doing that. I hope they find him and will press charges against him.

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What was that, you big drama queen WOMAN? "He"? "Him"?

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But I'm not surprised at some of the fucking human sewage on this forum that subscribes to that point of view. Some shit just dont change.

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"Subscribes" to what point of view? One you can't comprehend? Yeah, you're "keeping it real" alright. "Real" stupid. Great response, brainiac.

Now I KNOW that you think transitioning and being gay is like choosing an elective in college. I would never argue for a second that black people have not been persecuted and shit on, probably more than any other racial demographic in recorded history. But you seem to think that you can cloud the issue here and you can't. When any of us can be victimized over something superficial, we can ALL be victimized. But anyone who has a need to use a politician who won the election as their avatar is probably a knee-jerk moron. You're no better than Belial, who felt the need to hijack a thread with the opposing viewpoint to yours. No matter what, the trannies had to shit it up to satisfy BOTH of your retarded asses. Well, sorry if the transsexuals here are not making you the poster child for discrimination on a TS forum. In addition, you're certainly no Dr Martin Luther King OR Obama. You're a broken record. If you want to dwell on race, you're on the wrong forum. On here, as long as they have a cock and are girls, that's what the criteria is. They can be green, and somebody would jerk off. I mean, there's already a few "Black Tgirl only" threads. And the video in question was a black on black "crime". So can you drop it now, Al Sharpton? Good fucking LORD!

So now where are you off to? A gay Jewish forum? An Asian lesbian forum? Dumbass. :roll:

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For the last time, But I'm not surprised at some of the fucking human sewage on this forum. THIS MEANS YOU!!!!!! I see you havent changed. Watch what you say to me out that sewer filled mouth. Jersey aint that far from me.

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But I'm not surprised at some of the fucking human sewage on this forum that subscribes to that point of view. Some shit just dont change.

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"Subscribes" to what point of view? One you can't comprehend? Yeah, you're "keeping it real" alright. "Real" stupid. Great response, brainiac.

Now I KNOW that you think transitioning and being gay is like choosing an elective in college. I would never argue for a second that black people have not been persecuted and shit on, probably more than any other racial demographic in recorded history. But you seem to think that you can cloud the issue here and you can't. When any of us can be victimized over something superficial, we can ALL be victimized. But anyone who has a need to use a politician who won the election as their avatar is probably a knee-jerk moron. You're no better than Belial, who felt the need to hijack a thread with the opposing viewpoint to yours. No matter what, the trannies had to shit it up to satisfy BOTH of your retarded asses. Well, sorry if the transsexuals here are not making you the poster child for discrimination on a TS forum. In addition, you're certainly no Dr Martin Luther King OR Obama. You're a broken record. If you want to dwell on race, you're on the wrong forum. On here, as long as they have a cock and are girls, that's what the criteria is. They can be green, and somebody would jerk off. I mean, there's already a few "Black Tgirl only" threads. And the video in question was a black on black "crime". So can you drop it now, Al Sharpton? Good fucking LORD!

So now where are you off to? A gay Jewish forum? An Asian lesbian forum? Dumbass. :roll:

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For the last time, But I'm not surprised at some of the fucking human sewage on this forum. THIS MEANS YOU!!!!!! I see you havent changed. Watch what you say to me out that sewer filled mouth. Jersey aint that far from me.


"Personally, I hope someone turns that tape over to the police and they go looking to arrest that trannie."

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Speaking of human sewage..when did you seep back in?
Nice to see you're a law and order kinda guy ..when it suits your purpose...but it's okay to maked thinly veiled physical threats against a girl.Punk-ass.

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Being obnoxious is not a crime. Macing someone who poses no threat is a crime. Get a clue. I dare you to state what the woman did was legal.

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So, Legend, are you saying that an adult has the right to mace a kid who is being obnoxious? Yes or no?

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Depends on the situation, if you have some kid who is out of control and won't listen to any adult then mace is probably the best thing to subdo the monster without having to use real force.Now in that video i would have told that little kid to be quiet but i wouldn't have maced him but that little shit kept messing with her, so she did some parenting of her own.Bottomline, you don't mess with people you don't know, that goes for kids and adults.

keepingitreal470 (yeah...right) yelps:

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Watch what you say to me out that sewer filled mouth. Jersey aint that far from me.

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Which backed up sewer did you just crawl out of you two bit squirt of sleazy slime?! Get your fucking threats off this board!!

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What was that, you big drama queen WOMAN? "He"? "Him"?

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That 'thing' wasn't a woman, that's for sure!

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you don't mess with people you don't know, that goes for kids and adults.

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Yeah and when you do idiots have the right to mace you right?

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you don't mess with people you don't know, that goes for kids and adults.

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Yeah and when you do idiots have the right to mace you right?

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If you see a rattlesnake shake it's rattle at you, what the hell are you going to do stand there and keep messing with it?

You don't know what people are going through in their day to day life, i'm sure she didn't look at that monster as a kid because he was talking like a smartass adult.I'm sorry but the don't mess with anyone rule applies to everyone.

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If you see a rattlesnake shake it's rattle at you, what the hell are you going to do stand there and keep messing with it?

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Common sense is sadly not that common...

But there is quite a difference between understandable and acceptable behavior. Mace was over the top, not that much, but over.

lol

lmao...

I really don't see much of a difference between the transvestite and the kid's mother. They look pretty much the same.

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For the last time, But I'm not surprised at some of the fucking human sewage on this forum. THIS MEANS YOU!!!!!! I see you havent changed. Watch what you say to me out that sewer filled mouth. Jersey aint that far from me.

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Hey, if it isn't our old resident expert on human sewage, Echimandu. And of course, the reason why you're such an expert is that you're the biggest mound of human compost on the planet. So which one of your multiple personalities are you today? Did you just get released from jail recently? How many guys in the joint made you their bitch? I'm guessing you got passed around more than gonorrhea in there.

I think the reason why you're so pissy is that clip reminds you so much of your "upbringing". Too bad some random stranger didn't mace you in the face back then, you might actually have turned out into a useful member of society. So keep on keeping on Keepingitrealfaggy.

pretty crappy mace took forever to kick in and the guy sitting right behind them just calmly walked out like nothing happened. should buy some pepper spray that would clear out the whole train

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Yeah and when you do idiots have the right to mace you right?

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If you see a rattlesnake shake it's rattle at you, what the hell are you going to do stand there and keep messing with it?

You don't know what people are going through in their day to day life, i'm sure she didn't look at that monster as a kid because he was talking like a smartass adult.I'm sorry but the don't mess with anyone rule applies to everyone.

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At least in the "rattlesnake" situation, you can predict what's going to happen if you keep fucking with it. Provoking a person like that , you just don't know WHAT they're gonna do! This could have escalated into something much worse than a simple macing.

A rather large and, let's be honest, unusual looking person steps onto a big city subway after dark, provoking them is probably a not a good idea. The kids in this sitch certainly looked big and old enough to know better.

The fact that they kept pushing anyway is a reflection of some very poor parenting, IMO. Some people just shouldn't have had kids in the first place! :smh

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The discrimination transsexuals deal with is far worse than it ever was for gay, blacks and whatever others.

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You have got to be fucking kidding me right?

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't taken from there home, loaded on a ship, and sent to a far off place to be slaves.

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't forced to work on plantations picking cotton against there will.

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't sprayed with fire hoses or had attack dogs sicked on them.

Last time I checked transsexuals could drink from public drinking fountains.

Last time I checked transsexuals could vote.

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't lynched on a daily basis.

Last time I checked transsexuals........................... ETC

I am not saying transsexuals have it easy but HOLY TAP-DANCING CHRIST!

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CO-SIGN CO-SIGN CO-SIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats actually fucking insulting to what my people suffered thru and survived. To compare the gay rights struggle to all of the above is probably the dumbest shit I've EVER read in my life. I'm very serious. Its not even close.

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I am not comparing the two, but if you know the history of gay and trans people- we have been put through plenty of shit throughout history as well.

The Nazis killed hundreds of thousands of gays in concentration camps,
in this country until just a few decades ago you go be jailed, beaten, harrased for going to a gay bar or dressing like a woman- something that became legal in NYC just in the late 60's. Throughout American history there have been many political movements set out to opress LGBT people(which are still going on heavily). Trans women face a a multitude of discriminations in today's society both socialy and economically and trans people are still being killed for being trans people. And to be fair, the African American community, as stated by the President himself, has been less than kind and accepting of LGBT people as well on many occassions- something that I don't understand considering what black people have faced in the US.

While it's impossible to compare the two situations, please don't minimilaze the fact that gays and trans people have been persucted in this heavily country and still are. Please don't minimize that or state that the stuggles that trans women face are somehow trivial.

This video clip in fact is a great example of what some ts women face all the time.

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My comments really were directed at Julie and not yourself. You didn't make the stupid ass statement, she did. But since you chimed in, let me give you one more reason you should never compare what blacks have gone thru to what gays have. We were born this way. We can't change our skin color. Transitioning is a choice. Say what you will but society will always see it as a choice. I've never seen a trannie hung in public, tarred and feathered, for their choice.

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Ohh your a fucking fool, being transsexual is not a choice. Before your on the hunt for tranny cock I would think you would know a thing or two about them.

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You have got to be fucking kidding me right?

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't taken from there home, loaded on a ship, and sent to a far off place to be slaves.

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't forced to work on plantations picking cotton against there will.

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't sprayed with fire hoses or had attack dogs sicked on them.

Last time I checked transsexuals could drink from public drinking fountains.

Last time I checked transsexuals could vote.

Last time I checked transsexuals weren't lynched on a daily basis.

Last time I checked transsexuals........................... ETC

I am not saying transsexuals have it easy but HOLY TAP-DANCING CHRIST!

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CO-SIGN CO-SIGN CO-SIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats actually fucking insulting to what my people suffered thru and survived. To compare the gay rights struggle to all of the above is probably the dumbest shit I've EVER read in my life. I'm very serious. Its not even close.

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I am not comparing the two, but if you know the history of gay and trans people- we have been put through plenty of shit throughout history as well.

The Nazis killed hundreds of thousands of gays in concentration camps,
in this country until just a few decades ago you go be jailed, beaten, harrased for going to a gay bar or dressing like a woman- something that became legal in NYC just in the late 60's. Throughout American history there have been many political movements set out to opress LGBT people(which are still going on heavily). Trans women face a a multitude of discriminations in today's society both socialy and economically and trans people are still being killed for being trans people. And to be fair, the African American community, as stated by the President himself, has been less than kind and accepting of LGBT people as well on many occassions- something that I don't understand considering what black people have faced in the US.

While it's impossible to compare the two situations, please don't minimilaze the fact that gays and trans people have been persucted in this heavily country and still are. Please don't minimize that or state that the stuggles that trans women face are somehow trivial.

This video clip in fact is a great example of what some ts women face all the time.

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Thank you, you said it better than I did lol.

for the others......I wasn’t trying compare and assumed people would understand what I was trying to say. It seems many of the girls here somewhat understand the point I was trying to make, so let me explain it better for the slower of the bunch.

We as transsexuals are not even seen as people we are seen as perverts. Most can’t find jobs, relationships and are disconnected from their family. They are forced to suck cocks and fuck fat old men in their dirty asses in order to eat. There is no community it’s all shade most of the time. This can vary from girl to girl but this is the situation for most, and I bet this is the situation for the girl on the train.

Someone said something about picking cotton, I doubt that tranny on the train could even get a job doing that. Blacks in 1850 were able to find strength in their community, transsexuals in 2009 can’t find that. Blacks in 1850 married and had children; in 2009 transsexuals seldom have that.

I am not trying to make a comparison, all minorities have had their struggles and the hate endured was parallel, but the one thing that separates us from many minorities is the simple things in life, love, relationships, family and community…..many of us don’t have those things, but the blacks, Jews and other minorities did. Complied with all that we have a disconnect in gender, and the inner turmoil is something that cannot be explained in words. It is a given for most people and something they don’t even think about.

Truth is many transsexuals live lonely unhappy lives and die from hate crimes, suicide and some from aids.

here is an example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yrw-J0rQkc