Are Asian and Hispanic Transsexuals the Most Racist?

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Originally Posted by ARMANIXXX

Many times it is RACIAL DISCRIMINATION that causes some of these "minority" girls to refuse service to black men.

Why?

One reason is many of the Hispanic and Asian (non pacific islander) girls are immigrants, both legal and illegal, themselves. As has been described to me, the media that they show on television in their own countries, in similar fashion to much of the media here in America, they show black people committing crimes, in jail, homeless, poor and destitute, and on Flava Flav.

So when I piece that information with the information of the educational status (lack of) in their countries, and it doesn't surprise me that many Asians and many Hispanics (especially Mexicans) do not like black people all that much, even though, in many cases, they've never even met one.

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Well said Armani. And as a black man, I personally am repulsed by asian trannies. Most of them look like fucking men to me. So it never bothers me that they don't like black men.

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Originally Posted by josue

Natassia dream doesnt like black men either

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No big loss on my end. She never did anything for me anyway. Doesn't turn me on in the least.

I would really be interested to know what people actually know about the inferences they have made about cultures other than their own.

So immigrants and foreigners are supposed to not have preconceived notions, but some people feel they are justified to have their predisposed opinions about them and where the come from?

Discrimination comes in many forms, and part of moving in a positive direction is looking inward and realizing that many of you are just as racist as others if not more but don't admit it to yourself. Until you have lived someplace for an extended period of time, dealt with the same situations as a person and suffered the same discriminations you have no room to comment on another's perspective.

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Originally Posted by ShadowMaster

What's the difference between preference and racism?

Preference- is having a strong affinity for a particular quality
Racism/Bigotry- is having a preconceived negative emotion towards someone or group based off a physical attribute whether it be skin tone, weight, etc.
Do the ladies have the right to choose who they will and will not interact with? Absolutely especially due to the interpersonal interaction required for the profession.

I think what hurts most who are victims is that someone is passively accusing you of something. The person is assuming that I'm a thief or whatever ill-thing that haunts their nightmares. Unfortunately there is nothing you can do about it except abstain from that particular provider's services. This is not like going to McDonalds and the Klansmen at the counter won't accept your cash. If you could make this provider service you would you really want it? You need to remember who you are and no one's ill-conceived notions can change that. Bottomline they're not worth your time.

If a black person refuses to service another (whatever enterprise) black person simply for being black is that racism? Yes, it's called interracism and it happens to. I think that form hurts more than any other because it makes you wonder how that person inherently perceives his or herself. But you can't save somebody from their own personal demons. More than likely that person has interpersonal issues. A person can like White/Latino/Asian guys without hating black guys. When you hold animosity towards a stranger for something they haven't done to your knowledge that's a whole different thing.

As far as dating slugs. I think everybody should do a little self-analysis on that one. I've seen females date the same type of assholes over and over again yet were continually shocked that the dude was a bastard. If you have a pattern of dating such dregs then I think the solution is to look inward. I hypothesize the female in question fell in love with a thug some time ago but it didn't work out. However she never flushed her system so she keeps picking up these dudes reliving the same pattern attempting to fix them. She wanted her previous lover to be something he was not and she failed to accept it. Or she doesn't think very highly of herself so she subconsciously seeks out dudes to reinforce her sense of poor self-image. You only get what you think you deserve. The vast majority of the time someone was a piece shit they subtle or not so subtle things to let you know what kind of person they truly were. The question is did you ignore and hope it would get better instead of accepting the truth and kicking them to the curb like any good bag of trash?

For those being fairly being scrutinized, don't poison your own soul by hating them because your energy could be better spent loving someone else.

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Yeah, that says it all. Some girls operate under preference, some are flat out racist. Just because you get fucked over by a memeber of a certain race doesn't mean that all of them will do the same. It also doesn't mean a member of the white race won't do it too. Ask Danielle Foxx. So what some girls do is generalize an entire race from a couple of bad experiences. And that my friends is RACISM.

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Originally Posted by trannybanger

I would really be interested to know what people actually know about the inferences they have made about cultures other than their own.

So immigrants and foreigners are supposed to not have preconceived notions, but some people feel they are justified to have their predisposed opinions about them and where the come from?
Discrimination comes in many forms, and part of moving in a positive direction is looking inward and realizing that many of you are just as racist as others if not more but don't admit it to yourself. Until you have lived someplace for an extended period of time, dealt with the same situations as a person and suffered the same discriminations you have no room to comment on another's perspective.

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Dude, I used to live in LA. I never had any preconceived notions about mexicans. i treated them like brothers. But came to find out that they loathe blacks. Now today, I generally hate fucking mexicans, but I know there are a few cool ones around. Just like any other race.

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Originally Posted by JANIRA

I have noticed many of the girls I know tend to not see Black or Hispanic men who request their services.. Their belief is that they tend to give problems , will try and cheat you, and get violent...etc.... Honestly as a Tgirl, and a Hispanic one at that,, i find it "TOTALLY RIDICULOUS" They think that the Black & Hispanic men will cause problems , but cacuasian men won't...?? Please!!!!......lol ...God forbid but any race can be just as problamatic, what makes Caucasian men so much better than the other races,,, The fact that they might have money, and have a high paying job and have class, be well mannered..... " Black & Hispanic men do to..".
I mean i have had strange experiances with all races it does not mean i completely rule them out just cause that happen, i just got to be more alert.


Well having said that now onto the topic about dating or having a LTR with a Black or Hispanic men... yes i would actually most definitally would. I dont see color when it comes to matters of the heart i see how the person makes me feel, if there is a strong chemistry, attraction, if he is honest, and most important he does not care what others think.


Just my 5cents....

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Originally Posted by antiasskisser

Dude, I used to live in LA. I never had any preconceived notions about mexicans. i treated them like brothers. But came to find out that they loathe blacks. Now today, I generally hate fucking mexicans, but I know there are a few cool ones around. Just like any other race.

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can we count the generalizations in this statement here??

and plenty of us have lived in L.A., and it is not Mexico

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Originally Posted by trannybanger

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Originally Posted by antiasskisser

Dude, I used to live in LA. I never had any preconceived notions about mexicans. i treated them like brothers. But came to find out that they loathe blacks. Now today, I generally hate fucking mexicans, but I know there are a few cool ones around. Just like any other race.

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can we count the generalizations in this statement here??

and plenty of us have lived in L.A., and it is not Mexico

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POINT IS, THEY GENERALIZED ME. I WAS OPEN TO TREATING THEM FAIRLY AND WITH RESPECT AND THEY PRETTY MUCH SHOWED ME HOW THEY FELT ABOUT BLACKS. ARE YOU BLACK? MUST NOT BE CAUSE IF YOU WERE AND LIVED IN A HEAVILY POPULATED MEXICAN AREA, YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT I WAS SAYING. WALK IN THE SHOES BEFORE YOU CRITISIZE WHAT SOMEONE SAYS.

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Originally Posted by antiasskisser

POINT IS, THEY GENERALIZED ME. I WAS OPEN TO TREATING THEM FAIRLY AND WITH RESPECT AND THEY PRETTY MUCH SHOWED ME HOW THEY FELT ABOUT BLACKS. ARE YOU BLACK? MUST NOT BE CAUSE IF YOU WERE AND LIVED IN A HEAVILY POPULATED MEXICAN AREA, YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT I WAS SAYING. WALK IN THE SHOES BEFORE YOU CRITISIZE WHAT SOMEONE SAYS.

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Open to treating them fairly? How nobel of you.

An entire nation showed YOU how they feel as a whole about blacks? I am sure they are united on their sentiments as much as everyone in this country.


You have no idea, no matter how you choose to generalize, whether I am black or not. It is irrelevant anyhow. I said to walk in someone's shoes,...

YOU said: "And as a black man, I personally am repulsed by asian trannies. Most of them look like fucking men to me. So it never bothers me that they don't like black men." As well as your kind comments about Natassia Dreams. So you have made rude racist remarks about numerous types already.


Now really, could you be anymore of a fucking bigot?

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Originally Posted by trannybanger

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Originally Posted by antiasskisser

POINT IS, THEY GENERALIZED ME. I WAS OPEN TO TREATING THEM FAIRLY AND WITH RESPECT AND THEY PRETTY MUCH SHOWED ME HOW THEY FELT ABOUT BLACKS. ARE YOU BLACK? MUST NOT BE CAUSE IF YOU WERE AND LIVED IN A HEAVILY POPULATED MEXICAN AREA, YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT I WAS SAYING. WALK IN THE SHOES BEFORE YOU CRITISIZE WHAT SOMEONE SAYS.

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Open to treating them fairly? How nobel of you.

An entire nation showed YOU how they feel as a whole about blacks? I am sure they are united on their sentiments as much as everyone in this country.


You have no idea, no matter how you choose to generalize, whether I am black or not. It is irrelevant anyhow. I said to walk in someone's shoes,...

YOU said: "And as a black man, I personally am repulsed by asian trannies. Most of them look like fucking men to me. So it never bothers me that they don't like black men." As well as your kind comments about Natassia Dreams. So you have made rude racist remarks about numerous types already.


Now really, could you be anymore of a fucking bigot?

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So fucking what!!!!! I say what I feel. I'm not gonna lie. Call it what you want. And I'm sure I could find others that agree with my sentiments also. AND ITS NEVER IRRELEVENT WHETER YOUR BLACK OR NOT. That kind of thinking could get you hurt around certain blacks. Its insulting for you as a non-black to say that our skin color is irrelevent in the way we are treated. Say that shit in the hood and come back with a report. I doubt you make it back.

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Originally Posted by antiasskisser

So fucking what!!!!! I say what I feel. I'm not gonna lie. Call it what you want. And I'm sure I could find others that agree with my sentiments also. AND ITS NEVER IRRELEVENT WHETER YOUR BLACK OR NOT. That kind of thinking could get you hurt around certain blacks. Its insulting for you as a non-black to say that our skin color is irrelevent in the way we are treated. Say that shit in the hood and come back with a report. I doubt you make it back.

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You are obviously brilliant so I will try once more to make it clear to you and then I am done.

First of all, I said it was irrelevant what color my skin was, not your or anyone elses. Apparently you place a level of value on someone's comment based on the color of their skin, I do not. Do you really believe "blacks" in the U.S. are treated that poorly? really have it that bad? Have you been anywhere else in the world? Take a guess at why so many people immigrate to the U.S. regardless of race or gender.

People with your ignorant, close minded bigotry are the problem in society. And your response is you "say what you feel". Priceless.

And for the record I am of mixed race, you have any idea how difficult that can be? You have no idea where I am from, what neighborhood I grew up in or how, so if you actually think you can babble some shit like "say that shit in the hood, and come back with a report, doubt you make it back", are you fucking serious? Watch something other than New Jack City, read a book, and broaden your cultural horizons cause it appears you are seriously lacking.

And the next time you are hanging out with Al Sharpton lamenting about your struggle of a life as a black guy with the world against him, make sure you mention to him how much you like the tranny cock.

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Originally Posted by trannybanger

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Originally Posted by antiasskisser

So fucking what!!!!! I say what I feel. I'm not gonna lie. Call it what you want. And I'm sure I could find others that agree with my sentiments also. AND ITS NEVER IRRELEVENT WHETER YOUR BLACK OR NOT. That kind of thinking could get you hurt around certain blacks. Its insulting for you as a non-black to say that our skin color is irrelevent in the way we are treated. Say that shit in the hood and come back with a report. I doubt you make it back.

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You are obviously brilliant so I will try once more to make it clear to you and then I am done.

First of all, I said it was irrelevant what color my skin was, not your or anyone elses. Apparently you place a level of value on someone's comment based on the color of their skin, I do not. Do you really believe "blacks" in the U.S. are treated that poorly? really have it that bad? Have you been anywhere else in the world? Take a guess at why so many people immigrate to the U.S. regardless of race or gender.

People with your ignorant, close minded bigotry are the problem in society. And your response is you "say what you feel". Priceless.

And for the record I am of mixed race, you have any idea how difficult that can be? You have no idea where I am from, what neighborhood I grew up in or how, so if you actually think you can babble some shit like "say that shit in the hood, and come back with a report, doubt you make it back", are you fucking serious? Watch something other than New Jack City, read a book, and broaden your cultural horizons cause it appears you are seriously lacking.

And the next time you are hanging out with Al Sharpton lamenting about your struggle of a life as a black guy with the world against him, make sure you mention to him how much you like the tranny cock.

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Obama is going to be president and you guys are still crying about racism?? In 2008, there are people walking around with their pants hanging off their ass still blaming their problems on slavery? If a girl doesn't want to sleep with your ass, all of a sudden she is racists? If she is black, then she is another angry black women or one into self hate. Stop making excuses and be a man! Read a fVckin book ... get a clue!! Go listen to Bill Cosby's speech and stop bitchin.

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Originally Posted by unctrld1

I love when I see ads that say "no Black men" or words to that affect. My money, which is green BTW, will stay in my pocket.

It's their loss, not mine.

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Its called choice! She has the right to choose who she lets into her home and provides a service with HER body too. Maybe because of things black men have done to them in life, they just choose not to do busness with them, like I know girls who have been robbed by black men, or girls who were harrassed alot in school or public by black men so now they have to power to choose, they make that decision. And once again some of those girls are BLACK. So if a black ts escort refuses to see a black client, is she racist too??

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Yep, she's a racist

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Yes, I concur.

Self Hate is a MF'er

In defense of Vanessa:

Look. There are not that many judgments a girl needs to make in deciding whether to accept a trick or not. This would be different if she were looking for a boyfriend or a potential partner. The only JUDGMENTS to be made about a potential trick concern his cleanliness, his sanity, his ability and willingness to pay and whether he’s law enforcement. Everything else a girl considers falls under the category of preferences: her preferences. If, for example, I like tumbling in the hay with wonderfully obese men and not with skinny men, that would be a sexual fetish (i.e. a preference) and not a prejudice. Indeed I may have no PREJUDGMENTS concerning lean men. I may realize some are smart and some are stupid. Some are clean and some are filthy. Some are rich and some are poor. Some are great lovers and some are so-so. It may simply be the case that I just don’t want to have sex with bony men. That’s not prejudice, that’s merely catering to one’s own desires, preferences and fetishes even when on the job. I never eat escargot, whether I’m an escort or not. That’s not prejudice against snails. I’ve tried them. I don’t hate them. I can understand why they’re rightly considered a delicacy. But you can’t pay me to eat them either. I’m not going to put them in MY body.

Everyone on these forums knows I’m the first to call out racists and haters. Hostile called me a racist about eight times just last week for defending Obama. But in this case, what you guys don’t see is that it’s not always about YOU. When it comes to our bodies, WE girls decide who’s going to touch it and under what circumstances. You don’t have a voice in that decision.

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Originally Posted by trish

When it comes to our bodies, WE girls decide who’s going to touch it and under what circumstances. You don’t have a voice in that decision.

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Nicely put trish. Short and to the point! ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

Vanessa doesn't know her ass from her elbow. She has rocks for brains. Why would anyone in their right mind want to defend Vanessa?

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Originally Posted by trish

In defense of Vanessa:

Look. There are not that many judgments a girl needs to make in deciding whether to accept a trick or not. This would be different if she were looking for a boyfriend or a potential partner. The only JUDGMENTS to be made about a potential trick concern his cleanliness, his sanity, his ability and willingness to pay and whether he’s law enforcement. Everything else a girl considers falls under the category of preferences: her preferences. If, for example, I like tumbling in the hay with wonderfully obese men and not with skinny men, that would be a sexual fetish (i.e. a preference) and not a prejudice. Indeed I may have no PREJUDGMENTS concerning lean men. I may realize some are smart and some are stupid. Some are clean and some are filthy. Some are rich and some are poor. Some are great lovers and some are so-so. It may simply be the case that I just don’t want to have sex with bony men. That’s not prejudice, that’s merely catering to one’s own desires, preferences and fetishes even when on the job. I never eat escargot, whether I’m an escort or not. That’s not prejudice against snails. I’ve tried them. I don’t hate them. I can understand why they’re rightly considered a delicacy. But you can’t pay me to eat them either. I’m not going to put them in MY body.

Everyone on these forums knows I’m the first to call out racists and haters. Hostile called me a racist about eight times just last week for defending Obama. But in this case, what you guys don’t see is that it’s not always about YOU. When it comes to our bodies, WE girls decide who’s going to touch it and under what circumstances. You don’t have a voice in that decision.

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The whole preference thing is a cop-out if your going to be racist just be upfront with it. You might get some more respect that way but sugar coating it and saying "it's my body,my preference,etc" is a joke. Your acting as if your bodies are temples............ if they really were than.....you know I don't really have to finish the rest.

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Originally Posted by SweedFish21

The whole preference thing is a cop-out if your going to be racist just be upfront with it. You might get some more respect that way but sugar coating it and saying "it's my body,my preference,etc" is a joke. Your acting as if your bodies are temples............ if they really were than.....you know I don't really have to finish the rest.

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isnt someone saying they arent interested when you call ... being up front? :roll:

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Your acting as if your bodies are temples............ if they really were than.....you know I don't really have to finish the rest.

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There's a mysogynist line if ever there was one. :roll: We're not acting as if our bodies were temples, we're just reminding you that they are OUR bodies and WE decide who touches them and under what circumstances. No external moral claims (cries of bigotry and whines of racism) have a voice in those decisions.

I know it's hard for you guys to hear that. For millennia women have been regarded are property and possessions. We aren't temples. But we do belong to ourselves alone.

Another thing I noticed is that 99% of the time I call a "escort" she ask me my race but they never ask me for my height,or my weight, or a picture of me....I guess they have no preference over actual looks....just color :roll:.

This topic has been rehashed time and time again and ends up nowhere,seriously there are far more important issues involving race then this.There seems to be more involvement from members about escorts not seeing them then really important threads about race.

Any decisions based solely on race are racist. Period.

If a black girl doesn't see black guys, yes, that's still racist because it's a decision based solely on race.

Now, this is separate from the issue of "shouldn't girls be able to choose who they see?". My answer is "yes, they should have the right to choose". But if their choice is that they won't see a guy based solely on his race, they can't get away with saying that this isn't a racist decision.

We're all prisoners of our life experiences: a cat sits on a hot stove, it never sits on a hot stove again. It doesn't sit on cold stoves, either. It just avoids the kitchen altogether. A girl has a few bad experiences and it's easy to associate these past bad experiences with any group who those guys might have belonged to. The easiest thing to associate anyone with is their race, because it's visually obvious (to some extent). So, if a girl has a few bad experiences with guys who are of the same race, she might easily associate the behaviour with that race. But it doesn't mean it's real, just a knee jerk reaction. This leads to making racist decisions. And since almost no one wants to label themselves as a racist, they don't want to admit to making racist choices, so they want to say "it's not racist, it's just a preference". But it really is racist and they don't want to be tarred with that label.

Real important threads involving race issues do not generate this much attention,its always the escorts ones.

I remember posting the jena 6 and no one seemed to care about it all that much.

All you girls trying to defend this based on preference and "our bodies" nonsense need to sit down and relax for a few minutes. When you're relaxed, imagine a guy calls you for a date. You ask him what nationality he is. He says he's black. Now...
What's the next thing that goes through your mind? What self-talk do you engage in? Honestly?!

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Originally Posted by El_hefe

Well since no one is honest enough to say it.....I will. Many of the experienced girls feel there is more of a chance that they will be hassled, robbed or hit by dating a young black male.
My ex-girlfriend isn't white, wasn't born in the states with it's fucked up racial attitudes & she told me that this is what she learned after living in NYC & LA.
She was robbed by black guys/girls a couple of times & a lot of verbal, & sometimes physical harassment by them in the bar. Not all black guys, not most black guys, just a consistent pattern from the same demographic that she & most of her friends avoided dealing with them after a while unless they were known friends.
Sorry.

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I have to comment on this.
Its quite unfortunate that the only image SOME WHITE PEOPLE HAVE OF BLACKS is the media and what they see in public.
What they generally see in public is NOT NICE.
I will explain.
Most white and NON-BLACKS generally interact with blacks on public transportation or DMV or McDonalds or some other public venue such as malls and whatnot.
These venues are usually populated by the younger generation of black folks and that is where the problem USUALLY lies.
Their behavior is atrocious.
Im on public transit 6HOURS a day 5 days a week and I am a keen observer.
Black peoples behavior and general demeanor is atrocious!
Loud,always using foul language and LIBERAL use of the "N" word.
You all have been there and know I speak the truth.
I have seen blacks(generally the younger ones 15-30) actually use racist terms toward whites and other non-blacks on bart and some even start fights.
I am on there EVERYDAY and I see great fear in the eyes of whites and others when they see blacks.
I see whites IGNORING deviant behavior that would cause fights anywhere else.
I have a picture on my ipod TAKEN MONDAY of this week of a bummy OLDER black male whose seat of his pants where saturated with his own feces go to the doors connecting one train from another and urinate in full view of everyone and then return to his seat.
What was the worst aspect of this mind bending situatiuon was the white woman siting next to him IGNORING his stench and psycopathic ranting.
Ive witness black engaged in impromptu racist rants against whites on BART while the few blacks on the train(me included) looked at this ignorant foul raised negro like he was out of his fucking mind.......all the while the top echelon whites that work in downtown San Francisco in the towers were silent and as docile as monks!
Imagine the situation reversed!?
There would have been blows thrown!
I wish so many blacks didnt behave like this.
I see it EVERYDAY and i have pictures.
WE AS BLACKS MUST CHANGE!!!
I am a 43 year old intelligent black man who has never been in the system and take care of myself and DONT engage in antisocial behavior.
Stop blaming racism for everything!
If RACISM was so prevalent what I see on BART daily would not be.


Have a good night.

You're a straight male. Suppose you're looking for a life partner...someone to marry. A certain guy finds you interesting. He wants to date you in a serious way. You put him off, perhaps diplomatically, but you put him off. After all, you're not interested in dating some one of the same sex. Are you sexist?

Suppose you're a straight male and a gigolo. A male offers you money for sex. You refuse. He accuses you of being sexist...making a decision based solely on gender. Does the accusation apply? Is your only moral choice to take his money and suck his cock?

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Originally Posted by trish

Everything else a girl considers falls under the category of preferences: her preferences. If, for example, I like tumbling in the hay with wonderfully obese men and not with skinny men, that would be a sexual fetish (i.e. a preference) and not a prejudice. Indeed I may have no PREJUDGMENTS concerning lean men. I may realize some are smart and some are stupid. Some are clean and some are filthy. Some are rich and some are poor. Some are great lovers and some are so-so. It may simply be the case that I just don’t want to have sex with bony men. That’s not prejudice, that’s merely catering to one’s own desires, preferences and fetishes even when on the job. I never eat escargot, whether I’m an escort or not. That’s not prejudice against snails. I’ve tried them. I don’t hate them. I can understand why they’re rightly considered a delicacy. But you can’t pay me to eat them either. I’m not going to put them in MY body.

Everyone on these forums knows I’m the first to call out racists and haters. Hostile called me a racist about eight times just last week for defending Obama. But in this case, what you guys don’t see is that it’s not always about YOU. When it comes to our bodies, WE girls decide who’s going to touch it and under what circumstances. You don’t have a voice in that decision.

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'Round and 'round I go... You guys keep comparing apples and oranges. I hope none of you are trial lawyers. Comparing race, ESPECIALLY blacks, to whether a guy is skinny or fat is as senseless as comparing it to prefering Coca Cola over Pepsi. It's not the same thing!
Try to follow this. I'll make it as simple as I can: If I call you and offer you a soda, you may ask what kind. If I say Pepsi, you can say no thanks, I don't like Pepsi. You've tasted Pepsi, you know what it's like. It will always be like that. That's your PREFERENCE.
If I call you for a date and tell you I'm black, YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING MORE ABOUT ME THAN YOU DID SECONDS BEFORE, excepting that I identify with the black race. Any decision you make of whether or not I'm "allowed to touch" your body is based on your preconceived notions and perceptions that pop into your head when I say BLACK!
Coca-Cola, fat guys, thin guys, yes that's a preference based on what you KNOW! Black... That's a prejudice based on what you THINK you know.
The fact that you all can't see the difference between race and simple physical traits screams racism. All tall men are tall. All fat men are fat. All coca-cola tastes like coca-cola. All black men are_______?

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You're a straight male. Suppose you're looking for a life partner...someone to marry. A certain guy finds you interesting. He wants to date you in a serious way. You put him off, perhaps diplomatically, but you put him off. After all, you're not interested in dating some one of the same sex. Are you sexist?

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First of all, this isn't a professional situation; no one is getting paid to provide a service, it's only "personal".

Second of all, WRT solely this situation..... YES.

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Originally Posted by trish

Suppose you're a straight male and a gigolo. A male offers you money for sex. You refuse. He accuses you of being sexist...making a decision based solely on gender. Does the accusation apply?

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Again, WRT solely this situation..... YES.

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Originally Posted by trish

Is your only moral choice to take his money and suck his cock?

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Discrimination takes place all the time. So much so that people don't even know what it is and what it isn't anymore. And discrimination isn't illegal or immoral. There are certain types of discrimination which are illegal, and others which different people find to be immoral. But not all forms of discrimination are either. But since (like racism) "discrimination" has become a dirty word, no one wants to admit they do it.

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Originally Posted by El_hefe

Well since no one is honest enough to say it.....I will. Many of the experienced girls feel there is more of a chance that they will be hassled, robbed or hit by dating a young black male.
My ex-girlfriend isn't white, wasn't born in the states with it's fucked up racial attitudes & she told me that this is what she learned after living in NYC & LA.
She was robbed by black guys/girls a couple of times & a lot of verbal, & sometimes physical harassment by them in the bar. Not all black guys, not most black guys, just a consistent pattern from the same demographic that she & most of her friends avoided dealing with them after a while unless they were known friends.
Sorry.

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I have to comment on this.
Its quite unfortunate that the only image SOME WHITE PEOPLE HAVE OF BLACKS is the media and what they see in public.
What they generally see in public is NOT NICE.
I will explain.
Most white and NON-BLACKS generally interact with blacks on public transportation or DMV or McDonalds or some other public venue such as malls and whatnot.
These venues are usually populated by the younger generation of black folks and that is where the problem USUALLY lies.
Their behavior is atrocious.
Im on public transit 6HOURS a day 5 days a week and I am a keen observer.
Black peoples behavior and general demeanor is atrocious!
Loud,always using foul language and LIBERAL use of the "N" word.
You all have been there and know I speak the truth.
I have seen blacks(generally the younger ones 15-30) actually use racist terms toward whites and other non-blacks on bart and some even start fights.
I am on there EVERYDAY and I see great fear in the eyes of whites and others when they see blacks.
I see whites IGNORING deviant behavior that would cause fights anywhere else.
I have a picture on my ipod TAKEN MONDAY of this week of a bummy OLDER black male whose seat of his pants where saturated with his own feces go to the doors connecting one train from another and urinate in full view of everyone and then return to his seat.
What was the worst aspect of this mind bending situatiuon was the white woman siting next to him IGNORING his stench and psycopathic ranting.
Ive witness black engaged in impromptu racist rants against whites on BART while the few blacks on the train(me included) looked at this ignorant foul raised negro like he was out of his fucking mind.......all the while the top echelon whites that work in downtown San Francisco in the towers were silent and as docile as monks!
Imagine the situation reversed!?
There would have been blows thrown!
I wish so many blacks didnt behave like this.
I see it EVERYDAY and i have pictures.
WE AS BLACKS MUST CHANGE!!!
I am a 43 year old intelligent black man who has never been in the system and take care of myself and DONT engage in antisocial behavior.
Stop blaming racism for everything!
If RACISM was so prevalent what I see on BART daily would not be.


Have a good night.

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Ok you're sadly out of touch and as much of a problem as the young'uns you complain about, but I'm not gonna get deep into that.
As the great philosopher CHRIS ROCK said "Love me some black people, hate me some Niggas". Do people assume every white person is redneck trailer trash? Why would some think every black person acts like a Nigga?

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You're a straight male. Suppose you're looking for a life partner...someone to marry. A certain guy finds you interesting. He wants to date you in a serious way. You put him off, perhaps diplomatically, but you put him off. After all, you're not interested in dating some one of the same sex. Are you sexist?

Suppose you're a straight male and a gigolo. A male offers you money for sex. You refuse. He accuses you of being sexist...making a decision based solely on gender. Does the accusation apply? Is your only moral choice to take his money and suck his cock?

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Technically, yes you are being sexist, and in this silly-assed, lawyers gone wild society, that may be a frivolous lawsuit in the future, but once again you cannot compare gender to race. With gender you know what you're getting and with race you make assumptions.

I know what coke tastes like and I know what color black is. Look, when I was escorting I didn't want to get to know my clients, other than how to serve their needs. There's no prejudging going on because there's nothing about you I want to know or guess about. Most sex workers are not looking to have a longterm relationship with a trick. An escort doesn't care if you're Mr. Wonderful or not and she's not going to second guess what all your qualities and faults might be. Most escorts keep their personal lives separate from their business lives. So choosing or turning down a customer is a lot like deciding between Pespi, Coke or nah I'm not thirsty tonight. Her choice should be her's alone and free from the moralistic social pressure you're attempting to bring to bear just to increase your chances of getting laid. For shame.

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From this brother's perspective regarding those who don't like us... Who cares?

From what I can tell, escorts are prostitutes. Prostitutes are going for the money and can't take a lot of chances. How many brothers do you know feel like they have to pay for some lovin? Not many. Go with the white guy!

Who is the escort going to get (on average) for more money from? Some white dude or a brother. An escort will have to pry that hundee from my cold dead hand. Please...

I don't know about t-girls, because I have only met one in my life (she doesn't like brothers either, so what). However, there are some (most?) white/latin/asian females that refuse to date black men and a multitude of others who will only date black men. There are some who will date any type of man.

If you are giving me a choice, I'm typically going to pick the black woman. Doesn't that make me racist? I don't know, I just love black women. Oh well.

The typical black man exudes sexual confidence and there are some people (of all sexes) that can't stand that. It's a turn off. A huge one.

Some people just aren't attracted to black men, and that's just the bottom line.

Some people just hate blacks. Oh well. Nothing you can do.

It is not ALL be racism (but we know that some of it is)

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Yea I don't get why somebody would be mad they can't see an escort?/ If they were all that, they wouldn't be paying in the first place. I can deal with a black man and not charge him.

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come on now you need to stop playing Vanessa. yOu know damn well that most trannies ain't giving up no ass if a man ain't playing. those that do are very rare!!

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I know what coke tastes like and I know what color black is. Look, when I was escorting I didn't want to get to know my clients, other than how to serve their needs. There's no prejudging going on because there's nothing about you I want to know or guess about. Most sex workers are not looking to have a longterm relationship with a trick. An escort doesn't care if you're Mr. Wonderful or not and she's not going to second guess what all your qualities and faults might be. Most escorts keep their personal lives separate from their business lives. So choosing or turning down a customer is a lot like deciding between Pespi, Coke or nah I'm not thirsty tonight. Her choice should be her's alone and free from the moralistic social pressure you're attempting to bring to bear just to increase your chances of getting laid. For shame.

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My iPhone fucked up my response, so I'll take it as a sign to go to bed... But I'll continue tomorrow!!!

I know what coke tastes like and I know what color black is. Look, when I used to own a restaurant I didn't want to get to know my clients, other than how to serve their needs. There's no prejudging going on because there's nothing about you I want to know or guess about. Most waiters are not looking to have a longterm relationship with a diner. An waiter doesn't care if you're Mr. Wonderful or not and she's not going to second guess what all your qualities and faults might be. Most waiters keep their personal lives separate from their business lives. So choosing or turning down a customer is a lot like deciding between Pespi, Coke or nah I'm not thirsty tonight. His choice should be his alone and free from the moralistic social pressure you're attempting to bring to bear just to increase your chances of getting fed. For shame.

I don't see why everyone was so up in arms about Denny's.

The difference is right here:

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His choice should be his alone and free from the moralistic social pressure you're attempting to bring to bear just to increase your chances of getting fed. For shame.

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The waiter is not offering the clients the use of his own body in a private venue. Restaurants are public and not private. As such the behavior of the restaurant staff is subject to public social mores. Moreover, the waiter works for the manager and manager works for the chain. For all three of these reasons the waiter is not free to make all his own choices regarding the customers. The independent sex worker is.

What's this argument really about? Mr. Sinister's not getting any Asian tail. He's even having a hard time buying it. So he's upset. He takes it out on those Asian girls in a public forum. Shames them. Calls them racists. Maybe next time they'll feel pressured or guilty enough to sell him some. Maybe it's just me, but I find that reprehensible.

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Moreover, the waiter works for the manager and manager works for the chain.

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Sorry, I forgot some people's only experience with "fine dining" is MacDonalds.

So I guess you're saying if a girl works for a house or agency, she loses her right to choose who she sees? because otherwise your argument is false.