99% of ts's are hookers, NO! but 1 in 4 TS escorts HIV+

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Originally Posted by worthy2

You have no knowledge of aids and the lies modern medicine tells you. Stop being a sheep and learn how to think for yourself. I understand 100 percent how the test works. It is a antibody test and you get a false positive from over 65 conditions such as a flu shot, being pregnant, drug addiction, common cold, alchoholic and more. Once you accept that aids is a lifestyle disease you will understand it more. Until then do your research for the next few months and then come back with an open mind.

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I hate to burst your delusional bubble, but the old test is an antibody test. The currently preferred test is an RNA test, which tests for the virus directly.


BTW This is another example of what happens when people get their news off the internet, where everyone's BS is considered equal. Check out http://www.virusmyth.com/ and take a look at who is really behind it.

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out of curiosity are you implying the website is legit or not?

Not to make the discussion longer or to support any of the sides but to those numbers you also have to add the transmission rate.... so theres the posibility of gettig an escort with hiv+, and then the possibility of the rubber breaking(if using one), and then the HIV transmission rate. From what i've read is higher in MtM sex, and varies from 1 out of 10 and 1 out of 1000.... its still scary to know that you flirt with those possibilities.

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Originally Posted by worthy2

danny p


If you believe that than I am happy for you. I deal with facts you deal with the corrupt words of modern medicine. I dont have to prove nothing to close minded robots who accept everything they told. All the money mainstream science has raised for aids and no progress. It's all corrupt so take it leave I am not trying convince narrow minded people.

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That's a nice dogmatic statement (look it up because I'm not sure they taught that one in the 3rd grade).

Fact: you stated that the test is only for antibodies.

Fact: I pointed out that this is the old test, a direct RNA test exists.

Fact: You simply make statements with nothing to back them up and then claim you are only dealing with facts, but offer no proof.

So, what "facts" are you "dealing" with? Your comments seem like the 12 year old which you probably are, devoid of any real facts and when proven wrong, making statements like "I dont have to prove nothing to close minded robots who accept everything they told". Well, what would you call a person who took what you had to say without anything to back it up with? I've got the CDC in my corner. Who's in yours?

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Originally Posted by worthy2

Wow you must feel really tough hurling insults behind the comfort of your computer. You are what a call a punk coward.

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Yes because a fist fight is what is needed in this situation. You shouldn't make such ridiculous statements if you don't want anyone to call you out based on what you have written. Calling AIDS a lifestyle disease and implying that it's deserved based on te lifestyle someone leads is in fact idiotic.

How much is it to cross your bridge?

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Originally Posted by worthy2

You have no knowledge of aids and the lies modern medicine tells you. Stop being a sheep and learn how to think for yourself. I understand 100 percent how the test works. It is a antibody test and you get a false positive from over 65 conditions such as a flu shot, being pregnant, drug addiction, common cold, alchoholic and more. Once you accept that aids is a lifestyle disease you will understand it more. Until then do your research for the next few months and then come back with an open mind.

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Wow, you are beyond ignorant. A lifestyle disease? Oddly enough heterosexual women are becoming the new high risk category. Are you saying these are all drug using sluts who deserve to have it?

You my man are an idiot?

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GS, see when you're quoting folks, try not to mess up the quote attributes so it suggests the ignorant, prejudiced BS uttered by nitwits like worthy2 was actually spoken by me, please.

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Originally Posted by Danny partridge

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Originally Posted by worthy2

You have no knowledge of aids and the lies modern medicine tells you. Stop being a sheep and learn how to think for yourself. I understand 100 percent how the test works. It is a antibody test and you get a false positive from over 65 conditions such as a flu shot, being pregnant, drug addiction, common cold, alchoholic and more. Once you accept that aids is a lifestyle disease you will understand it more. Until then do your research for the next few months and then come back with an open mind.

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I hate to burst your delusional bubble, but the old test is an antibody test. The currently preferred test is an RNA test, which tests for the virus directly.


BTW This is another example of what happens when people get their news off the internet, where everyone's BS is considered equal. Check out http://www.virusmyth.com/ and take a look at who is really behind it.

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Thank you Danny, a lonely voice of reason as ever. The problem is exacerbated because weak-minded fools in denial are prepared to believe any old BS that can be said to support their point of view, no matter how flimsy.

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No, you don't. You deal with hearsay, second-hand opinion and prejudice. I think we have established that you have not got a clue what you are talking about, so take some advice-- you have already demonstrated to anyone reading your BS that you are an idiot, so shut the fuck up before you prove it any more.

Tell me, do you believe in flying saucers and leprechauns as well?

Oh God! That's a lot of wrong information about HIV tests in this topic.
I'll try to help a little:

The tests that search for the presence of antibodies (ELISA and Western Blot) are older than the PCR based techniques, but are still the most used to confirm or rule out the presence of an infection. The Viral Load test is RT-PCR procedure, in which you have a Reverse Transcription of the HIV RNA followed by a PCR amplification of the cDNA. It is not used to confirm or rule out an infection, since it has a detection threshold of a few thousand viral copies (it is a semi-quantitative method). The gold standard for HIV detection is what can be called a qualitative PCR. In this method the DNA of lymphocytes is extracted and tested for the presence of the integrated HIV provirus (the provirus of a retrovirus virus is its "DNA form", after the reverse transcription and integration steps). This test is used only in cases where both ELISA and Western Blot tests are repeatedly negative but the patient has nonetheless convincing clinical signs of AIDS.
And by the way, when one gets a positive HIV result, it is a composite of at least two tests (usually an ELISA and a Western Blot. The former is very sensitive and the latter has a high specificity).

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Oh God! That's a lot of wrong information about HIV tests in this topic.
I'll try to help a little:

The tests that search for the presence of antibodies (ELISA and Western Blot) are older than the PCR based techniques, but are still the most used to confirm or rule out the presence of an infection. The Viral Load test is RT-PCR procedure, in which you have a Reverse Transcription of the HIV RNA followed by a PCR amplification of the cDNA. It is not used to confirm or rule out an infection, since it has a detection threshold of a few thousand viral copies (it is a semi-quantitative method). The gold standard for HIV detection is what can be called a qualitative PCR. In this method the DNA of lymphocytes is extracted and tested for the presence of the integrated HIV provirus (the provirus of a retrovirus virus is its "DNA form", after the reverse transcription and integration steps). This test is used only in cases where both ELISA and Western Blot tests are repeatedly negative but the patient has nonetheless convincing clinical signs of AIDS.
And by the way, when one gets a positive HIV result, it is a composite of at least two tests (usually an ELISA and a Western Blot. The former is very sensitive and the latter has a high specificity).

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Thank you, bh_boyy2. Anything that can be done to prevent gullible people falling under the sway of the kind of ridiculous denial of well-stated and repeatedly proven truth that worth2 has been pandering, is very welcome.

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Originally Posted by worthy2

I stand by my facts.

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What bloody facts, idiot? You have not stated ONE of those. Instead you have just spewed out dangerously ignorant bullshit in a smokescreen of complete crap designed to obscure the real, actual facts that have been stated by other people.

You are. for want of a better phrase, one really stupid cunt.

Worthy2, present some evidence or shut up. You have repeated the same mantra "hiv test is an inaccurate test and it should be outlawed" in all of your messages. You have failed to present any evidence backing your claims.

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Oh God! That's a lot of wrong information about HIV tests in this topic.
I'll try to help a little:

The tests that search for the presence of antibodies (ELISA and Western Blot) are older than the PCR based techniques, but are still the most used to confirm or rule out the presence of an infection. The Viral Load test is RT-PCR procedure, in which you have a Reverse Transcription of the HIV RNA followed by a PCR amplification of the cDNA. It is not used to confirm or rule out an infection, since it has a detection threshold of a few thousand viral copies (it is a semi-quantitative method). The gold standard for HIV detection is what can be called a qualitative PCR. In this method the DNA of lymphocytes is extracted and tested for the presence of the integrated HIV provirus (the provirus of a retrovirus virus is its "DNA form", after the reverse transcription and integration steps). This test is used only in cases where both ELISA and Western Blot tests are repeatedly negative but the patient has nonetheless convincing clinical signs of AIDS.
And by the way, when one gets a positive HIV result, it is a composite of at least two tests (usually an ELISA and a Western Blot. The former is very sensitive and the latter has a high specificity).

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Wrong the hiv test is an inaccurate test and it should be outlawed. This test is flawed. The inventors of this test have never been able to isolate hiv so therefore the test is bogus. Why would anyone want to take a test that is proven to be inaccurate. If someone wants to get thier bloodwork done they should get all of the std's checked. Dont listen to these 2 assholes because they would argue if it was raining just to be right.

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I have never been one to trust governments, a majority of the medical profession or drug companies, but here is some interesting stuff from the

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/images/logo.gif

FYI

INFO:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa19.htm

HOW IS THE DISEASE TRANSMITTED?
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/transmission.htm

PREVENTION:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/prevention.htm

ALL ABOUT TESTING:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/testing/qa.htm

HIV/AIDS and Men Who Have Sex with Men (MSM)
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm



Your risk of getting HIV or passing it to someone else depends on several things.

Do you know what they are?

You might want to talk to someone who knows about HIV.

You can also do the following:

* Abstain from sex (do not have oral, anal, or vaginal sex) until you are in a relationship with only one person, are having sex with only each other, and each of you knows the other’s HIV status.

• o Image of condoms.If both you and your partner have HIV, use condoms to prevent other STDs and possible infection with a different strain of HIV.
  o If only one of you has HIV, use a latex condom and lubricant every time you have sex.

* If you have, or plan to have, more than one sex partner, consider the following:

• o Get tested for HIV. Men who have sex with other men should get tested at least once a year.
  o Talk about HIV and other STDs with each partner before you have sex.
  o Learn as much as you can about each partner’s past behavior (sex and drug use) and consider the risks to your health before you have sex.
  o Ask your partners if they have recently been tested for HIV; encourage those who have not been tested to do so.
  o Use a latex condom and lubricant every time you have sex.
  o If you think you may have been exposed to another STD such as gonorrhea, syphilis, or Chlamydia trachomatis infection, get treatment. These diseases can increase your risk of getting HIV.
  o Get vaccinated against hepatitis A and B viruses.

* Even if you think you have low risk for HIV infection, get tested whenever you have a regular medical check-up.

* Do not inject illicit drugs (drugs not prescribed by your doctor). You can get HIV through needles, syringes, and other works if they are contaminated with the blood of someone who has HIV. Drugs also cloud your mind, which may result in riskier sex.

* If you do inject drugs, do the following:

• o Use only clean needles, syringes, and other works.
  o Never share needles, syringes, or other works.
  o Be careful not to expose yourself to another person's blood.
  o Get tested for HIV test at least once a year.
  o Consider getting counseling and treatment for your drug use.
  o Get vaccinated against hepatitis A and B viruses.

* Do not have sex when you are taking drugs or drinking alcohol because being high can make you more likely to take risks.

To protect yourself, remember these ABCs:

• A=Abstinence
  
  B=Be Faithful
  
  C=Condoms

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/images/condom.jpg
Better safe than sorry.

Better safe than Typhoid Mary ...

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Originally Posted by worthy2

Wrong the hiv test is an inaccurate test and it should be outlawed. This test is flawed. The inventors of this test have never been able to isolate hiv so therefore the test is bogus. Why would anyone want to take a test that is proven to be inaccurate. If someone wants to get thier bloodwork done they should get all of the std's checked. Dont listen to these 2 assholes because they would argue if it was raining just to be right.

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The HIV test is 99.8% accurate for the oral test (OraQuick Rapid HIV-1 Antibody Test ) and about 99.6% for the blood test. You can check it for yourself at this website

http://www.natap.org/2005/HIV/122805_08.htm

But there are many others and pretty much all say the same results. Just google "hiv test" and specificity.

However, if you might have contacted HIV it could take about 2 weeks to even up to 4-6 months for antibodies to show. So the test don't rule out recent contact. So often if you had possible exposure in the last month and test comes out negative, you are recommended to retest in 4-5 months maybe even again 1 yr later.

Here's a scenario: an escort with HIV knows she's going to need alot of expensive drugs soon. she knows she might be dying in about 10 years. Will she
A: start looking for a job as a secretary and live out her last 10 years with much less fun and free time than she's used to?
B: keep escorting, maybe more than ever before, so she can see all the great sights of the world and have as much fun as she possibly can?

I'd guess B. I'll bet there hasn't been an escort in history who has stopped after finding out she has a disease. And to not use protectiong with an escort just means you are OK with HIV as long as you can have as much fun as possible right NOW.

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I stand by my facts.

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What bloody facts, idiot? You have not stated ONE of those. Instead you have just spewed out dangerously ignorant bullshit in a smokescreen of complete crap designed to obscure the real, actual facts that have been stated by other people.

You are. for want of a better phrase, one really stupid cunt.

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You and this utopiaguide guide asshole are the 2 biggest jerkoffs on this board.

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Ah, I see. Let me repeat. You are one...really...terminally...stupid...cunt, and anyone who pays a second's heed to the crap you spew is in putting their life in danger. Now fuck off back under your stone, troll. Sorry, cunt.

everybody check out aliveandwell.org

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everybody check out aliveandwell.org

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everybody check out what happened to the founder of the above website/organization:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Maggiore

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Modern medicine has made no progress but has raised over a billion dollars for aids. Why is that?

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To Aid People? LOL

Look do a little more research before you make a conclusion, Im not saying AIDS doesn't exist Im just saying the link between HIV and AIDS is not scientifically proven.

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Originally Posted by worthy2

It's all bull, Stop believing everything you are told.

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The trouble is if I take your advice, than I simply am doing everything I am told to do and haven't changed anything. But wait maybe I am cause now I am taking your advice.

But if I don't take your advice, then I am not doing what everything I am told, but at the same time I am taking your advice if I am doing that...Ah I dont know its all too confusing now...cause I am dammed if I do and dammed if I don't...LOL

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It's all bull, Stop believing everything you are told.

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The trouble is if I take your advice, than I simply am doing everything I am told to do and haven't changed anything. But wait maybe I am cause now I am taking your advice.

But if I don't take your advice, then I am not doing what everything I am told, but at the same time I am taking your advice if I am doing that...Ah I dont know its all too confusing now...cause I am dammed if I do and dammed if I don't...LOL

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In all cases do your research not just a google search like that skirt wearing jackass from scotland did.

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Ah yes, racism. I wondered when you would concede defeat. You know I wish I had a fiver for every time I've seen a stupid, ignorant, brain-dead moron like you stoop to racism when he has lost the argument.

You have advanced NO FACTS, made no argument, and logic--you? Don't make me fucking laugh. You need a brain for that, and you were obviously hiding under the bed wanking when they handed those out in your family. Unless, of course, your father, mother, all your sisters and brothers are stupid, ignorant, racist fuckwits too, in which case we'll have to accept that the brain-delivery boy must have skipped your house. Probably didn't like the smell.

You must be feeling really good now that you've made a complete cunt of yourself, huh Sparky?

Don't wanna defend worthy2, because he's talking out his arse, but taking the piss out of scottish people isn't racist. For some people, it is sort of like a ...duty.

remember that movie "Braveheart" and the king says "the trouble with Scotland is that it is full of Scotts"...I don't know all of the sudden I am reminded of that movie. Do you think he meant people who are Scotish or that is full of people named Scott...LOL nah j/k I know what it meant

Tomsfurbs is right.

It's not racist.

It's xenophobic.

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Originally Posted by worthy2

Listen you jackasses the source of info you have or believe is your little yahoo and google search.

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What is your source of info?

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Originally Posted by worthy2

Listen you jackasses the source of info you have or believe is your little yahoo and google search.

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What is your source of info?

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Originally Posted by worthy2

Listen you jackasses the source of info you have or believe is your little yahoo and google search.

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What is your source of info?

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I really have nothing to prove

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This is so true. You have already proved that you are a fuckwit. Give up while you're ahead.

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I really have nothing to prove

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Give up while you're ahead.

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WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too late for that.

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The real question is what is your source of info? Hmm let's see modern mainstream medicine that has killed more people than any world war in american history. Yea ok you dumb fuck go google again you mindless robot.

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Thank you for proving my point that you are just babbling bullshit and have absolutely zero facts to back it up with, or you'd present them rather than making ad hominem attacks on anyone who actually produces real facts which contradict your blathering dogma.

You remind me of this commercial which is on TV now for this pest controller where they have some idiot saying "The best thing about it is that it's the best".

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fuck you fuck your mother and fuck your half ass utopia guide. What are proving tough guy? All you are doing is getting info from yahoo. Prove you are right? You cant so shut your trap you piece of shit.

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