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I just had another thought. If that is a gateway to TS porn, that leads me to believe then that your dad could start watching gay porn, because you turned him on to the gateway of TS porn. :shock: Oh shit! are the TS of the world turning father's, brother's, family, and friends on too a gay lifestyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiraHarden_TS
It's strange how these things work in the mind, here's once again my take on it using my Goddess Patricia Bysmark for example:
Would I want to have sex with Patricia Bysmark? Hell Yes!
Would I love to suck the dick of Patricia Bysmark? No!
Would I love to have my dick sucked by Patricia Bysmark? Yes!
Would I love to get penetrated by Patricia Bysmark? No!
Would I love to penetrate Patricia Bysmark? Yes!
Would I love to lick Patricia Bysmark's ass? Hell Yes!
Dude,your richard simmons gay.Quote:
Originally Posted by D.Rob187
Its not a correct statement. I have been watching straight porn for years and just started producing TS porn. Gay porn does not interests me in any form even though it is one of the highest selling niches. So, I think that is a growing stereotype that str8 guys go into TS porn as a gateway to gay porn. I think it is normal for a guy who frequents TS girls to eventually question his sexuality once out of confusion. But Tgirls are where its at for most guys and thats all it is.
Hello, I am new to this site, have spent some time lurking and maybe this is a good topic for my first post.
First of all, who CARES if transsexual porn is a gateway to gay porn? What matters is what turns you on. Second, don't be afraid of yourself or what you (have come to) fancy.
That said, I consider myself straight - or as I like to say, in my 34 years on this planet, there hasn't been a single man I have felt myself (sexually) attracted to. But even if that happened someday... big f***ing deal! I refuse to let homophobic morals dictate me what/who I should get turned on by.
I mostly watch/look at Lesbian porn, for me it's just a lot more pleasant to look at than guy-on-girl. Maybe because I don't care to see some guy's naked dick. So then, you might ask, how come I like Transsexual porn? Because,and I really hope this offends nobody, a Transsexual (or a Shemale) to me is not male in the classical sense. Even if she has a sizeable dick, to me she is decidedly more woman than man. Therefore, Transsexual porn is not gay porn to me and has never made me fancy actual guy-on-guy porn. But even if it did someday... like I said, who cares?
I must admit though that although girls who have had nothing done down there can be just simply gorgeous, I am even more fascinated with post-op transsexuals. I cannot tell you why that is, but there is just something uniquely intriguing about girls who have "gone all the way".
anyways, looking forward to participating in great discussions on this board... :wink:
My opinion is nobody on this whole god damn forum has any right to call someone gay or to categorize someone. To call someone gay on this forum is like a alcoholic calling someone a crackhead druggie. The poison they choose is different but they are both into poison...
Did that make any sense at all?
Yep.
Back in my dope fiend days it always amazed me there was a hierarchy of drug users. Coke and pot/psychedelic users looked down on all other drug users,huffers and methheads were the bottom of the barrel.
Get a little dry spell in the weed and coke supply and those folks got a lot less picky about what got 'em high and who they hung around with.
BTW,regarding the subject,of course TS porn is the gateway to homosexuality. If you're on this board asking questions about it you're doomed to a lifetime of antiquing and "Sex In The City" reruns.
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Originally Posted by mrwiseguy
I wish I had a fiver for every time I've seen a flaming gay come up with a statement to that effect on this board.
But to answer the OP:
Depends on the viewer's sexual orientation.
If you are gay, then you may use TS porn and TS women to satisfy your gay sexuality without confronting it. TS escorts and porn merchants thrive on this, as it is a basis of their business.
If you are not gay, then looking at TS porn will not make you gay, nor will making love to a TS woman (or for that matter any woman.)
I do enjoy TS porn but I have to remove all the parts or images showing men being penetrated, as this actually makes me physically nauseous and will certainly kiss goodbye to any sexual excitement I may be experiencing. From this point of view GG porn is a much safer bet for me and I tend to move between TS porn and GG porn.
But if you are a man, and you get turned on by pictures of men being penetrated by TS models, obsess about cocks or begin fantasising about being penetrated yourself, then you might as well admit reality, accept your sexual orientation and just move on to gay porn. Why live in denial?
So for gay men, TS porn may well be a gateway.
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dearest forum-clowns: too much shemale porn is a gateway to NOT have real life sex in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Coroner
As usual, Coroner, an intelligent approach. However the distinction is more complex than simple appearance. It has to accommodate behaviour as well, and furthermore the desired behaviour, or fantasy of the viewer if we are talking about porn. We cannot alter the fact that the penis is a male member, as Celeste pointed out, and this throws a spanner in the works.
In fact a transsexual women (talking about pre-op here) is ambivalent, a quasi-intersexual state, possessing the feminine qualities of a woman in her breasts, buttocks and softened features and the masculine power of a man, invested in her penis. This being the case a TS woman has the power to be either male or female. She can give as well as receive. Therefore how she is behaving has to be taken into account.
When a TS woman is using her penis to penetrate a man, she has fully transformed herself into a male; and when she is receiving cock she is almost completely female, in fact, to be honest, completely so in every respect other than the issue of the vagina. In the act of sex itself it is actually quite tricky for the man so see or be aware of her penis at all, and many girls prefer a position that makes it even more difficult. If you are penetrating a TS woman anally, leaning over her in missionary or from behind and feeling her breasts as you kiss with tongue, is is quite impossible to feel a difference between this and fucking a GG anally in the same way, unless you go for the reach-around (and don't be surprised if you find your hand being removed if you do; the woman is totally focussed on being a woman, and may not take kindly to being reminded about the pecker.) There's nothing wrong with the sensitivity of my dick, but I have never been able to feel a difference between the two types of rectum. And both types of mouths feel the same too.
Unquestionably therefore, making love to a TS woman can fit the category of straight sex.
However, unpopular though this view is here, when a man is penetrated anally, that man is indulging in gay sex. When a man sucks a cock, that man is indulging in gay sex. It does not matter whether the penetration is by a TS woman using her penis, a TS woman using a strap-on or a natal or formerly transsexual woman using a strap-on, because in all these cases the woman is playing the role of a man to satisfy her partner's desire for gay sex, or her own.
We must remember that just as a man may wish to explore his feminine side, so a woman may wish to explore her masculine side, and either partner may simply be accommodating the other because they love each other; but whatever the reasons, in this case the actual sex itself is still homosexual, though the relationship may not be.
The point is that to make a sensible definition of sexual orientation when confronted with the phenomenon of transsexual women, we have to look beyond simple physical appearance and include behaviour.
All that applies as much to porn as to real life. So TS porn has the unusual quality of being either straight or gay, depending on what is being depicted.
Therefore, with regard to TS porn, men who are gay, whether in denial or not, will gravitate towards porn that concentrates on dicks and men being penetrated or dominated, while more straight men will seek porn that shows the exact opposite, the TS looking and behaving in as feminine and submissive a way as possible.
So if a man finds that he is repeatedly returning to images of other men being sexually dominated by women, then he might as well seek out gay porn, since that is what the fantasy that he is satisfying through porn is. And that is the sense in which TS porn is a gateway to gay porn.
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Originally Posted by mbf
It seems like whenever someone on HA discusses gay sex they seem to be referring to hairy masculine guys- and it is a big turn off. There are all sorts of different gay genres- bears, muscle, hairy, etc. Me personally am into the fem guys- smooth, skinny, pretty. To me looking at shemales just takes my fem attraction to the next level. So if you are into gay sex with fem guys, then I bet you are into shemales.
There's nothing wrong with being gay - I started off with gg's then tg's and then occasionally some guys.
In theory I'm bi but sometimes I feel more gay than bi. However I am attracted to a wide range of ggs, but only a small range of guys, but when I see a guy I like, I want him more than I want a gg.
tgs are perfect they just slide on in between
Right on, man! I wonder how many of these people tell their friends and family that they are into trannies? I bet 90% are in the closet about their attractions. Do you think they are afraid of someone thinking they are gay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fetish Fanatic
That observation makes sense but you have to remember that straight men don't even see these differences. A guy is a guy is just a guy and that's it. We don't spend time checking guys out. We spend time checking chicks out.Quote:
Originally Posted by callahac
I don't mean to imply that there is one homogeneous "gay" pattern. I just mean to say that to me, all guys are the same. I think you have to be interested before you would notice these distinctions, and most non-gay men just are not.
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No, not at all.
Male homosexual activities are not excting nor enjoyable for the sight... not to mention extremely boring and aesthetically horrible.
My opinion...
One thing I do have to add in response to Celeste's angle on it:
I do think that it's a bit ridiculous to call anyone who is into tgirl porn as being less than bi-. There's a cock there, and that's where it crosses the line.
However, it's just as ridiculous to think that ALL men who like tgirls are going to like guys (either eventually or if they broke down their walls).
Take it like this - what attracts a man to a woman? It's the physical. It's the shape of he face, her eyes, her hair, her jawline, neck, bodyfat composition, breast, waist-hip ratio, hairlessness, the curves of her figure, etc, etc.
If a tgirl makes herself virtually indistinguishable from a gg, having all of the same features (being dressed), then any man with heterosexual inclinations will find her equally attractive.
Now, most guys here probably come across tgirl porn when fishing through straight porn (on the sample sites it can be mixed in), so here they are, paging through what looks like women until you get the 'surprise' in the end (at least the first time). That guy is confused. There's all of the factors there (the physical ones mentioned above), but yet, something's "wrong." If a guy is kinky / enough of a perv (i'm not meaning it as an insult), then he might actually "like" the wrongness of it. It's a twist on what they've seen before. Just like a guy seeing tg/gg porn being a twist on lesbian porn. And, people do get bored with the same old porn after a while.
So, while they're still attracted to the female form (which both passable tg and gg's have), they get a kick out of something a little "different."
That's why guys are arguing here. They're attracted to the female form, just with a twist - and can't even fathom being with a person having the male form.
I mean, would you call a guy who wanted to be with Buck Angel "straight?"
By your logic, you'd say "yes" since he was born a woman and has a vagina, right?
So, obviously, no. In fact, I've heard of gay men sort of curious about the chance to be with a guy like that (as he said "a man with a pussy"). Straight men only like the female form, and if a person happens to be born a woman with a vagina and gets rid of all female characteristics, that female form will be gone and the attraction lost.
Again, I think a lot of attraction is gray and in the middle, and by that concept, anyone who falls under that has no other reasonable term to use than "bi", but where someone lands inbetween being attracted to the male and female binary is where they're born and nothing will change that. Maybe they'll realize they're further towards 'gay' than they thought, but it doesn't change anything.
So, you can call it "bisexual" porn. But calling it as "gay" porn really just isn't an accurate way to do it.
Again, by your logic, a man screwing Buck Angel would be "straight" to you, and tell me anyone anywhere who would agree with that.
I basically agree with what you're saying, but outside of lesbian porn there is pretty much always a cock close to the centre of the action in "straight" porn. Often far too prominently for me, in fact. I really do get turned off by pictures of naked men and I particularly do not like "money shots" where the camera focusses on the man, his cock, or god help me his anguished face. :pukeQuote:
Originally Posted by Nowhere
Just saying.
I'm not going to lie... there are some really girly looking twinks I catch my self watching... but usually solo stuff.
It was a gateway for me but what do I know
Shemale porn might be a gateway to gay porn for some but not for me.
I'd rather be eaten alive by meerkats than watch two dudes kiss and fuck each other.
You go from the joint straight to da crack.
Hey I'm a stoner and I resent that!
Who's talkin bout drugs? lol
lol okay ... point taken
dude your bi
Yes, you're the only guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by magicone
Shemale porn is the gateway to gay porn, the same way as cigarette addiction is the gateway to heroin addiction.
Sucks for you, huh?
and your stating the blatantly obvious.... thanks... nobody would have know if you didn't point that out. good job!:peanutbutterQuote:
Originally Posted by koolijtc
Really fucced that Celeste feels this way. SO every dude she gets with, in her mind, is a faggot for fuccing/sucking her!!??Quote:
Originally Posted by Celeste
Does Celeste still consider herself a man??
I still love the girls, but the mental that comes along with the total package is a gawd damn mind fuck!!!
the reason why most TS girls think that most TS admirer/chasers are gay because most of them just want COCK! why are you guys like that? its all about COCK for you?
If a tgirl ONLY wanted me to fuck her and let her suck my cock, I would be very cool with that.
But if she wants to cum too, I'm gonna accommodate that, but not my ass!lol (there would have to be some serious trust/love shit going on for that to happen because when it was over I would NOT recognize the dude in the mirror!! Just a hypothetical cause it hasn't been requested and I'm not offering.)
So no, it's not about the cock Alyssa, it's the androgyny IMO that draws in a lot of dudes like myself, in the beginning.
Beautiful girl = RIGHT.
w/ a cokk = WRONG, (at first.)
but she's making my cock turn into rock = RIGHT!!!
And there we go.....!
WHat it really comes down to I guess is that not all men are attracted to transwomen for the same reasons.
Some guys wanna fuck the girls and make em crazee.
Some guys wanna get broke thru by a tgirl.
Whateva.
Celeste for the win.
Now, is tranny porn a gateway niche towrds gay porn? No. I've been looking at tranny porn online since 2002, have produced it since 2007 and have been an escort since 2005 - in all those years of seeing and doing every deviant thing imaginable I still have no use for watching two burly dudes make out and poke each other.
That doesn't make someone's attraction to tranny porn any less of a homo erotic experience. See, the thing is - it's all about the phrasing people use to protect their oh so fragile view of sexuality/masculinity. You hear guys say that they like chicks with dicks. That's an oxymoron. The truth of the matter is that they simply like dudes who look a whole hell of a lot like girls. It's just that simple. Man up and deal. I did, now I have all the fun, make all the bank, and have not a sliver of shame or embarrassment about it.
The fact of the matter is ya'll are here because all the pretty lil things you drool over have COCKS. COCKS! Totally homo and not a damn thing wrong with it. Man up... your wives don't know your here. You can be free here... no one is going to make fun of you. Why would we? Ya'll pay our rent!
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Originally Posted by Celeste
But see, I don't imagine you truly consider yourself female Jamie. Apparently neither does Celeste, not really on a deep psychological level.
Like I said before, I could have a sexual encounter and personally have no contact with a girl's dick.
I don't know about others, but initially after making frantic efforts to avoid TS porn, one thing that intrigued me was that when a tgirl climaxed, there was no faking going on.
The orgasms were real, whereas in str8 porn the female orgasm is mostly a myth. SO in a way, I felt the sex was more real, a genuine experience happening, (btw as far as str8 porn goes, I mainly only watch amateur for the same reason).
I'm not gonna judge because apparently there's a place for someone like Celeste, you or me, Jamie, on a board like HA.
But my perspective is totally different from either of you.
If you went to an exclusively gay club, if you surveyed the clientele, do you really think more than maybe 5% find men AND TGs equally sexually desirable??
Str8 guys into tgirls are generally attracted to GGs also, if not mainly so.
It's like this for me; when it comes to GGs, I have a near criminal phat azz obsession. If a girl has a donk and isn't 300+#, to me she's very fuckable. But there are millions of GGs I would not touch with a borrowed dick, even though they still had a pussy.
If a TG is not attractive to me personally, I'm not interested. And if her personality isn't a fit w/ mine, there's no chance of it being anything more than just sex.
About her cock, I could care less really about her size. I prefer functional, but it's not a deal breaker.
You're entitled to believe what you will, Jamie, and think those who don't agree are fags in denial, but most on HA I bet don't agree with you, both the guys and the TGs.
"Apparently neither does Celeste, not really on a deep psychological level."
That's exactly what I'm talking about - science doesn't give a shit what any of us think about ourselves - And neither does the doctor that fills out your birth certificate.
It really kills you that I broke down the fourth wall doesn't it? Not reinforcing your little fantasies bother you much? Sorry bro - I'm not one of those performers that speaks as if every line I type comes from a carefully worded craigslist ad. Just deal - I ain't going anywhere.
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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
It's not all about cock to me, that's all. No walls here, I don't find men sexually attractive.
You remind me of guys who say if you have a threesome with another guy and a girl, you're gay. Or if the other guy accidentally touches you, it's gay. Of if the other guy's sweat comes in contact with you, it's gay.
Apparently Jamie you don't believe in the concept, ( or reality) of transgendered people.
It's all about the cock, or the pussy, and if you try to see anything more to it than that, to paraphrase Jamie-think, 'you're a fool.'
How many times do I have to say it? Nothing makes you gay but there is no denying that it is a homosexual activity. You can have those without being full flaming gay - So you screw a dude? It's not like you're marrying anybody - you're just doing what your dick tells you. Men will stick there dicks in anything if they think they can get away with it. Doesn't mean you're gay - at the same time there's nothing about screwing trannies that makes that moment of sexual congress anything less than a physically homosexual activity.
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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
Jamie is so right when she writes: "You hear guys say that they like chicks with dicks. That's an oxymoron. The truth of the matter is that they simply like dudes who look a whole hell of a lot like girls. It's just that simple."
And, too, Kirsty Scott is quite popular. Check out the pics below. Enough said.
Anyway, we live in a patriarchal society. And men have to be manly. And it's too effeminate to like other men. (God! Ya know, this is so tedious.... I mean, sexual orientation is meaningless.)
So, anyway, well, men reject their liking of other men because of, well, fear. Fear of being rejected by friends and family and the broader society. Fear. It's amazing how fear controls everyone.
The truest statement on HA.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamiecoxxdotcom
a shemale is still a man with heels and lipstick on...
this is a joke right?