Why are there SO FEW Getlemen Left?

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Originally Posted by Shrist

Oh be quiet you cunts!!

Guess what, humanity was as bad if not worse years ago- it is just these superficial behaviors you miss, then go back in time.

Allanah is a cunt!

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Enjoy your stay while u can.... BYE BYE!

Somebody in this post was talking about "good manners, morals, etiquette and breeding".

Breeding - I have none. I consider that I come from the gutter, that I am one of the bitter dregs of humanity.

Etiquette - the olde worlde form of "political correctness". I abhor being politically correct ( I prefer to call a spade a spade), therefore I have no etiquette. In French, "etiquette" means "label". I have no labels, they're too scared of me to stick to me.

Morals - I am proud to say that I have no morals whatever; I sleep well at night, whatever evil deeds or criminal acts (mainly reckless driving - the road is my racetrack and I will nerf you off if and when necessary) I have done during the day.

However, I always have good manners; a highwayman cannot exercise his profession without them. Unless of course the person I am addressing is an Officer of the Law, in which case I will take pride in being as discourteous and rude as humanly possible.

cheers

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Originally Posted by Matador

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

It seems like plain and simple manners amongst most men are gone these days...

Whatever happened to opening doors for a lady- pulling her chair out to sit- or standing when a lady leaves the table????

I'm lucky that my BF is one-

But I find bad manners amongst men rampant these days-

Especially YOUNG men.

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I've been a lurker here for quite some time. Some of the conversation here takes a rougher tone than I care for, but I always learn something here and I've enjoyed sitting on the sidewalk watching the parade pass by. And I mean that sincerely; I say it without any sarcasm.

My mom's family was from the South and she raised her boy to be a gentleman. I haven't been a boy in many years but her lessons have always stayed with me and they've never let me down. I don't think I've forgotten any of them; in addition to helping her with her coat and opening doors for her, here are other things a gentleman does when he's around a lady:

1. When a gentleman is out with a lady the only thing he has the right to expect is the pleasure of her company.

2. In a restaurant, the gentleman offers to seat the lady with her back to the wall. In this arrangement the lady can see everyone in the room and everyone in the room can see (and appreciate) the lady. This arrangement also helps the gentleman avoid distractions and it allows him to give his full attention to the lady.

3. A gentleman stands when a lady enters the room and he stands both when she leaves and returns to the dining table.

4. When a lady enters a room and there is not sufficient seating, a gentleman leaves the room to find her a new chair so she won't have to sit on a warm chair seat.

5. The gentleman's scent should not compete with the lady's perfume. A gentleman should smell clean and, if at all possible, should avoid wearing cologne or after shave.

6. During social introductions the gentleman is always introduced to the lady ("Mary, I'd like you to meet John."), not the other way around. This is not necessary during professional introductions.

7. During introductions a gentleman always offers his hand to another gentleman but he never shakes hands with a lady unless she first offers her hand to him.

8. A gentleman always finds a way to compliment the lady.

9. A gentleman doesn't use profanity around a lady.

10. A gentleman always removes his hat and sunglasses when conversing with a lady.

11. Good manners and acts of kindness are always appropriate.

12. The appropriate response to a compliment is "Thank you".

Then, too, I remember this. When I was about ten I was at a large family gathering: aunts, uncles, cousins. It was early autumn and one of the first chilly evenings of the season. My cousin had forgotten her jacket, she was shivering, and my mom told me to give her mine. At first I said no, but my mom insisted. "Give your jacket to your cousin." I said "But then I'll be cold." And my mom said "That's right, you'll be cold. But as a gentleman you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that the lady you're with is comfortable." And I gave her my jacket.

Allanah, your post hit home with me and I decided to make it my first on these boards. I hope no one minds.

But you're so right. Good manners are frequently lacking these days. And society is the poorer for that.

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God Bless you.



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Originally Posted by TrueBeauty TS

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Originally Posted by Matador

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

It seems like plain and simple manners amongst most men are gone these days...

Whatever happened to opening doors for a lady- pulling her chair out to sit- or standing when a lady leaves the table????

I'm lucky that my BF is one-

But I find bad manners amongst men rampant these days-

Especially YOUNG men.

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I've been a lurker here for quite some time. Some of the conversation here takes a rougher tone than I care for, but I always learn something here and I've enjoyed sitting on the sidewalk watching the parade pass by. And I mean that sincerely; I say it without any sarcasm.

My mom's family was from the South and she raised her boy to be a gentleman. I haven't been a boy in many years but her lessons have always stayed with me and they've never let me down. I don't think I've forgotten any of them; in addition to helping her with her coat and opening doors for her, here are other things a gentleman does when he's around a lady:

1. When a gentleman is out with a lady the only thing he has the right to expect is the pleasure of her company.

2. In a restaurant, the gentleman offers to seat the lady with her back to the wall. In this arrangement the lady can see everyone in the room and everyone in the room can see (and appreciate) the lady. This arrangement also helps the gentleman avoid distractions and it allows him to give his full attention to the lady.

3. A gentleman stands when a lady enters the room and he stands both when she leaves and returns to the dining table.

4. When a lady enters a room and there is not sufficient seating, a gentleman leaves the room to find her a new chair so she won't have to sit on a warm chair seat.

5. The gentleman's scent should not compete with the lady's perfume. A gentleman should smell clean and, if at all possible, should avoid wearing cologne or after shave.

6. During social introductions the gentleman is always introduced to the lady ("Mary, I'd like you to meet John."), not the other way around. This is not necessary during professional introductions.

7. During introductions a gentleman always offers his hand to another gentleman but he never shakes hands with a lady unless she first offers her hand to him.

8. A gentleman always finds a way to compliment the lady.

9. A gentleman doesn't use profanity around a lady.

10. A gentleman always removes his hat and sunglasses when conversing with a lady.

11. Good manners and acts of kindness are always appropriate.

12. The appropriate response to a compliment is "Thank you".

Then, too, I remember this. When I was about ten I was at a large family gathering: aunts, uncles, cousins. It was early autumn and one of the first chilly evenings of the season. My cousin had forgotten her jacket, she was shivering, and my mom told me to give her mine. At first I said no, but my mom insisted. "Give your jacket to your cousin." I said "But then I'll be cold." And my mom said "That's right, you'll be cold. But as a gentleman you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that the lady you're with is comfortable." And I gave her my jacket.

Allanah, your post hit home with me and I decided to make it my first on these boards. I hope no one minds.

But you're so right. Good manners are frequently lacking these days. And society is the poorer for that.

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God Bless you.



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Standing ovation.

The old days of a proper courtship seem so romantic. I talk to my Great Aunt often and she tells me what it was like when she was younger. She is my grandmothers sister, my grandmother passed before I was born. She tells stories of how she and my grandmother would get all dressed up in ball gowns and go to dances in the city to meet men. Things were a lot different then they are today.

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Originally Posted by NYTSJulie

The old days of a proper courtship seem so romantic. I talk to my Great Aunt often and she tells me what it was like when she was younger. She is my grandmothers sister, my grandmother passed before I was born. She tells stories of how she and my grandmother would get all dressed up in ball gowns and go to dances in the city to meet men. Things were a lot different then they are today.

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Allow me to disagree. It's just the same old crap in a different wrapping. Romance? HAH! There's no such thing as romance...

cheers

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Originally Posted by Caff_Racer

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Originally Posted by NYTSJulie

The old days of a proper courtship seem so romantic. I talk to my Great Aunt often and she tells me what it was like when she was younger. She is my grandmothers sister, my grandmother passed before I was born. She tells stories of how she and my grandmother would get all dressed up in ball gowns and go to dances in the city to meet men. Things were a lot different then they are today.

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Allow me to disagree. It's just the same old crap in a different wrapping. Romance? HAH! There's no such thing as romance...

cheers

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Most men, all they want is to hit it. Thats when I say $$$$$$$$$$$$

Question:
Why there are so few gentlemen left.

Answer:
Because Allanah Starr turned them all into sissy bottom boys...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

NYTSJulie, I think you misunderstand me. I don't give a fiddler's fart whether I "hit it" or not; indeed I prefer not to "hit it" whenever possible.

All I'm saying is that romance, just like peace, freedom and democracy, is one of humanity's stupid little myths.

cheers

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

It seems like plain and simple manners amongst most men are gone these days...

Wha tever happened to opening doors for a lady- pulling her chair out to sit- or standing when a lady leaves the table????

I'm lucky that my BF is one-

But I find bad manners amongst men rampant these days-

Especially YOUNG men.

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The main reason is simple...BAD PARENTING. My parents would never let me get away with some of the crap these younger idiots get away with. Sitting while old ladies stand on trains/subways, not opening doors, wearing hats indoors or at the dinner table. Let's not even start on actual table manners.

That being said.....it seems that with a large number of women if you are a gentleman then you are tryi9ng to get in their pants and you get slated for it. I can see why a few guys just stop trying.

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupree

Because pop culture has legitimized the thug value system, and it is now prevalent in our culture as a whole.

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Just caught this post... Late, I know. Still, it's interesting. Very.

You know, I can remember a time, not long ago either, when society was scandalized by the prevalence of groups like Motley Crue... or any male rock musician adorned with countless tats, exhibiting a fondness for eyeliner, and possessing hair teased to the high heavens. The cry was that these people were obsessed with debauchery in general, and that they set a bad example for children. Curious then that "Sex, Drugs And Rock And Roll!" is a celebrated mantra even now, while rap "thugs" (who all to often hail from middle class neighborhoods and never committed a single crime) are blamed for society's slide into the toilet.

Long before 50 Cent and the like, we had Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix and Elvis. Drug abusers all, but they made great music, so America forgives them their wrongs and celebrate their lives as if they are better examples than 50 Cent is. They aren't. Your taste in music is irrelevant here. This issue is why you think the thugs are worse than the drugs. Take all the time you need to answer that one...

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Originally Posted by Oliver Hardy

Just caught this post... Late, I know. Still, it's interesting. Very.

You know, I can remember a time, not long ago either, when society was scandalized by the prevalence of groups like Motley Crue... or any male rock musician adorned with countless tats, exhibiting a fondness for eyeliner, and possessing hair teased to the high heavens. The cry was that these people were obsessed with debauchery in general, and that they set a bad example for children. Curious then that "Sex, Drugs And Rock And Roll!" is a celebrated mantra even now, while rap "thugs" (who all to often hail from middle class neighborhoods and never committed a single crime) are blamed for society's slide into the toilet.

Long before 50 Cent and the like, we had Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix and Elvis. Drug abusers all, but they made great music, so America forgives them their wrongs and celebrate their lives as if they are better examples than 50 Cent is. They aren't. Your taste in music is irrelevant here. This issue is why you think the thugs are worse than the drugs. Take all the time you need to answer that one...

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I'll answer it in one nano-second, STFU Oliver :lol:

I wish I had a dime for all the times I was at a Bar like the Silver Swan in New York, bought a drink for a lady, yes, held the door open, and made sure they had safe passage home - whether it was finding them a cab (and footing the bill for it) or a simple walk to the subway. Unfortunately, some ladies came to see me as some sort of cash machine. Need you wonder why there are so few of us left? We're tired of being played and all the bullshit.

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Originally Posted by braveman

Acutally when tyhis thread started over the weekend, I tried to engage a few of the ladies in an intelligent conversation. I Tried to point out that ,among men AND women, civility and grace were fallng by the way side. All they kept on harping on was how men were the culprits. You can't have an rational converstaion when only one party is listening. I gave up.

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That's always the way, and it's how so many issues between certain male posters and TG posters started. While any number of guys have said it before and will doubtless say it again, it will remain frustrating as all hell to have this type of bullshit come up again and again, despite the fact that if you look closely, it's always coming from the same people, who refuse to do anything different with respect to the way they live their lives, but nonetheless expect to get more out of them. Sad shit, really.

Its just that some of the ladies are . . . clueless

nice guys dont get laid

i know, im one of them

Neither do guys with giant avatars, does it really need to be that big :roll:

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Originally Posted by lust4ts

Neither do guys with giant avatars, does it really need to be that big :roll:

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dunno, but mine is fairly wide and Hara seem to like it :D

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Originally Posted by lust4ts

Neither do guys with giant avatars, does it really need to be that big :roll:

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dunno, but mine is fairly wide and Hara seem to like it :D

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Lol, it is pretty wide haze, but that guys avatar is fucking massive.

Besides who am I to criticise someone for showing their body on here!

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Originally Posted by blckhaze

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Neither do guys with giant avatars, does it really need to be that big :roll:

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dunno, but mine is fairly wide and Hara seem to like it :D

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Nice Body! :D

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Originally Posted by KiraHarden_TS

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Originally Posted by blckhaze

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Neither do guys with giant avatars, does it really need to be that big :roll:

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dunno, but mine is fairly wide and Hara seem to like it :D

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Nice Body! :D

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thank ya!
*hears doorbell*
Damn kira, you run fast :lol:

I'm starting to wonder if this all comes down to impressing women. If you can find another way to impress a girl, you don't need to be a gentleman. Thats why the guys with nothing to offer are usually the gentlemen.

But if you have a guy with everything and is a gentleman, then he's probably a player, and a dick. Then you don't want him anyways.

Gentlemen exist. Many GG and TG look only for the superficial....thin bodies, handsome faces, rippling muscles, full heads of hair. I have none of that, but I am a gentleman first and foremost. All I would ever ask would be a chance to prove how good of a man I am. Unfortunately, I never get that chance.

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Originally Posted by DaLonelyGuyNJ

Gentlemen exist. Many GG and TG look only for the superficial....thin bodies, handsome faces, rippling muscles, full heads of hair. I have none of that, but I am a gentleman first and foremost. All I would ever ask would be a chance to prove how good of a man I am. Unfortunately, I never get that chance.

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I had the same problems back in high school. Until midway through, I was a fat, outta shape kid. I pretty much looked like Bobby Hill with a curly afro...and this was in the mid 90's, BEFORE 'fro's were considered cool again. :P Anyhow, I used to think so long as I was a good person and such, it would not matter....HA! All I got was my ass kicked on a daily basis by the bullies and jocks ( my name given to me by them was BEEFY TITS ), and ignored by the girls. So after my sophmore year in 1996, I trained my ass off in the make-shift gym I made in the basement. Lost 30 or so pounds that summer and while I did some some respect, I only really got respect in my senior year when I hit the weight room when the year began. Also, it helped me got noticed by the girls, and the bullies started to back off once I started getting a bit bigger and stronger. Plus getting rid of the 'fro helped.

Looks plays a BIG part in anything, especially when getting one of the opposite sex, I found out the hard way from experience. Is it correct or not? Who knows.....just that what we look like is what makes a big impression on the opposite sex ( or same sex for some people ). I mean you take 2 guys....both good, decent gentleman.....one of them has a face like Brad Pitt, lean body, wash board abs, nice hair, and so on....the other has a face like Prince Charles, a body like Jim Belushi, hair like Larry Fine, and such......don't matter how nice guy #2 is, because fellow #1 is going to have a better ( and easier ) time getting the girls.

And besides....I myself might be superficial....I want girls with lean bodies, nice hair, who dresses hot, cute faces, etc. I am not attracted to girls who look like Monty Python guys in drag or the cast of the View. But I have worked hard to make myself look better to not only girls and the people around me, but also myself. It did not come easy, and I work hard to make myself presentable to everyone. So therefore, I feel I am sfae to say that I have paid my dues to allow myself to have some sort of standard to what I want from a chick.

Besides, my mother once said to me the reason that marriages and relationships go down the shitter so much these days is that people are not picky enough. And my folks been married 30+ years.

So to DaLonelyGuyNJ, self improvement can be used as a tool to not just make other see you in a better light, but you might feel better yourself. I'll put up some of my own pics like Blckhaze did, once I figure out how to work this new camera I got a few months back. :oops: :lol: :mrgreen:

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Neither do guys with giant avatars, does it really need to be that big :roll:

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dunno, but mine is fairly wide and Hara seem to like it :D

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Nice Body! :D

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Yes indeed! And I luv it! LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

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Originally Posted by Hara_Juku Tgirl

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Neither do guys with giant avatars, does it really need to be that big :roll:

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dunno, but mine is fairly wide and Hara seem to like it :D

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Nice Body! :D

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Yes indeed! And I luv it! LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

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That's it!

*slips on some nutty professor style glasses and starts reading the camera instruction book again and again*

I am a gentleman here at your service Allanah

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Originally Posted by Hara_Juku Tgirl

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Originally Posted by KiraHarden_TS

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Originally Posted by blckhaze

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Originally Posted by lust4ts

Neither do guys with giant avatars, does it really need to be that big :roll:

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dunno, but mine is fairly wide and Hara seem to like it :D

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Nice Body! :D

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Yes indeed! And I luv it! LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

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That's it!

*slips on some nutty professor style glasses and starts reading the camera instruction book again and again*

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*Taps fingers..waiting in anticipation..LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

If a man does akk the gentleman thing in today hip cool society he gets called old fashioned & ancient then so be it it beats callinga woman a ho & treating her as such.

To me i think the womens lib movment went too far that if guy does anything for a women alarm bells go off thinking a guy trying to be a boss on control when all he really doing is being a fine man that respects the woman

The plain and simple truth is that girls (as opposed to women) don't respond to politeness and manners.

For a variety of reasons, girls are more likely to respond to the cocky jerks than the gentlemen.

Some say that it's about confidence, but I call BS on that based on personal experience. I'm quick-witted, intelligent, and confident.. I also listen and care about what they have to say and don't see sex as the ultimate goal, which is why I inevitably end up as just a friend.

I'm 24 and have been a caring and respectful gentleman for over a decade. I never had pimples, always dressed with style, but was cursed with "cuteness" rather than "hotness."

My name's dan, nice to meet you all.