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Re: In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.
[quote="Hannibal Lecter"][quote="vegasboy"]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter
Do you know what True Love Is?
If you do know, then you've already got your answer..
I'm not a simple person, so I understand the difference as you're defining it between being attracted to penis, and being in love with a person who has a penis that they just happen to want you to put in your mouth and you oblige. I'm just saying, if you're not into it so much, maybe it's better to fall in love with a girl that doesn't want you to do it. Either way, it's up to you and I'm not judging you. It just sounded cop-outish.
But I know what you're saying about it not being the emphasis.
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Originally Posted by sucka4chix
Peggy, thanks for the classy (as usual) response.
It's still quite possible that someone would have wanted to "go there" with you, but they knew your attitude towards it and never tried, but you're probably right ---you knew them, I don't. If you never met one who deep down wasn't at least curious, I'd agree with Allanah that it was just luck. Whether it was good luck or bad luck is a matter of opinion.
I wasn't trying to blast anyone; just wanted to point out that the view of a few TSes, no matter how prominent, does not represent the entire group. I don't know if there is even a predominant view. I have met very few girls who don't like their equipment, but I'm still not ready to generalize.
I posted to this thread because it's frustrating to be attracted to a certain type of girl, knowing that if society knew you liked these girls you'd be ostracized AND on top of that be dissed by the very girls you're attracted to, simply because you're attracted to them! It's very confusing. Basically the signal you give off is "I want you to be attracted to me but you shouldn't be attracted to me, so since you are...I don't like you"
Also, I think you've confused a few things: sex and love and affection are 3 separate entities. You can have one or two without the other. LOVE is independent of what's between your legs.Sex is not! If we were dating and you had your SRS, If I loved you, I'd still love you. Would I still be SEXUALLY attracted to you???? That's the question. I submit that the guy who loses SEXUAL interest after SRS is not fickle; the one who doesn't is. The man who loses interest is simply interested in what he always has been. The man who doesn't (lose interest) is by definition fickle as his object of affection can change easily from ass to pussy to neo-pussy or whatever is lying next to him. It is not unreasonable for a guy to have problem with a girl having SRS. If it's something you do for you, not someone else, why do you expect someone not taking your walk to understand it? Should a guy who dates another guy be accepting when his mate wants to transition? Sure he can be supportive and even still love, but to EXPECT someone to just cater their libido to whatever form or gender you decide to take on is not only unreasonable but illogical. Pre-op to post-op is the same thing. We all understand, I think, that men need erections to perform intercourse. Most sane men aren't aroused simply because you're human; they're attracted to a smaller subset. So you like what you like and it doesn't change much. That's normal and nothing to be hated for.
On my response, I do try to engage in polite and productive discourse,
and avoid pointless flamewars.
That and my Mom raised me to be a lady. :wink:
I definetely can concede how difficult it can be for the SO of a woman who
undergoes SRS, indeed a fairly large percentage of those relationships do
not survive after the women's surgery.
I will also also concede the semantical point about males who are open to
women with differing types of genitilia as being fickle. Though I still
maintain that many transwomen want to be desired for who they are, and
not what is between their legs.
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Originally Posted by bezane
Hi Peggy.....hope the Holiday season is a good one for you. This post is for you. I'm saying that because this is what I would say to only you in person and know that it will be unpopular here. I don't want to cause problems or argue about anything with people.
I'm not totally crazy about the way it was said but sucka makes some points.
I've come across many post op girls that have issues about "what they've done" as well as in purely gender/sexual terms being at the "bottom of the totem pole" in comparison to genetic girls.
That is truly what I have been told. By the same token, TS girls, especially many of the bombshells here, whether they like it or not, are at the very top of the totem pole. No GG can compete with them on diverse terms. No man can offer a complete feminine experience like they can.
There is also the issue of "the guys that are full of shit." Those are the ones that are worshipped by many TS girls because they are macho straight guys, that happened to "abandon" the notion of being with a GG because they happen to have met "the woman of their dreams" in a transsexual wrapper. How can this be?
The idea may suddenly appeal to them. And the taboo may drive their desire through the roof. But I'm not a kid here living in the closet, as many here know. The guys are NOW into Transsexuals. As inconvenient as that may be to someone's ego.
I'm also a total top. Really don't like the bottom AT ALL. But I do like every aspect of the TS body.
The debate over transsexualism often takes a MALE VS. FEMALE discourse. And often times the transitioning women become hyper-sensitive to the debate. They, due to society's ridiculous simplicity choose to be female and anything that hints male is met with disgust. And it baffles me that many TS women call guys that admire them faggots, cock worshippers, etc. but really believe their own boyfriend is some Macho Straight man in a steel jockstrap.
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade. Everyone is entitled to their feelings. But admirer's, especially one's that don't hide their feelings are a bit closer to normality than TS women that hate guys that like their cocks. That's not right. On this board due to shout downs they are supreme judges, but in the real world, no one is going to say that the cock hating TS lover is any better than the cock loving TS lover.
And why torture yourself. A TS woman, a real one, one that works hard to dazzle the world with her looks and well-adjusted attitude is so rare. Guys can't find them. But GG's are everywhere. So do TS women really believe that these unsuspecting men are really 100% unsuspecting? I know two guys very well, that date TS girls, great ones, one here on board, and they both told me they've always liked TS women but their current girlfriends think they are the first. No one gets hurt. Or do they?
Then the other debate. The one about hating men that want to suck their cocks. Do these girls like anal sex? Do all GG girls like anal sex? Why is one act an act of a faggot and the other is not. If I don't fuck my GG girlfriend's ass is that wrong?
Point being is that let make the question more complex. An ass is not a vagina. They are different. I go out with GG's mostly to get to their vagina's. And guess what, they have an ass too. So unless I admit loving the complexity and beauty of a TS girl, what the fuck do I need her for? If I love her that's one reason. But are we being naive enough to think that there is only one single person in the world for us and we happened to find them? And if that hits the skids, is that it. Never settle down again?
A TS girl here called me because she was in town. She is beautiful. She can date anyone. I was flattered. We hung out at a restaurant, then a bar, all mainstream on the Vegas strip and you couldn't tell her from any of the other 350,000 visiting GG women. What was enlightening was that she told me it was nice to be out with a guy that "knows." No stress. And yet she was really jived by the fact we weren't going to drag shows or tranny bars or gay bars. And when I asked her wasn't she wanting to meet a "straight guy?" She's a smart girl. She said if they don't know, when they find out they are gone. If they find out it is usually within a day that they get you into bed. Meaning, he knew, he's turned on by it, no hesitation. He changed his entire life on a dime. No discussion.
Of course we'll hear that many are wined and dined by "straight men" after they find out. They never look at TS porn the whole time because even after they knew they continued to be "straight men." Well in accordance with the laws of nature I guess i'm not straight. But in accordance with the laws between man and woman, I'm the real deal. But I still can't figure out why TS girls should hate me because I like them. And I can't figure out why they want to hide from the notion of what they are?
Seasons greeting to you as well. :wink:
Thus far it's been a festive, joyous, though somewhat hectic one.
You've made a number of points, I'll address a few that stand out
for me.
Quote:
I've come across many post op girls that have issues about "what they've done" as well as in purely gender/sexual terms being at the "bottom of the totem pole" in comparison to genetic girls.
I won't speak for other post operative women, but pound for pound, I
don't feel at a disadvantage.
I feel that my intelligence, integrity, personality, etc, put me in good stead
with any woman, trans or natal. By no means do I feel like a second class
citizen, or Miss Runner Up. :lol:
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That is truly what I have been told. By the same token, TS girls, especially many of the bombshells here, whether they like it or not, are at the very top of the totem pole. No GG can compete with them on diverse terms. No man can offer a complete feminine experience like they can.
By the same token I didn't transition solely to attract men, it was never
about having men falling down at my feet, or stopping them dead in their
tracks.
I'm not in the industry, or in entertainment so my looks aren't what pay
the bills, for that I use what is between my ears and not what is between
my legs.
I'm mildly bi, open to a relationship with a woman or a man (lean more to
males), but I transitioned because it was what my heart and mind dictated
for me.
There are women who transition because it will garner them more sexual
partners, I was not one such woman, though I have had my fair share of
lovers.
Bottom line I am a woman because it is who I am, not because I am
trying to to curry the favor of men.
It's nice when it happens, but it doesn't diminish my worth or self-esteem
when it doe not.
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Originally Posted by Trogdor
The chick in Orlando cute? and if so, what's her number? :mrgreen:
LOL, check your messages.
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Originally Posted by sucka4chix
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trogdor
The chick in Orlando cute? and if so, what's her number? :mrgreen:
LOL, check your messages.
Now THAT'S my kinda babe. :mrgreen:
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Re: In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.
[quote="vegasboy"][quote="Hannibal Lecter"]
Quote:
Originally Posted by vegasboy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter
Do you know what True Love Is?
If you do know, then you've already got your answer..
I'm not a simple person, so I understand the difference as you're defining it between being attracted to penis, and being in love with a person who has a penis that they just happen to want you to put in your mouth and you oblige. I'm just saying, if you're not into it so much, maybe it's better to fall in love with a girl that doesn't want you to do it. Either way, it's up to you and I'm not judging you. It just sounded cop-outish.
But I know what you're saying about it not being the emphasis.
WOW, are you capable of choosing who to fall in love with? That's interesting.
Could you learn me that secret? :-)
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Re: In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.
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Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter
WOW, are you capable of choosing who to fall in love with? That's interesting.
Could you learn me that secret? :-)
I can't learn a sappy hopeless romantic anything unless you tone down your emotions somewhat. You'll have to learn it yourself. Whatever sensation you get when you fall in love isn't exclusive to one person out of many billions ya fucktard. Nice try. And I don't mean anything by fucktard but your tone is kind of condescending for someone making such a weak argument.
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Re: In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.
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Originally Posted by sdman
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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC
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Originally Posted by sdman
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC
Quote:
Originally Posted by peggygee
I've been fulltime 34 years, 23 as a pre op, going into my 11th as a post op.
I've done the wild thing with a fairly decent number of men. I've been
in LTRs, and short and medium length relationships.
I had a fairly large penis, but none of the men were too interested in it.
They never wanted to suck it, never wanted me to fuck them. Which was
cool because I didn't want to.
Like I said I'm no stranger to 'the life', but it seems like men have
changed, or did I miss something.
HA please fill me in. :?:
Hmm- maybe its the energy you projected?
I certainly have not been so lucky in my personal life as you. Dated a few size queens in disguise- which is always so dissapointing.
I'm quite happy to be a bottom in my personal life.
HA please fill me in.
But I am sure things have changed A LOT.
Why do you think it was dissapointing because you could not live up to their expectations with your penis.
The stuff you say on here makes you sound SERIOUSLY mentally challenged most of the time..I.E. not knowing the differenve between Spanish & Portugese and your generilizations about post op TS women.
It was dissapointing because I am not a top in my personal life- and I don't date dick hungry guys like you that want to suck and get fucked and are against ts having SRS.
If I wanted a size queen or to be a top- I would have simply stayed male and led a gay lifesyle.
Allanah Star are you a legal american citizen or did you come over here on one of the Cuban boats? Are you also a tax payer?
(sigh) Dude why don't you go to the Klan mesage board if you're going to go there?
If Allanah and a lot of other t-women are more comfortable being strict bottoms that's their choice and their business. I know if I wanted to be a bottom guy I would simply find a t-woman who is cool with that (and they do exist--there may not be many, but there are some out there) instead of telling a t-woman who is about to have The Operation to not do it (and if I have done that, I sincerely apologize and will not do that again) or otherwise berating one who is merely exercising her choice to receive pleasure as she sees fit.
Look, I know that it's difficult, and at times painful, to remember that t-women, like any other human being, do not merely exist as receptacles for our physical pleasure. I love looking at photos of goregous t-women and g-women and fantasizing about them as much as the next guy. I might become disappointed when a t-woman to whom I'm attracted expresses that she is bottom-only in the strictest possible sense or anounces that she is finally having The Operation. But I'll still be happy for her, and anyway, it's her life and her body.
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Originally Posted by bezane
Hi Peggy.....hope the Holiday season is a good one for you. This post is for you. I'm saying that because this is what I would say to only you in person and know that it will be unpopular here. I don't want to cause problems or argue about anything with people.
I'm not totally crazy about the way it was said but sucka makes some points.
I've come across many post op girls that have issues about "what they've done" as well as in purely gender/sexual terms being at the "bottom of the totem pole" in comparison to genetic girls.
That is truly what I have been told. By the same token, TS girls, especially many of the bombshells here, whether they like it or not, are at the very top of the totem pole. No GG can compete with them on diverse terms. No man can offer a complete feminine experience like they can.
There is also the issue of "the guys that are full of shit." Those are the ones that are worshipped by many TS girls because they are macho straight guys, that happened to "abandon" the notion of being with a GG because they happen to have met "the woman of their dreams" in a transsexual wrapper. How can this be?
The idea may suddenly appeal to them. And the taboo may drive their desire through the roof. But I'm not a kid here living in the closet, as many here know. The guys are NOW into Transsexuals. As inconvenient as that may be to someone's ego.
I'm also a total top. Really don't like the bottom AT ALL. But I do like every aspect of the TS body.
The debate over transsexualism often takes a MALE VS. FEMALE discourse. And often times the transitioning women become hyper-sensitive to the debate. They, due to society's ridiculous simplicity choose to be female and anything that hints male is met with disgust. And it baffles me that many TS women call guys that admire them faggots, cock worshippers, etc. but really believe their own boyfriend is some Macho Straight man in a steel jockstrap.
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade. Everyone is entitled to their feelings. But admirer's, especially one's that don't hide their feelings are a bit closer to normality than TS women that hate guys that like their cocks. That's not right. On this board due to shout downs they are supreme judges, but in the real world, no one is going to say that the cock hating TS lover is any better than the cock loving TS lover.
And why torture yourself. A TS woman, a real one, one that works hard to dazzle the world with her looks and well-adjusted attitude is so rare. Guys can't find them. But GG's are everywhere. So do TS women really believe that these unsuspecting men are really 100% unsuspecting? I know two guys very well, that date TS girls, great ones, one here on board, and they both told me they've always liked TS women but their current girlfriends think they are the first. No one gets hurt. Or do they?
Then the other debate. The one about hating men that want to suck their cocks. Do these girls like anal sex? Do all GG girls like anal sex? Why is one act an act of a faggot and the other is not. If I don't fuck my GG girlfriend's ass is that wrong?
Point being is that let make the question more complex. An ass is not a vagina. They are different. I go out with GG's mostly to get to their vagina's. And guess what, they have an ass too. So unless I admit loving the complexity and beauty of a TS girl, what the fuck do I need her for? If I love her that's one reason. But are we being naive enough to think that there is only one single person in the world for us and we happened to find them? And if that hits the skids, is that it. Never settle down again?
A TS girl here called me because she was in town. She is beautiful. She can date anyone. I was flattered. We hung out at a restaurant, then a bar, all mainstream on the Vegas strip and you couldn't tell her from any of the other 350,000 visiting GG women. What was enlightening was that she told me it was nice to be out with a guy that "knows." No stress. And yet she was really jived by the fact we weren't going to drag shows or tranny bars or gay bars. And when I asked her wasn't she wanting to meet a "straight guy?" She's a smart girl. She said if they don't know, when they find out they are gone. If they find out it is usually within a day that they get you into bed. Meaning, he knew, he's turned on by it, no hesitation. He changed his entire life on a dime. No discussion.
Of course we'll hear that many are wined and dined by "straight men" after they find out. They never look at TS porn the whole time because even after they knew they continued to be "straight men." Well in accordance with the laws of nature I guess i'm not straight. But in accordance with the laws between man and woman, I'm the real deal. But I still can't figure out why TS girls should hate me because I like them. And I can't figure out why they want to hide from the notion of what they are?
Yeah!!!!!
Great points. And it's an issue for me, too. Check out my blog on myspace.
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Re: In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.
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Originally Posted by peggygee
I've been fulltime 34 years, 23 as a pre op, going into my 11th as a post op.
I've done the wild thing with a fairly decent number of men. I've been
in LTRs, and short and medium length relationships.
I had a fairly large penis, but none of the men were too interested in it.
They never wanted to suck it, never wanted me to fuck them. Which was
cool because I didn't want to.
Like I said I'm no stranger to 'the life', but it seems like men have
changed, or did I miss something.
HA please fill me in. :?:
__________________________________________________ ___________
Well,
um.......
any chance we can put that baby back on? :P
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Re: In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.
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Originally Posted by ARMANIXXX
Quote:
Originally Posted by peggygee
I've been fulltime 34 years, 23 as a pre op, going into my 11th as a post op.
I've done the wild thing with a fairly decent number of men. I've been
in LTRs, and short and medium length relationships.
I had a fairly large penis, but none of the men were too interested in it.
They never wanted to suck it, never wanted me to fuck them. Which was
cool because I didn't want to.
Like I said I'm no stranger to 'the life', but it seems like men have
changed, or did I miss something.
HA please fill me in. :?:
__________________________________________________ ___________
Well,
um.......
any chance we can put that baby back on? :P
Armanixxx, if I didn't like you so much, I would curse you out
like only a Blck woman can.
But to answer your question.....
Hell 2 the no. :lol:
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Re: In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.
Quote:
Originally Posted by peggygee
I've been fulltime 34 years, 23 as a pre op, going into my 11th as a post op.
I've done the wild thing with a fairly decent number of men. I've been
in LTRs, and short and medium length relationships.
I had a fairly large penis, but none of the men were too interested in it.
They never wanted to suck it, never wanted me to fuck them. Which was
cool because I didn't want to.
Like I said I'm no stranger to 'the life', but it seems like men have
changed, or did I miss something.
HA please fill me in. :?:
Before I came to this site I had no idea that so many guys were into the Penis or bottoming with a TS. I don't know. I'm Not judging anyone. Maybe men are not as willing to be open about it in real life as they are on a site like this where they can be anonymous.
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Re: In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.
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Originally Posted by peggygee
Quote:
Originally Posted by ARMANIXXX
Quote:
Originally Posted by peggygee
I've been fulltime 34 years, 23 as a pre op, going into my 11th as a post op.
I've done the wild thing with a fairly decent number of men. I've been
in LTRs, and short and medium length relationships.
I had a fairly large penis, but none of the men were too interested in it.
They never wanted to suck it, never wanted me to fuck them. Which was
cool because I didn't want to.
Like I said I'm no stranger to 'the life', but it seems like men have
changed, or did I miss something.
HA please fill me in. :?:
__________________________________________________ ___________
Well,
um.......
any chance we can put that baby back on? :P
Armanixxx, if I didn't like you so much, I would curse you out
like only a Blck woman can.
But to answer your question.....
Hell 2 the no. :lol:
__________________________________________________ _________
Either way,
ARMANIXXX L3 peggygee
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Re: In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.
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Originally Posted by Rod la Rod
Quote:
Originally Posted by peggygee
I've been fulltime 34 years, 23 as a pre op, going into my 11th as a post op.
I've done the wild thing with a fairly decent number of men. I've been
in LTRs, and short and medium length relationships.
I had a fairly large penis, but none of the men were too interested in it.
They never wanted to suck it, never wanted me to fuck them. Which was
cool because I didn't want to.
Like I said I'm no stranger to 'the life', but it seems like men have
changed, or did I miss something.
HA please fill me in. :?:
Before I came to this site I had no idea that so many guys were into the Penis or bottoming with a TS. I don't know. I'm Not judging anyone. Maybe men are not as willing to be open about it in real life as they are on a site like this where they can be anonymous.
Yeh, that's what I wa trying to convey. I'm not condemning anyone for
what they like, it's just that in the real world I never knew of so many
cock-centric guys that were into transwomen.
The guys I knew wanted 'dat ass' or to get some head, not so much the
other way around.
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Re: In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.
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Originally Posted by ARMANIXXX
__________________________________________________ _________
Either way,
ARMANIXXX L3 peggygee
Do you think you could handle it? :wink:
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Re: In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.
Quote:
Originally Posted by peggygee
Do you think you could handle it? :wink:
__________________________________________________ _______
I'm a black man baby.
Real talk.
;)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by whatsupwithat
Quote:
Originally Posted by bezane
Hi Peggy.....hope the Holiday season is a good one for you. This post is for you. I'm saying that because this is what I would say to only you in person and know that it will be unpopular here. I don't want to cause problems or argue about anything with people.
I'm not totally crazy about the way it was said but sucka makes some points.
I've come across many post op girls that have issues about "what they've done" as well as in purely gender/sexual terms being at the "bottom of the totem pole" in comparison to genetic girls.
That is truly what I have been told. By the same token, TS girls, especially many of the bombshells here, whether they like it or not, are at the very top of the totem pole. No GG can compete with them on diverse terms. No man can offer a complete feminine experience like they can.
There is also the issue of "the guys that are full of shit." Those are the ones that are worshipped by many TS girls because they are macho straight guys, that happened to "abandon" the notion of being with a GG because they happen to have met "the woman of their dreams" in a transsexual wrapper. How can this be?
The idea may suddenly appeal to them. And the taboo may drive their desire through the roof. But I'm not a kid here living in the closet, as many here know. The guys are NOW into Transsexuals. As inconvenient as that may be to someone's ego.
I'm also a total top. Really don't like the bottom AT ALL. But I do like every aspect of the TS body.
The debate over transsexualism often takes a MALE VS. FEMALE discourse. And often times the transitioning women become hyper-sensitive to the debate. They, due to society's ridiculous simplicity choose to be female and anything that hints male is met with disgust. And it baffles me that many TS women call guys that admire them faggots, cock worshippers, etc. but really believe their own boyfriend is some Macho Straight man in a steel jockstrap.
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade. Everyone is entitled to their feelings. But admirer's, especially one's that don't hide their feelings are a bit closer to normality than TS women that hate guys that like their cocks. That's not right. On this board due to shout downs they are supreme judges, but in the real world, no one is going to say that the cock hating TS lover is any better than the cock loving TS lover.
And why torture yourself. A TS woman, a real one, one that works hard to dazzle the world with her looks and well-adjusted attitude is so rare. Guys can't find them. But GG's are everywhere. So do TS women really believe that these unsuspecting men are really 100% unsuspecting? I know two guys very well, that date TS girls, great ones, one here on board, and they both told me they've always liked TS women but their current girlfriends think they are the first. No one gets hurt. Or do they?
Then the other debate. The one about hating men that want to suck their cocks. Do these girls like anal sex? Do all GG girls like anal sex? Why is one act an act of a faggot and the other is not. If I don't fuck my GG girlfriend's ass is that wrong?
Point being is that let make the question more complex. An ass is not a vagina. They are different. I go out with GG's mostly to get to their vagina's. And guess what, they have an ass too. So unless I admit loving the complexity and beauty of a TS girl, what the fuck do I need her for? If I love her that's one reason. But are we being naive enough to think that there is only one single person in the world for us and we happened to find them? And if that hits the skids, is that it. Never settle down again?
A TS girl here called me because she was in town. She is beautiful. She can date anyone. I was flattered. We hung out at a restaurant, then a bar, all mainstream on the Vegas strip and you couldn't tell her from any of the other 350,000 visiting GG women. What was enlightening was that she told me it was nice to be out with a guy that "knows." No stress. And yet she was really jived by the fact we weren't going to drag shows or tranny bars or gay bars. And when I asked her wasn't she wanting to meet a "straight guy?" She's a smart girl. She said if they don't know, when they find out they are gone. If they find out it is usually within a day that they get you into bed. Meaning, he knew, he's turned on by it, no hesitation. He changed his entire life on a dime. No discussion.
Of course we'll hear that many are wined and dined by "straight men" after they find out. They never look at TS porn the whole time because even after they knew they continued to be "straight men." Well in accordance with the laws of nature I guess i'm not straight. But in accordance with the laws between man and woman, I'm the real deal. But I still can't figure out why TS girls should hate me because I like them. And I can't figure out why they want to hide from the notion of what they are?
Yeah!!!!!
Great points. And it's an issue for me, too. Check out my blog on myspace.
I agree with you two. :D
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coo coo
I hope you mean just by the guys you chose to date.
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I think things have changed
[quote="peggygee"]
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Originally Posted by OEMEnemyNum1
I'm in the old school bunch Peggy. Not interested here either
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Originally Posted by lust4ts
Maybe the guys you met weren't Cockbandits Peggy, I think the real world and HA ratio somewhat differs :wink:
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Originally Posted by AllanahStarr
I certainly have not been so lucky in my personal life as you. Dated a few size queens in disguise- which is always so dissapointing.
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it all comes down to accepting youself as a ts and not as someone wanting to be a woman, which is not to say that ts want to be like females and to be super female in their attitudes and dress, but if you are happy sporting a cock, tucked or erect, it is a good psycological level you have obtained.
Years back a lot of ts did not want to let you touch their cocks and would object if you did, but when a person is at peace with their own body, they can enjoy all aspects of sexual experience. I know this stuff is confusing to those who are going thru it, and adjustment may take time, but don't struggle, accept yourself and you preferences!
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Re: I think things have changed
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Originally Posted by helmetvonzeplin
it all comes down to accepting youself as a ts and not as someone wanting to be a woman
Excuse me?
People keep trying to put me in the boxes they like. My parents wanted me to be a man. You want me to be a third-gender. What about my opinion? What about my experience? What about my life?
You don't know what it's like to be born this way and you don't know what it's like to be me. You can never understand, you just judge.
This goes for all the guys out there like the ones who whine every time a TS gets her wings... err pussy.
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I'm not sure that things have changed so much. I've always been interested in a tgirls dick. In my limited experience, it not part of the anatomy they particularly want to show off and, in some instances, it's an area they wish wasn't there. I can't imagine being the bottom in a sexual relationship with a TS but it's obvious from HA posts that many guys do - which is fine.
30 years ago there were comparatively few guys openly gay. Now there are many more. Does that mean there are more gay guys now or just more being open about it?
Maybe it's the same with guys who are attracted to transsexuals. Perhaps the numbers haven't increased - just the openness.
Stereotyping is so dangerous in this area, but it seems that the majority of tgirls prefer to bottom although some will top if that's what their partner (or customer) wants. It's so dangerous to use labels...
Now I'll await all the posts from people who completely disagree with me :)
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Re: I think things have changed
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Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
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Originally Posted by helmetvonzeplin
it all comes down to accepting youself as a ts and not as someone wanting to be a woman
Excuse me?
People keep trying to put me in the boxes they like. My parents wanted me to be a man. You want me to be a third-gender. What about my opinion? What about my experience? What about my life?
You don't know what it's like to be born this way and you don't know what it's like to be me. You can never understand, you just judge.
This goes for all the guys out there like the ones who whine every time a TS gets her wings... err pussy.
reality check anyone? beeing put in boxes is how the world works. If you donīt pass as a "woman" in every day life and in a straight environment, say hi to the "freak"-signature.
You can surgically alter your body, and/or take hormones, but you will never be a natural born woman. Bear a child? Pelvic bones?
Wishful thinking doesnīt change the reality.
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"freak"-signature...... not sure what to think of that but I don't think you meant anything evil. Well I hope not anyways.
You are right though " You can surgically alter your body, and/or take hormones, but you will never be a natural born woman" and you are also right about" Wishful thinking doesnīt change the reality."
Of course I cannot be a natural born woman, I was born a male, as I grew and became older and more self aware, I realized I didn't identify as a male. My point is I don't and I don't know any other girl who just does "wishful thinking" I know you probably meant "wishful thinking" like wishing I was a gg, and not as an insult.
I do agree with Zoe 100% though. "People keep trying to put me in the boxes they like. My parents wanted me to be a man. You want me to be a third-gender. What about my opinion? What about my experience? What about my life?
You don't know what it's like to be born this way and you don't know what it's like to be me. You can never understand, you just judge.
This goes for all the guys out there like the ones who whine every time a TS gets her wings... err pussy."
I just have the attitude that nobody is going to tell me who I am, or how I should live. So I disagree with you saying "beeing put in boxes is how the world works." Since it's my life that I have to live, and I pay for my transition with my own fiancees, I don't really care what society thinks.
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Re: I think things have changed
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Originally Posted by mbf
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Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
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Originally Posted by helmetvonzeplin
it all comes down to accepting youself as a ts and not as someone wanting to be a woman
Excuse me?
People keep trying to put me in the boxes they like.
reality check anyone? beeing put in boxes is how the world works. If you donīt pass as a "woman" in every day life and in a straight environment, say hi to the "freak"-signature.
You can surgically alter your body, and/or take hormones, but you will never be a natural born woman. Bear a child? Pelvic bones?
Wishful thinking doesnīt change the reality.
First off, I said "the boxes they want". You want me to resign myself to being a third gender instead of a woman. I can only suppose that it's to accept my cock as permanent.
Here's a thought, rewind before I ever heard the word "transsexual" and ask my 8 year old self what I am. I would say, "girl". I wouldn't say, "I want to grow up to be a shemale porn star and fuck guys in the ass for money!" I thought being a girl wasn't that hard, I thought people would listen. Then I found out that while I had a penis, people would always consider me a boy. I was angry at God for making me a girl inn every way but what was between my legs. Every night, I cried myself to sleep, praying to wake up a normal girl. I came out as gay because that was the only word I knew. Finally, when I was 16, after two failed suicide attempts, I discovered there is a name for this and I met other people like me online and soon in real life. I found out about hormones and SRS and I was excited that I was going to finally be normal. Fast forward another six years and here I am, still half and half. But I have been able to try to live as normal as I can.
Even after SRS, I will still not be fully normal. You're right, I won't be able to bear my own children. You're right, plastic surgery can't make make my hips not suck. I will continue to be narrow-hipped, like my GG roommate...
Here's where you are wrong: I don't want to be a woman.
I am a woman.
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Re: I think things have changed
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Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
First off, I said "the boxes they want". You want me to resign myself to being a third gender instead of a woman. I can only suppose that it's to accept my cock as permanent.
yeah, right. I donīt care whatever you do. YOU put me in boxes actually. Face it, you love prejudice like anybody else. YOU are the one obsessed with genitalia, not me.
Not every guy on here is a cockhound, ever thought about that?
I knew a few trannies personally, face to face actually, and no matter if they were mainly in the activist/self-help group or in the escort/adult entertainment camp, I have encountered a great deal of delusion the last couple of years.
Yes, truth stings....
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Re: I think things have changed
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Originally Posted by mbf
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Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
First off, I said "the boxes they want". You want me to resign myself to being a third gender instead of a woman. I can only suppose that it's to accept my cock as permanent.
yeah, right. I donīt care whatever you do. YOU put me in boxes actually. Face it, you love prejudice like anybody else. YOU are the one obsessed with genitalia, not me.
Not every guy on here is a cockhound, ever thought about that?
I knew a few trannies personally, face to face actually, and no matter if they were mainly in the activist/self-help group or in the escort/adult entertainment camp, I have encountered a great deal of delusion the last couple of years.
Yes, truth stings....
helmetvonzeplin was talking about genitalia. That was his point. Keep and use your cock and you are "psychologically healthy", doesn't anyone consider the fact that we are being rational? Just because guys would die if they lost their cocks but we are willing to sacrifice it on the altar of social acceptance.
I put off transitioning for three years because of my parents' reaction and threats. I went from effemInate and openly gay to full of teenage angst and was very Queer, flaming and androgynous and everyone knew who I was throughout the high school. You know how sometimes straight folk say, "I don't mind gay people as long as they don't shove it down my throat."? Well, I shoved it down everyone's throat. After all the straight world shoves its agenda down my throat.
I wasn't very happy with this situation. If my parents had let me transition at any point, I would have gladly done it and turned out closer to their ideal anyway. But instead I was backed into a corner.
I knew my life was not sustainable. Femmy gay boys quickly lose their appeal with age and I would become yet another aging bar fly ala Buddy Cole. I wanted access to areas of heterosexual privilege. I've really always wanted a straight life. I largely have it now ~ I've lived in the women's dorms unquestioned, I've made out with plenty of straight boys (without telling), I've dated straight men including that ideal of a man I "turned". I am active in my church community, which is primarily straight, white, middle-class, older folk. I have so much straight privilege now, sometimes I've been left feeling like a sell-out. Although I will still defend gay rights and equality in secular society and the church, to most people I am just a young straight woman. I am happy being normal.
SRS will just serve to cement this. If it were possible, I'd marry a man without telling him, but these days it's far too easy to get outed. But I still believe I can have any man I put my mind to. I live in a relatively small town, I have no easy way of finding "chasers" so of course the guys I date are straight and normal. When I tell them I'm TS they either run away or not. I don't think this new guy will...
Sure, you can put labels on me, people do it to each other all the time. But "woman" is not in conflict with "transsexual".
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Re: I think things have changed
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Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
helmetvonzeplin was talking about genitalia. That was his point.
yes, and you were blatantly sugesting I am of the same opinion. Dead wrong.
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Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
I've dated straight men including that ideal of a man I "turned". I am active in my church community, which is primarily straight, white, middle-class, older folk. I have so much straight privilege now, sometimes I've been left feeling like a sell-out. Although I will still defend gay rights and equality in secular society and the church, to most people I am just a young straight woman. I am happy being normal.
SRS will just serve to cement this. If it were possible, I'd marry a man without telling him, but these days it's far too easy to get outed. But I still believe I can have any man I put my mind to. I live in a relatively small town, I have no easy way of finding "chasers" so of course the guys I date are straight and normal. When I tell them I'm TS they either run away or not. I don't think this new guy will...
Good example. The straight man "I turned".
You know, today EVERYONE knows at least trannies exist. So, if you "turn" a "straight" guy, he is at least "curious". Of course, this notion would get into the way you love to perceive your world so you will neglect it....
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Re: I think things have changed
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Originally Posted by mbf
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Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
helmetvonzeplin was talking about genitalia. That was his point.
yes, and you were blatantly sugesting I am of the same opinion. Dead wrong.
Yet that's not what you said. You reminded us that we are not the same as female-born women, as though we needed a reminder. You said the TS you have met have were "deluded". Is SRS just further playing into the "delusion", the lie, that we are women? What is the biggest mark of a transsexual? Not h height, her shoe size, but her penis. Without that, we are women in society.
Our society doesn't have a third gender. Even still, I think many transsexuals would refuse it. I was in a conversation a couple years ago with a 17yo trans guy and a queer woman. He said that he would not identify himself on a survey as an "FTM" as distinct from "male"/"man" if the option were presented. I agreed with him. This threw a wrench into the girl's "look at the diversity of genders" plan. I've met other guys like that, guys who refer to themselves as "transmen" or "FTM", and female-bodied genderqueer kids. MTFs are similar, but perhaps less diverse. Most trans people at my university are FTM.
I can't see being a wife and mother and still having a penis or explaining to my daughter that Mommy isn't a boy or a girl. We may be marginalized in society but that doesn't mean we need to accept that. Many of us transitioned in our teens and now we're seeing examples of transsexuals being allowed to live normally at very young ages. It's akin to the shift from smacking left-handed kids to working with them. You want to give these kids as much respect as anyone else and not stigmatize them. Would you remind the trans/intersexed kid that they are "freaks" and "deluded" if they think they are like "natural born women" ~ after all, they can't bear children and that's what gives a woman value and identity. Transsexuals are very devalued in society. Why do you think so many transkids attempt or commit suicide?
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Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
I've dated straight men including that ideal of a man I "turned".
Good example. The straight man "I turned".
You know, today EVERYONE knows at least trannies exist. So, if you "turn" a "straight" guy, he is at least "curious". Of course, this notion would get into the way you love to perceive your world so you will neglect it....[/quote]
Maybe he was curious. He denied it, saying that he wasn't bi-curious at all (he didn't really like men at all and had a tendency to get in fights with them, most of his friends were girls) and had never looked at tranny porn (although I did get him to watch one of Gia's movies with me to try to get him to see that part of me as sexy). I met him at school, he was a bit older than most people (26, I was 21), lonely and depressed. I sympathised with him and we grew emotionally close. He told me that he liked me, I had to tell him about my past and the fact that I have a penis. At this point most guys freak out and run away. But he didn't.
He was very awkward at first. I was more comfortable with my penis than he was. He went from not wanting me to get naked to actually stroking me off, though it took a few times. He lamented that I wasn't a normal girl because he loved me but we eventually broke up because he said he needed a girl he could make babies with. He said if I was post-op and I didn't tell him about my past, it would have gone on much longer. If I or a sterile GG married him without telling, he wouldn't divorce them and would accept adoption as a possibility.
I have no doubt he was telling the truth, we were always very open, honest and intimate. Maybe now he secretly has desires for tranny cock but I doubt it. He woulld have much rather have me in the body of a GG and so would I.
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Re: I think things have changed
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Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
You reminded us that we are not the same as female-born women, as though we needed a reminder. You said the TS you have met have were "deluded". Is SRS just further playing into the "delusion", the lie, that we are women? What is the biggest mark of a transsexual? Not h height, her shoe size, but her penis. Without that, we are women in society.
Would you remind the trans/intersexed kid that they are "freaks" and "deluded" if they think they are like "natural born women" ~ after all, they can't bear children and that's what gives a woman value and identity.
yes, because I think some of you need to be reminded. Feel free to add my to your shitlist, but I īve been dealing with that kind of stuff for too long to let it slip uncommented.
You just canīt have it all, and thatīs what is the delusional part, but carry on....
And donīt put words in my mouth that arenīt there, because I clearly never called anybody a "freak", thatīs just the reaction of someone who *thinks* she is woman enough to pull the stunt in everyday life, but just canīt. I am not the one to point a finger at this person, but it happens and you know it.
As to the parts about your current BF. Saying is one thing, believeing it another.... I rest my case cuz itīs obviously a lost cause, pipi longstockings
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Re: I think things have changed
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Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
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Originally Posted by helmetvonzeplin
it all comes down to accepting youself as a ts and not as someone wanting to be a woman
Excuse me?
People keep trying to put me in the boxes they like. My parents wanted me to be a man. You want me to be a third-gender. What about my opinion? What about my experience? What about my life?
You don't know what it's like to be born this way and you don't know what it's like to be me. You can never understand, you just judge.
This goes for all the guys out there like the ones who whine every time a TS gets her wings... err pussy.
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Originally Posted by mbf
You just canīt have it all, and thatīs what is the delusional part, but carry on....
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Originally Posted by Zoe
I wanted access to areas of heterosexual privilege. I've really always wanted a straight life. I largely have it now ~ I've lived in the women's dorms unquestioned, I've made out with plenty of straight boys (without telling), I've dated straight men including that ideal of a man I "turned". I am active in my church community, which is primarily straight, white, middle-class, older folk. I have so much straight privilege now, sometimes I've been left feeling like a sell-out. Although I will still defend gay rights and equality in secular society and the church, to most people I am just a young straight woman. I am happy being normal.
Zoe and Mischelle have stated the case quite well, we as transwomen can
indeed be the captains of our own ships, and Mistresses of our destiny.
Many, many of us are able to assimilate into mainstream society.
We are employed in every segment of society, be it white, pink, blue, or
grey collar.
We all are not the shemale fetish objects that so many on this forum lust after.
There is more than one criteria to determine the womanhood of someone.
Following GRS, in most jurisdictions a post op woman can be adjudicated
a female.
In my instance the federal, state and local governments deem me female.
My academic degrees have been conferred in my legal female name and
gender.
I work in a mainstream occupation, go to a regular mainstream church to
worship, ergo socially I function as a mainstream female, and have for
decades
Thus to attempt to keep us in the 'tranny ghetto' because currrently we
can not bear children is a specious argument at best.
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I may have answered this (thought I don't think so & I admit to be too lazy to go throught the pages) either way here ya ago (again maybe lol)
Your Aura - Good an answer as any
Your letting your lovers know what you life - Best answer that matches reality
Men being different - They can't handle the truth. I've seen this very discussion on other board/forums/websites that aren't limited to hook ups and pics. The reality is that many 'new' men are interested in spreading their legs for the 'new' woman as some Transwomen are expressing themselves as. This is met with what I've seen as an incredible increase in Transwomen that are interested in spreading the legs of men.
I'm old school. But then again, I'm not out there polling the public either.
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Brickcitybrother
"The world is turning ... into what is the question."
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Re: In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.
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Originally Posted by peggygee
I've been fulltime 34 years, 23 as a pre op, going into my 11th as a post op.
I've done the wild thing with a fairly decent number of men. I've been
in LTRs, and short and medium length relationships.
I had a fairly large penis, but none of the men were too interested in it.
They never wanted to suck it, never wanted me to fuck them. Which was
cool because I didn't want to.
Like I said I'm no stranger to 'the life', but it seems like men have
changed, or did I miss something.
I think what changed is the huge increase in transgender porn. It's become increasingly popular, and men see it, and want to try it. That's how I got interested in TGs, at first.
HA please fill me in. :?:
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Thank you Miss Peggy for this:
"Zoe and Mischelle have stated the case quite well, we as transwomen can
indeed be the captains of our own ships, and Mistresses of our destiny.
Many, many of us are able to assimilate into mainstream society.
We are employed in every segment of society, be it white, pink, blue, or
grey collar.
We all are not the shemale fetish objects that so many on this forum lust after.
There is more than one criteria to determine the womanhood of someone.
Following GRS, in most jurisdictions a post op woman can be adjudicated
a female.
In my instance the federal, state and local governments deem me female.
My academic degrees have been conferred in my legal female name and
gender.
I work in a mainstream occupation, go to a regular mainstream church to
worship, ergo socially I function as a mainstream female, and have for
decades
Thus to attempt to keep us in the 'tranny ghetto' because currrently we
can not bear children is a specious argument at best. "
Zoeie it dosn't matter what others think sweetie, I am sure you know this, just a little reminder. You be yourself and I will be myself, well even though we don't know each other I am sending you some luv.
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Originally Posted by mischelle
Thank you Miss Peggy for this:
"Zoe and Mischelle have stated the case quite well, we as transwomen can
indeed be the captains of our own ships, and Mistresses of our destiny.
Many, many of us are able to assimilate into mainstream society.
We are employed in every segment of society, be it white, pink, blue, or
grey collar.
We all are not the shemale fetish objects that so many on this forum lust after.
There is more than one criteria to determine the womanhood of someone.
Following GRS, in most jurisdictions a post op woman can be adjudicated
a female.
In my instance the federal, state and local governments deem me female.
My academic degrees have been conferred in my legal female name and
gender.
I work in a mainstream occupation, go to a regular mainstream church to
worship, ergo socially I function as a mainstream female, and have for
decades
Thus to attempt to keep us in the 'tranny ghetto' because currrently we
can not bear children is a specious argument at best. "
Zoeie it dosn't matter what others think sweetie, I am sure you know this, just a little reminder. You be yourself and I will be myself, well even though we don't know each other I am sending you some luv.
Thank you as well Mischelle. :wink:
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Sending you some luv also Miss Peggy
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Re: In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.
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Originally Posted by peggygee
I've been fulltime 34 years, 23 as a pre op, going into my 11th as a post op.
I've done the wild thing with a fairly decent number of men. I've been
in LTRs, and short and medium length relationships.
I had a fairly large penis, but none of the men were too interested in it.
They never wanted to suck it, never wanted me to fuck them. Which was
cool because I didn't want to.
Like I said I'm no stranger to 'the life', but it seems like men have
changed, or did I miss something.
HA please fill me in. :?:
I'm 21 and no woman ever wanted mine :cry:
so I can "kinda" sympathize
love ya Peggy
Ben
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Re: In 34 years no man ever wanted my penis.
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Originally Posted by bulldog
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Originally Posted by peggygee
I've been fulltime 34 years, 23 as a pre op, going into my 11th as a post op.
I've done the wild thing with a fairly decent number of men. I've been
in LTRs, and short and medium length relationships.
I had a fairly large penis, but none of the men were too interested in it.
They never wanted to suck it, never wanted me to fuck them. Which was
cool because I didn't want to.
Like I said I'm no stranger to 'the life', but it seems like men have
changed, or did I miss something.
HA please fill me in. :?:
I'm 21 and no woman ever wanted mine :cry:
so I can "kinda" sympathize
love ya Peggy
Ben
Ben trust me when I tell you that when you least expect it Ms. Right
will pop up out of nowhere.
Be good to each other. :wink:
Peg...
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Originally Posted by
peggygee
I've been fulltime 34 years, 23 as a pre op, going into my 11th as a post op.
I've done the wild thing with a fairly decent number of men. I've been
in LTRs, and short and medium length relationships.
I had a fairly large penis, but none of the men were too interested in it.
They never wanted to suck it, never wanted me to fuck them. Which was
cool because I didn't want to.
Like I said I'm no stranger to 'the life', but it seems like men have
changed, or did I miss something.
HA please fill me in. :?:
I find that pretty much impossible
