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I'm curious, Mac Hine. Where do you get your news from? Just a question.
What do you know about my mindset? Because I think people should be able to what they want without fear of government oppression (fines) or bullying from POWERFUL lobbyists?Quote:
Originally Posted by Realgirls4me
You're going off into territories that require more thought than a shemale pron site deserves, but it's just as plausible that sharpton or jackson exploited those situations rather than contributing positively to them. Only they will know for sure, and with both of their racially insensitive track records, I'd put my money on exploitation.
Not sure why you assume I'm white, not that it's any of your business, or that it's of any relevance. This is the internetz, we're all imaginary people.
And just because I don't use racial slurs, it doesn't mean that I think they should be outlawed. But being a moonshine swilling redneck , what do I know?
Internetz, various newspapers. Anyone who watches any CNN or MSNBC has no right to berate Fox. It's all basically the same shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Realgirls4me
What on the internet? Give me some specifics if you don't mind?
I'm outta here for now.
www.zmag.org is a good place to start. Lotsa links, interesting bloggers, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Realgirls4me
its funny i didnt even find out about this until today because i was sitting in a bar and it came on the news. my only thought was they are just words it doesnt hurt until a dictionary, encyclopedia, or thesarus or some such think book slaps you across the face...i mean imus is a shock jock. that implies that hes gonna say somethign that pisses somebody off. and everyones so goddamn PC nowadays that to do his job hes gotta go "there". it just seems like in these days of throwing people out of windows ,dragging them behind trucks, nd government conspiracys or whatever you want to add that it would take more than a few words to rile everybody up
a close friend told me once it should only offend if it applies
thank you for letting me vent, return to whatever you were doing before i wasted your time
Al Sharpton: Comedy Critic and Dictator
Jeff Norman
How sad to see Don Imus submit to a ridiculous verbal assault by the not so nappy-headed Al Sharpton, who thinks Imus should be fired from his CBS Radio and MSNBC television jobs for having told an edgy joke. As nothing about these employers is really the issue here, Sharpton presumably would also object to another outfit hiring Imus.
That's fair. One controversial comment, and kiss your career goodbye. Maybe all comedians who offend the portly preacher should be banished from show business.
Sharpton contends Imus should be held to a higher standard than, say, Chris Rock, because Imus frequently interviews politicians. Seriously. That's Sharpton's position. In the world according to Al, performers whose work is racist or sexist are allowed to earn a living, unless and until they host a show that books elected representatives or candidates as guests on the program.
I say Al Sharpton is a racist, because he's imposing a requirement on a white performer that he has not imposed on any black performer. Furthermore, I am in GREAT MENTAL ANGUISH about this matter. In fact, it would not be enough for Sharpton to apologize. No, the pain is far too great. The only acceptable remedy is for Sharpton to be relieved of his radio gig and to have his left testicle removed by an alligator. I know it sounds harsh, but that's what I need. I'm upset, I'm lusting for Al to be tormented, and nothing else matters.
Did I mention how shocked and distressed I am?
Author's bio-
Jeff Norman is the Director of U.S. Tour of Duty (USTOD), a non-profit project that supports and promotes the anti-war advocacy of Iraq veterans, military families, policy experts, activists, and performers by organizing public forums, producing video news segments, and maintaining a website (www.ustourofduty.org). USTOD is also making a documentary called "Amazing Disgrace: The Betrayal of Soldiers and their Families." Jeff is a former writer-comedian-producer who has supported freedom of expression causes for many years. His USTOD work now focuses on disseminating important information that is otherwise ignored or distorted.
That's just one guys bias opinion about sharpton from those jokes its hard to tell he was a former comedian.
The notion that he unfairy targets only whites is laughable im sure he holds blacks up to the same standards didn't he not to long ago asked blacks to stop using the n word,people like norman should stop using the same old excuse and just comment on the subject at hand.
From progressive columnist Taylor Marsh:
"Imus's purposeful slander against the Rutgers team is nothing different than what black rap artists do to women every day in studios and on CDs across this country. Some female rap artists join in. Now everyone is recalibrating and looking inward. Yesterday Jesse Jackson had the audacity to come after MSNBC for not having a black anchor that has producers and writers and a staff, all the while David Gregory repeated more than twice that Alison Stewart is an African American with her own show. Jackson ignored it. Why? Because Stewart is a black woman and she doesn't count? Was Jackson making another point, pushing his own agenda? Nah, that would never happen. Never mind that Alison Stewart is one of the most talented women in cable news today. Yet yesterday on Hardball Jackson ignored that she indeed has her own show no matter how many times Gregory said it. Why? Women are never given their due and the higher we rise the worse it becomes for us all, especially when we criticize one type of slander while ignoring another."
Same old excuse they are doing it so it's ok,it's funny how all the attention is moving away from imus to sharpton and jackson.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefmike
LMFAO...The difference between he and you, Legend, is as simple as you are....Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
While he had to work at making people laugh, people just laugh at you, don't they...
There was nothing funny or edgy about the Imus quote. It was a stupid racist comment. Just deal with it like an adult.
Quote:
Originally Posted by chefmike
it's a very weird standard................
The majority of the top-selling rap artists in the U.S. are African-American and in many of their circles calling a broad a "ho" is in no way as bad as someone outside their race calling a woman within their same race a "ho"
kinda crazy, same effect as the dreaded "n" word, go figure
it's not right at all, but that's how it's played..................
I'm sure after people read his bias article he will be laugh at as well,who the fuck makes testicle jokes.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefmike
Think about living with the first amendment this way... Conjure up the most vile, disgusting, denigrating thing someone could say about you. Then, learn to live with hearing that all day every day. Once you wrap your brain around that, you'll understand that the price of freedom of speech, is having to occasionally put up with hearing something you'd rather not.
As for those calling for Imus's job, well that decision rests entirely with his boss, and only his boss.
If you don't like Imus, don't listen
If you don't like his bosses decsion, then don't spend your time or money on their product.
So we should all just play along? The double standard is bull. No words should be censored or worse separated into an "ok for group A but not group B" scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel
Legend, what can I say?Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
Except that you still remain the epitome of a testicle joke, of course...
I can't remember once in this thread where I said or subliminally suggested that any of us should just play along.Quote:
Originally Posted by biguy4tvtscd
You haven't.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel
And if I may...nor is that the the JWBL that we have known here in this forum...hell, he's almost to the right of Alan Keyes... :lol:
Awwwwwwwwwwwwww cmon, I can't be that far off from my sarcastic, evil, cut-throat self
as i read this i can't help but laugh at the people that think jackson or sharpton are on the up and up.
if you think these guys are around for the good of society....you have not been around long enough....don't care if you are black, white, yellow....whatever
ROBBERS
Yeah, yeah, attack the messenger, and the people they usually take on are really on the up and up, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by ILuvGurls
I have a Q for the African-American members..
When a black man call another man a "nigga" or says he is nappy headed or what have you...its ok.
When a white man says it,he's a the scum of the earth and needs to be immediately silenced....or has a serious ass kicking coming.
When a rap artist says things like:
Give me a black goddess sister I can't resist her. No stringy haired, blonde
hair, blue eyed, pale skinned buttermilk complexion. Grafted, recessive,
depressive, ironing board backside straight up and straight down. No
frills, no thrills, Miss six o'clock, subject to have the itch, mutanoid,
caucazoid, white cave bitch...
[Verse One: Ice Cube]
Ease back white bitch, I don't play that
Just because I got on my L.A. hat
Stalkin' walking in my big black boots
Is my jingle, now you want Mandingo
Big, black and handsome
I should hold your devil ass for ransome
Sorta like Patty Herst, but I'll burst first bitch
And you know what's worse
I'm coming from the land where the choppers roam
So phuck you bitch and your Coppertone
Stringy hair - no derrier - frontin' and fakin' with your silicone pair
Do I wanna phuck? Not hardly
That's kinda like Barbie phuckin' Bob Marley
It ain't gonna happen, I keep rappin'
Muthaphuck Teniell, but see I'm the Captain of this ship
And I'm true to the game
Ya all look the same
Standin' by my backstage door, hopin' that'll switch
Spread out you little cave bitch
[Verse Two: Ice Cube]
Why everytime we get famous
You wanna play us like Andy and Amos?
The devil sent you to try and tame us
But you can't tame me, with no bitch named Amy
Lookin' for the dark meat
But ho, I ain't tryin' to go out like Barkely
Cuz everytime I turn on the TV
I see several brothers with she-devils
Smilin' cuz you out on a date
But sooner or later, the bitch'll yell rape
Soon as daddy found out you a jigaboo
He'll kill like he did Emmitt Till
Yah, he tried to kick bass
But the bitch probably threw it in his face
Sargent Bale ain't nothin' but a trick
Nasty as hell, stanky little cave bitch
[Verse Three:]
Now don't think that I hate you
Cuz I won't date you, bitch I gotta stay true
You can be a fan, but don't expand
And try to get my dick in your hand
You better run to the minute man
Pale as snow, so act like y'know
Cuz if I slap it, flip it, and rub it like that
Yeah, it gotta be black
Plus yo ass too flat
I need a butt big enough that can clap
Rat-a-tat-tat
You can't get mine ho
I'd rather phuck an albino
Atleast I know, she's comin' from the Nubian
And not the Ku Klux Klan that you be in
And I don't give a fuck if your family is rich
You're still a little cave bitch
its okay,its funny it sells millions yet Imus comments equal him to the devil.
African Americans make the call for equality,yet through their lifestyle,vocabulary,culture and behaviour they show a complete and total double standard.Whats good and OK for us aint okay for you....
Q: How can blacks expect equality when its rubbed in the faces of white america that they can exist and behave on a level that no white dare tread upon.Its a double standard...it cannot be both.
Double Standards LOL why do people continue to use that excuse,they say it so thats our excuse for saying it.
Their is no double standards blacks or whites shouldn't use the n word or any other racial insult,address the current problem don't look for excuses.
Damn....you nailed it DJ_Asia
Actually yes......there is a article,an editorial which say that Al Sharpton has led boycotts and went to the producers and distributers of the filthy rap lyrics.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnb
I can find the link if you like.
By the way republican.....I just walked past two white guys in a rural town who refer to each other as "nigga".........PERFECT.
Legend,Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
There are many acts in this world that "shouldnt" take place yet they do.You cannot skew the rules to meet your fantasy...you must deal the hand you were dealt.People say the N word all the time...whites and blacks...for one its cool...for another its not...thats UN-EQUAL...no matter what slant you reflect it against.
Each of these issues are interconnected and to deal w/ racism is to deal with entire spectrum from both sides.
I can't speak for the blacks here, and won't try to, but as one who grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood, and whose best friend happens to be African-American, I feel I can offer insight that ones growing up in a lily white neighborhood or have never had any close African-American friends can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Asia
Your questions have to do with Private versus Public language. Whatever jargon, lexicon, vocabulary, slang, speech, etc., they or any minority has between them is theirs to run roughshod over with FIRST. Some of it eventually crosses into the mainstream, but some of it doesn't, e.g., Nigga, Nigger. Imus is white, and one identified as from the party of power and privilege historically, so that's a double whammy to say the least and verbotten. He shouldn't joke around with terms that even black leaders such as Sharpton and Jackson have decried and have been at work to remove.
Unless you are from a race that has been historically oppressed in this country, or have been followed in a store simply because of your color, you aren't likely to understand.
Unisex,Quote:
Originally Posted by Unisex
I understand the context/usage thoughts you provide,yet that doesnt address the Q I posed....which is...
Regardless of reasoning or justification how can one group call for equality when they fail to offer it to opposing group on all fronts?
That's basically how i look at it no one should be able to dictate and try to excuse what is offensive unless you have been what these races have been through jewish,black people etc.Unless you have been through what they have you shouldn't ask why is it offensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Realgirls4me
Ok let me explain it to you non-blacks out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamer
There are VERY few BLACK talk show hosts out there......thats why you have to compare a white talk show host such as rush or michael savage or Imus to a COMEDIAN or athlete.
Its not the same.
Imus bring in hundreds of MILLIONS of dollars in ad revenue to CBS and NBC which is why he hasnt been fired over past transgressions.
Tim Hardaways comments were almost UNIVERSALLY panned......except by the NAACP ironicly.
But to compare Tim Hardaway or Mel Gibson or even Michael Richards to a talk show host........its not applicable and if you cant understand that I cant help you.
It's a way of getting back at the man by twisting his words and using it against him. See it? A black calling another black "nigga" is not unlike calling him a comrad of sorts. Their call for equality is still in play, and you are not likely to see African-Americans who have made it in this system referring to one another in such terms. See it?Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Asia
felicia katt wrote the best response to this, but somehow i got distracted looking and her pics below, and i can't remember what she said
Will you white folk out there EVER own up to your racism and bigotry?
Im not the biggest fan or Jesse or AL but the reason they exist is because there is NO white leader who looks out for the interest of black people...............EVEN NOW IN 2007!
Im sorry......you people are delusional.
I listen to talk show hosts.......white ones who question people patriotism and manjood over this Iraq issue but have never themselves enlisted in the army.
Dick Cheney had 5 FUCKING DEFEREMENTS!
The airwaves are PUBLIC PROPERTY!
We own them therefore we ALL have a say about what is broadcast over them.
I watched larry king tonight and he was an EMBARRASSMENT!
He is good friends with the bosses at these stations and instead of treating his black guests with nuetrality his interview was conducted with a tone akin to an interrogation!
EMBARRASING!
The women on the RUTGERS basketball team are the VICTIMS here not Imus........he is NOT the victim of some PC witch hunt!
He called Serena and Venus Williams "animals" and said it would be more fitting to see them in the pages of National Geograpic than Playboy.
Imus has a long and sordid history of epithets against Jews and women too.
I am so tired of white racism..........
If something(god forbid) where to happen to Imus it would be his bosses fault because of his LONG history of make these disgusting comments.
By the way in reference to rap music.
The same "bosses" who own the media companies also own the record companies and ALL they care about it the buck.
Case in point.
You all remember the Public Enemy flap with member "Professor Grif"?
He made so derogatory comments about jews.....there was an uproar in the jewish community.
I was living in the projects at the time and the guys at the record store were saying "those jews will never let another album of theirs drop".
Well soon enough the album dropped.
Why?
Because in this instance the affected community OWNED the rights to Public Enemies music and were making money from it.
The "check righters" in hip hop are almost all jewish........go check......
I do not however give blacks who produce rap music with filthy lyrics a pass.
I think 90 percent of hip hop is garbage.
My last couple of hip hop records I purchased were made by white guys.........PREFUSE and RDJ2.
not suprisingly the solution to racism will not be uncoverd on HA today :jawdrop
Where should I start here? I honestly don't think most of the white community can understand the complex nature of the African-American community.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Asia
The current problems that Black America has is due to the oppressive nature of a white run government. Black America has never been on equal grounds with white America. When we had strong leaders, they were murdered. Martin Luther King...Malcolm X (who was going to team-up with King before he was murdered). The only real support from white leaders were JFK, and his brother. The ghetto was flooded with drugs, and guns. You just can't make simple claims here people. It's a sociology issue now. You can't even expect change until you break the cycle. The schools in the hood are underfunded, and you expect change? There are factions that don't want to see any positive changes. There are plenty of black people that don't even take part of the so-called lifestyle that everyone wants to group us in.
What you see in the media people is not a correct interpretation of African- Americans in this country.
Black music is not even controlled by Black America. Corporate companies want certain types of music to sell. BET (the black cable station) has a play list made by corporations. That is why you will not see the Underground videos pushing for social change. It is out there. Then you have artists who decide they have to put out a certain type of music. If they want to be on BET and MTV they must sound the way they do. White America purchases more rap music than the African-American community. When groups like NWA were going on tour, who do you think were buying the expensive tour jackets?
By the way, the Ice Cube song is old, and recorded during his Nation of Islam days. Don't group all Black people with the Nation. The Nation has some racist beliefs in their interpretation of Islam. I will also say that all the members of the Nation aren't racist. The world is complicated. You can't simplify things.
White America is blind to the truth, or just doesn't get it. It's sad to read some of these comments. I'm a college educated Black male, and you don't know the pain and struggles I've dealt with. I just think the..."well they can say it" excuse is a bunch of bs with some people. What I really hear is that they want to cal me a "nigger". They rather see me in a field picking cotton before they see me selling art in a gallery...or writing research papers.
I don't know. I'm not a great debater, but just know that there's more to the Black community issues than you seem to realize.
Blow me you fag. Where were they when they had the riots at Madison Square Garden a few weeks ago during the high school basketball tournament? Where were they when the black dude pulled a Joe Frazier on the ninety year old women in the foyer of her building a few weeks ago. You didn't hear a peep from them! But a fucking DJ makes a stupid comment and their all over it. Give me a break. Jesse Hackson and Al Sharpton are nappy headed ho's in it for their own image ONLY! And they could give two fucks for the black community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
Jesus Christ, they're as much political whores as all the white guys! This is the reality of things.
Sorry, Legend you keep changing your avatar. You are not a fag! but the rest of my post stands. I still like you.
your posts literally make my head hurtQuote:
Originally Posted by Legend
i need to ask an honest question here. i have read most of this thread, and didn't see it addressed yet...
why is it (and this is only what i have seen, it may not be true) that blacks are the only culture that constantly puts the hyphen before "American" to describe themselves?
you will never hear a black man saying he is an "American", it always has to be "African-American"
I doubt you are around any "African-Americans". We usually don't even use that term. It's a label. I'm black. "African-American" is commonly used when dealing with the media, so that's why you usually just hear that term.Quote:
Originally Posted by tubgirl