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Thugs that I allow to roam about the middle east. Need I remind you that I live in Chicago and have earned money through erotic entertainment? :-?
Somehow I do not think I want to get anywhere near the Palestinian territories. A bit too poor and rough for me right now.
OTOH if Prez. Amenijad wanted me to help his country realize it's goal of clean greenhouse gas free Nuclear power I would go to his country. I would at least consider such a job offer.
I think you'd soon find yourself unemployed.
Iran has lied about it's nuclear program before.... many, many times.
Reason to believe they will again.... or they are.
The palestinians allow the thugs of Hezbollah and misc Infitada cronies to roam their streets and jeapordize the safety of the general public.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrendaQG
The palestinians should be marching against the intifada faggots.
Really? I guess we have a different meaning for the word conservative. To me, it means fiscal responsibility, thriftiness, planning for the future. The Republican party abandoned all pretense to any of that when Reagan was elected. The attached graph is easily verifiable; the information can be gleaned from the US Department of the Treasury's web site and there are a number of inflation calculators on the web for correcting the yearly dollar amounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
Not necessarily:Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
He balanced the budget
Started the EPA (protect the environment)
Instituted the minimum wage
Started Affirmative Action (make it easier for minorities to get jobs)
Ended American involvement in Vietnam
Got the SALT Treaty signed
Normalized relations with Communist China
Started OSHA (protect workers from dangerous working conditions)
Intermediated in the middle east conflict and helped stop the carnage in Israel for a time
Indexed social security for inflation.
Created Supplemental Security Income (SSI).
Was Nixon a great man? No. Was he a great president? He could have been one of the best presidents the US ever had, but he got corrupted by power. It's too bad that he apparently turned evil toward the end of his time in office. That's what most people remember him for, rather than his monumental accomplishments.
As far as the graph below, it shows the neocon approach to getting votes: Borrow and Spend like a MOTHERFUCKER! Almost all dollars spent by the US government are spent on US goods and services, which stimulates the economy. Keeping taxes low helps that as well. The problem is that borrowing more and more money every year doesn't "fix" the economy, it just hides the problems.
The national debt can't continue the way that it has been, and at this point a catastrophic economic collapse is pretty much inevitable for the US. The debt is only one factor in that collapse; the other is the petrodollar which, when it loses its exclusivity will cause a dramatic drop in the dollar's value; along with China releasing their three trillion in US currency into the global economy this will cause the dollar to implode.
I knew this would eventually get long winded...anyway, my answer to the ORIGINAL question is yes.
Seconded.Quote:
Originally Posted by dgtlmstry
Great post.... I completely share your assessment of this nation's imperiled underlying economic fundamentals. The fact is a large part of my investment strategy is based on that eventuality. While I strongly prefer that the aforementioned collapse not to take place, if I can't stop it, I'm damn sure going to profit handsomely form it. One non-word: cha-ching!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyshemalelover
-Quinn
religion is child abuse when the parents abuse it themselves aka muslums abuse it more then any other race they seem to think its ok to drive a plane into the world trade centre and kill as many humans as possable so they can be closer to god,catholics as a rule force religeon down there kids throats and wonder why there boys all fucked up cause the priest sexually abused them,this happens alot more than we think.but hey everyone has a god we say thanks to and pray to, the simple truth of the matter is the bible isnt perfect nor accurate yet when we are dying or our loved ones are dying we look up above and pray that there is someone up there listening to us at our time of need and yet for the most part it seems only too often that our prayers go unheard and we are left to greive in anger, saddness and a tottal loss of our senses for awhile,so ya i have a god i pray to but it may not be the one you, him, her or anyone else has but shes there for me when i need her and i dont push her on my kids like most would,they will find there god in time and it will be a wonderfull thing
Firstly, Muslims are not a race, and secondly, just as there are violent Islamic sects, there are violent Christian sects, even to this day. Never forget that the Ku Klux Klan considers itself to be a Christian organization, and that the Church of Jesus Christ Christian is a white supremacist organzation which has no problems rectifying those two ideologies. I stay out of these types of discussions to avoid getting worked up, but having gotten to know real Muslims, and not the whack jobs such as those responsible for 9/11, I find it difficult to sit back and remain silent when their religion is besmirched by people who don't know what its basic tenets are, and somehow jump to the conclusion that Islam is intrinsically violent. Like any religion, taken in parts Islam can be twisted to support the most inhuman acts... but let's remember, as I've said, that this is like any religion. If we do not know the subject matter on which we are speaking very well, seeing as how millions have adopted it as their faith, perhaps we should reconsider before blasting it as if it is something as ludicrous as Scientology. That's all I've got...Quote:
Originally Posted by lisaparadise
Whoo-boy, this is an old thread!Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinn
There are several aspects to politics. I still assert that the Republicans' social policies changed in the 80s under Reagan, even though financially the once stable Republican way of balancing the budget only went haywire under Reagan (with his ridiculous 'Star Wars' strategic defense systems) and later Bushes I and (especially) II.
As for Nixon, yes he turned evil. To me that kind of negates all his other accomplishments, though many were commendable at the time. As a president, the US has had much worse (you don't need look past the current one for an example), but as a man, I'd say he was a shit.
And, having said that, China definitely is rising as a global power and Europe has got her act together. I doubt the US will be in such a position of financial or military power as it is now in 5-10 years time.
And the best selling saloon cars in the US are Japanese made, whereas in Europe and Asia, nobody buys American cars. That could be a sign of the times and a warning of what is to come ahead.
What does this have to do with circumcision?
Not sure. I can't remember how party politics came into it in the first place and it's too long to read through it all again. These threads move in mysterious ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by guyone
It's a pretty old thread. I just felt like responding to a recent comment relating to something I posted from God knows when. I wouldn't pay it too much attention, really- don't know why the thread was brought back to life, but it's been shunted into the politics section from the general discussion forum, so here it is. I think Monica was the first poster (she's since been banned- twice).
well em isnt the post called is religeon child abuse?Quote:
Originally Posted by guyone
I agree with the position that Republican fiscal policies took a truly unfortunate turn during the Regan era. Cutting taxes to stimulate spending, thereby increasing revenue (the Lauffer Curve), isn't without its merits from a strictly economic standpoint, but doing so when you have massive deficits (because spending is out of control) on a continuous basis – not just to spend your way out of a recession/depression as Keynes advocated – is as ruinous a policy as any seen in Latin America during the 70s.Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
Add to this the problem of a steadily depreciating dollar – with the result that that both foreign investors and governments are now rapidly diversifying away from dollar denominated assets and the US economy as a whole – and you have a recipe for disaster. Keep in mind, I haven’t even addressed the deleterious economic effects of this nation’s unfunded liabilities or unchecked illegal immigration, both of which will add to the severity of any future economic downturn.
Here’s the problem. Business cycles (Schumpeter, etc.) are an integral part of a free market economy. Recessions, and even depressions, are necessary to even out the disequilibriums that develop in a nation’s economy during periods of growth. Unfortunately, today no presidential administration, Democratic or Republican, wants a recession or depression to occur on its watch because said event usually results in their losing the White House. Congressional majorities can also be affected. The result has been the implementation of reckless policies designed to continually postpone a recession/depression (not on my watch). These policies, which serving the short-term good, are disastrous from a long-term perspective. Historic examples abound.
-Quinn
This thread was initially J's, LG.Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
This "J" you speak of... Was he what you'd call a "good" guy, or no? I only ask because Kriss seems convinced that I am "J", and I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing, though ultimately I suppose it doesn't really matter, as I'm not "J" anyway... On second thought, nevermind.
Alright, I see that NYCe popped in and gave me my new rank! Thanks, NYCe! You da man!!
Yes, I think you're right...Whatever happened to him? (aside from- I suppose- being banned or wiping out his account). It was an interesting debate, actually...Quote:
Originally Posted by chefmike
As for passing 5000 and getting a new rank, all I can say is : :claps . But "Junkyard Dog"...? Aren't they supposed to be mean old animals? I believe that it was Jim Croce who sang:
And it's bad, bad Leroy Brown
The baddest man in the whole damned town
Badder than old King Kong
And meaner than a junkyard dog
Although, sadly, Leroy Brown gets the shit kicked out of him by the end of that song. So I'm not sure what NYCe was thinking there... :D
American cars? Are there actually any American cars anymore? Several "foreign" cars are made in the USA, many if not most "American" cars are made in Canada, Mexico or overseas, and even the "American" cars that are assembled in America are put together mostly by robots from parts made in foreign countries. But this all supports your point, of course. US goods and services are too expensive even for American citizens; the US isn't globally competitive anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
There's more. I tend to be long-winded so I've broken it down.
If this has been discussed before, I wasn't aware of it.
1. In Vietnam, one of the largest militaries ever was unable to defeat a third-world country. This is for the simple reason of guerrilla fighters. You can't fight what you can't see, the only way to wipe out the guerrillas is to kill everyone old enough to carry a pipe bomb, and that's not workable.
2. The Vietnam failure was noted by some people in the mideast.
3. When Russia (which had the biggest military in the world at that time) invaded Afghanistan (a very weak country), mideasterners from all around went there and employed guerrilla tactics. Not to defeat Russia, but to prevent them from winning and to make their occupation as expensive as possible. After ten years, Russia went bankrupt. The arms race helped bankrupt Russia but the war in Afghanistan helped a hell of a lot as well.
4. Those mideasterners who helped Afghanistan (they're now known as al Qaeda) eventually became fed up with US-backed dictatorships, occupation and military aggression in the Mideast, decided to do the same thing to the US: draw the country into an unwinnable war in order to drain its economy and bankrupt it.
5. 9/11 as a result of #4.
6. The US obliges al Qaeda by entering not one but two unwinnable wars.
That's part 1.
Part 2:
1. In the 1970s, the US started experiencing the recession that inevitably comes when a country becomes so wealthy and its wages so high, it can't compete with the rest of the world in the marketplace.
2. This recession has remained hidden ever since, through massive borrowing and spending. The PC boom gave a short respite in the late 1990s, but then PC manufacturing was outsourced to China and tech services was outsourced mostly to India.
3. The dollar remains strong because nations can't buy oil in any currency other than dollars. This creates a demand for dollars. The Euro was worth roughly 80 cents on the dollar until Saddam Hussein started selling oil in Euros. Even though the amount of oil he could sell was sharply limited due to sanctions, the dollar immediately began to fall and kept falling until the US invaded and switched Iraq back to petrodollars. The dollar had fallen about 50% against the Euro, and remains so today. If any nation were to start selling massive quantities of oil in currency other than dollars, the dollar would drop like a rock.
4. China is by far the US's biggest lender.
5. China may have (I have not confirmed this but it makes sense) three trillion dollars in US money.
When the US loses its lock on petroleum through other countries starting to sell oil in other currencies, it will cause a rate of inflation the likes of which the US has not seen before. If China decides to stop all lending to the US, this will cause the dollar to drop farther and faster. If China releases their US money into the global economy all at once, the dollar will drop even farther and even faster.
If the US tries to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan to conserve its resources in the face of economic catastrophe, al Qaeda will attack again, probably even worse than 9/11, forcing the US to remain in those wars or risk a horrific loss of morale among its citizens.
At this time, China would finally invade Taiwan. The US would either watch impotently or drain off even more resources fighting China.
When I post the above to newsgroups in the US, I rarely get a response even if I beg people to tell me why I'm wrong. If I mention it to people in Europe, they respond as though this is really old news.
So, yeah. Probably within five to ten years, definitely within twenty, the shit's going to hit the fan.
I picked the name, LG! NYCe was gracious enough to approve it when I hit my 5K mark, perhaps suggesting that naming your rank will be the tradition for the 5K post, but that's for NYCe to say...not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
And like I said earlier, I think the new rank fits well with my role as an HA peacemaker and all-around nice guy... :wink:
EDIT: I edited the post because I meant to say that naming your rank might be the tradition for the 5K post...and if so, I wonder what Kelly's rank will be?... or better yet, what will White_Mounted_Canadian's be?
Some of us thought a great deal of J and his posts...and anyone who says that J is posting here under a different name is totally wrong....J's wit and posting style were unique...and coming back while hiding under a new handle is not something that J would do...Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ347
Cosign.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefmike
-Quinn
I agree. Though I didn't always agree with what J had to say, I always found his posts interesting and very witty. It would be nice to have him back but I don't think he'll be returning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinn
I like the name. But HA peacemaker? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by chefmike
Anyway, seeing as I've suddenly decided not to be nice to everyone like I used to, maybe you can take my place as the nice guy around here. :D
Ghandi was a violent sadist by comparison. LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by LG
-Quinn
LMFAO
What do you think of Obadiah Shoher's views on the Middle East conflict? One can argue, of course, that Shoher is ultra-right, but his followers are far from being a marginal group. Also, he rejects Jewish moralistic reasoning - that's alone is highly unusual for the Israeli right. And he is very influential here in Israel. So what do you think? uh, here's the site in question: Middle East conflict
A people unwilling to serve God is destine to be ruled by tyranny. Child abuse comes from moral relativism usually found in todays multiculturalism and perversity crowd, the global warming crowd and the replace God with government crowd. Right and wrong are defined and redefined daily by these moonbats.
Wow! And I always thought child abuse was rare among atheist intellectuals and professors of philosophy, science and mathematics. So there’s actually a link between believing that the causes of climate change are anthropogenic and child abuse? Are you just making this up as you go along or can you cite a respectable, refereed journal? If you haven’t noticed the Bible defines and redefines right and wrong in every chapter of every book. The Bible can’t even settle on one Genesis story. It has at least four contradictory stories of the life of Jesus and the new covenant is by definition a flip-flob on the old. Which is it now, do we stone adulterous wives or do we do unto them what we would have them to unto us? Moonbat :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by q1a2z3
Secular humanism teaches children that they are just another brick in the wall and a cog in the wheel. There is nothing contradictory in the Holy Bible - people find what they want. If you go looking for contradictions you find them. Finding faith and teaching children faith in God is the best one can do. The MP crowd only tolerate other "communities" that have a moral relative foundation. They casually make fun of Christians, while it's the likes of Dawkins who are deranged. The MP crowd doesn't want to be accountable to God. The moobats on NPR regularly make fun of Huckabee and others who believe the universe was created in 6 days.
There are three Genesis stories and all three are true.
Moonbats have been successful at getting soft-headed judges to declare their hobby a "lifestyle." A hobby that goes against "be fruitful and multiply" and "evolution" that they hold up as truth, but they can't even reproduce their own kind. So much for survival of the fittest. They have worked hard to get hate crime and hate speech laws in place, which are just one step away from George Orwell's 1984's "thought crime" and an attack on the first amendment.
Dawkins speaks to taking children away from their religious parents. what a moonbat!
Of course they're true, and the moon really IS made of green cheese.Quote:
There are three Genesis stories and all three are true.
do you think before you write?Quote:
There is nothing contradictory in the Holy Bible - people find what they want. If you go looking for contradictions you find them.
You misunderstood my point, people who want to find something wrong with the Holy Bible will find it. It's not that there is really anything wrong there, they want it to be wrong or inconsistent, etc. so they say it's wrong or inconsistent.
Of course I understand your point. It’s just that your point is idiotic. You can search the Earth for unicorns and you won’t find any, no matter how hard you look or how badly you want to find them, because there are none to be found. Not the case with contradictions in the Bible. They’re there for everyone to see. You don’t have to want to find them. Almost every curious child finds them by the dozens. What you have to do and work really hard to explain them away and cover them up. Tedious attempts to obfuscate and hide the obvious are usually enough to turn off the curiosity of any child; yet another reason why religion, when followed blindly and obstinately, is child abuse.
Your "point" is that God's word cramps your hobby QED God word must be inconsistent. When a world has no moral absolutes the world becomes a relative chaos that one day will come round to bite those who initially enjoyed it's lack or morality.
And your point Zippy, is that the bible is the literal word of God, the foundation of all that is good and the moral compass that drives civilization.
Funny, a billion Indians and 1.3 billion Chinese don't agree with you.
Huckabee deserves to be made fun of, along with anyone else who steadfastly believes the world was 'created' in 6 days and is only 6000 years old. What verifiable evidence can they put forth to support any of their claims? None. Where is the evidence of the monumental flood? There isn't any. Did Jonah really live inside a whale for 3 days and nights? I don't think so.
As a series of morality tales, the bible can be very instructive. Believe anymore than that and you are a luddite.
In mathematics QED is used to designate the end of a proof. However, a mere misstatement of somebody else’s point does not a proof make. Who said the world has no moral absolutes? I’m merely saying the Bible is not a reliable place to find them. The Bible is full of contradictions. From just a single contradiction everything follows. From the contradictions in the Bible all manner of hobbies can be and have been justified; all manner of silliness, obscenity, horror and atrocity. It’s time for the world to grow up and put away its childish legends.Quote:
Your "point" is that God's word cramps your hobby QED
oh my god - it's true - some americans really do think the bible is 'true'!!!!!! are they mad - it's a library of books written by hundreds of different people over the course of a thousand or more years as the story of one particular tribe that expanded in what is now Israel....it is not something to be taken as the complete history of the world. and the bible most of us know is a selection of many more books that were discarded as inconvenient to the ruling powers at the time.
if you have been taught never to challenge the bible, i am sorry for you. you have a brain and you should use it - if you wish to believe in something, then find out about it and prove it to yourself - don't simply believe because that's what you are told to do.
as for the cheap shots at professor richard dawkins - as he says - at least his fundamentalist belief in Darwinism (and mine) doesn't mean he beheads non-believers nor flies his planes into their buildings, and he and i are both completely prepared to change views if provable evidence is available.
religion - it's for the ill-educated masses - wakey wakey america
Hey fitfred if you were in the assassination business you couldn't handle in a locked closet with a grenade. Godless liberals like yourself believe in lots of things that have been proven false but you continue to believe them. Here is a partial list:
1. Anyone can get AIDS. Actually, you get AIDS be having someone shoot an infected load of semen up your ass. The whole "get tested" campaign is a load of crap for heterosexuals.
2. The government pulled off 911 for oil. Moonbat alert!
3. Global warming is real. LOL!
4. There is no God. This has to be true if you want to have a hobby as in item #1 above.
5. Bush lied about WMD.
6. Iraq would be better if saddam was left in power.
When one sins enough and is lucky enough to hear God talking to him about how life is not working out the way he planned it, one knows there is a God.
The God I pray to created the universe in 6 days and rested on the 7th. He spoke the universe into existence.
Tell that to half the continent of Africa where the disease is rampant among heterosexuals, drug users anywhere who share needles, hemophiliacs and anyone else who contracted it by blood transfusions.Quote:
1. Anyone can get AIDS. Actually, you get AIDS be having someone shoot an infected load of semen up your ass. The whole "get tested" campaign is a load of crap for heterosexuals.
I don’t know many liberals who believe this one. The people who do believe are nut cases and can be found of both the liberal and conservative persuasions.Quote:
2. The government pulled off 911 for oil. Moonbat alert!
Again it doesn’t take a liberal to subscribe to this one, just a brain. Very few climatologists (a group of divergent political leanings) dispute over the occurrence of global climate change.Quote:
3. Global warming is real. LOL!
This too is not a liberal thing. Almost nobody in Europe (neither liberal nor conservative) believes in that fairy tale any more.Quote:
4. There is no God. This has to be true if you want to have a hobby as in item #1 above.
I can't say whether Bush lied or told what he thought was the truth; and neither can you. What everyone does know (except for a miniscule portion of die-hard bush supporters) is that Bush was seriously wrong about WMD’s in Iraq.Quote:
5. Bush lied about WMD.
Without a doubt, there would have been a few hundred million less dead Iraqi’s, they’d be al Qaeda free, they’d have a defense against Iran, they’d still have an infrastructure, and a sectarian, if tyrannical government. You can be the judge whether that’s better than the shit they got now.Quote:
6. Iraq would be better if saddam was left in power.
If you’re plagued by your “sins” and you start hearing voices, it’s time to change your life style and maybe see a doctor. Perhaps your hatreds are getting the better of you. You might stop thinking of Middle Easterners are camel jockeys. You might entertain political solutions other than “nukem”. I find it somewhat ironic that the god you pray to is a little tribal desert god. The desert religion took over the classical spirit of the western world when Rome fell and Europe slowly drifted into the dark ages.
Sounds to me like you're justifying your own false belief by attempting to point out that others maintain false beliefs. Exactly how does that work? Are you saying god doesn't exist but you believe anywhay!!?? Oh and by the way, not one thing on your list is an example of something that is BOTH false AND is a characteristic belief of liberals. Try again.Quote:
Godless liberals…believe in lots of things that have been proven false but you continue to believe them. Here is a partial list: