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Trump is at it again. Either he thinks he beat George Bush in 2016, or that Jeb Bush was the President who invaded Iraq.
“When I came here, everyone thought Bush was going to win,” he said. “They thought Bush because Bush supposedly was a military person. Great. You know what he was a mili- ... he got us into the, uh, he got us into the Middle East. How did that work out, right?"
https://news.yahoo.com/befuddled-tru...040026373.html
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Is Glenn Youngkin the nightmare from Elm St, VA-?
"Youngkin, who stands 6ft 5ins tall, cultivates the persona of a sunny suburban dad in his signature zippered red vest. He is not weighed down by the baggage of Trump’s 91 criminal charges. At 56 years old, he would represent generational change on a debate stage with 80-year-old Joe Biden. Sabato acknowledged this, saying: “He’s a nightmare for the Biden people. He projects this image that even people in the press who know better can’t help but swallow.”"
‘He’s pretty smooth’: Glenn Youngkin of Virginia may be a challenger for Trump (yahoo.com)
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If Glenn Youngkin's star has slipped a little this week, here is another plug for Gavin Newsom
Newsom 2024: could the California governor be a rival to Joe Biden? (yahoo.com)
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California Governor Gavin Newsom could definitely be a rival to President Joe Biden,if he chooses to make a run.
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Seriously? It might pass the time in a bar, but in real life?
"Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson meets with lawmakers days after speaking about a presidential run. CNN’s Tom Foreman reports on the celebrities before him who made a foray into politics."
Speculation swirls around a possible presidential run for The Rock (yahoo.com)
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Don't need anymore celebrities with zero political experience making a run for president.
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The MAGA Party would use every underhanded and despicable tactic in their playbook to win The White House,and don't give a damn about the consequences or who loses the right to vote,because it's all about power.
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No surprise that Trump keeps whining on and on about the 2020 election and now wants to revive his attempt to repeal 'Obama Care' -but now the soon-to-be-a-loser De Santis wants to get in on the act.
Wrong on 'Obama Care', wrong on Abortion, wrong on the 2020 election -does the Republican Party have anything new to say, or any policy initiatives that are going to excite the people over the next 11 months? I don't see it.
All I see and hear is moaning, shouting, insulting, and all about people, not policies. They even want to impeach Biden.
Pathetic.
DeSantis says he will replace Obamacare with a ‘better plan,’ cautions House GOP on Biden impeachment inquiry (yahoo.com)
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No surprise that Trump keeps whining on and on about the 2020 election and now wants to revive his attempt to repeal 'Obama Care' -but now the soon-to-be-a-loser De Santis wants to get in on the act.
Wrong on 'Obama Care', wrong on Abortion, wrong on the 2020 election -does the Republican Party have anything new to say, or any policy initiatives that are going to excite the people over the next 11 months? I don't see it.
All I see and hear is moaning, shouting, insulting, and all about people, not policies. They even want to impeach Biden.
Pathetic.
DeSantis says he will replace Obamacare with a ‘better plan,’ cautions House GOP on Biden impeachment inquiry (yahoo.com)
Completely agree 1000% it is pathetic,however it isn't surprising at all because this is what Donald-Orange Menace.&.Sore Loser-Trump does best,is bitch and moan like a petulent child that he is.
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Trump doesn’t have a plan to replace Obamacare… if there was one, they would make it public. Trump ran on this in 2016, I think he’s trying to milk what he sees as a winning formula from the past. But Republicans controlled both houses of Congress during Trump’s first 2 years, and they did nothing on Obamacare. They are good at campaigning but terrible at legislating.
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That is exactly what the GOP has been doing for over 7 years.
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That was like 50 years ago. People need to be allowed to learn and grow. All of us are learning to be better. If nobody is allowed to learn and grow, this whole world is doomed.
I listened to Biden on Conan Obrien’s podcast recently. Biden said he wasn’t interested in being Obama’s running mate at the time. Biden’s mother said to him, this is the first-ever black man who could possibly become president of the United States. He’s asking you to help. Are you really going to tell him no?
I don’t love Biden, I think he is a good president but I disagree with a lot of the things he does. But one thing I’m pretty sure of, and that is that he is a decent and honorable human being.
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And if one doesn't step forward you'll vote for Trump?
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That was like 50 years ago. People need to be allowed to learn and grow.
And this applies to all individuals regardless of party.
That being said, I still want a different Democrat. And Biden has made enough "Black" flubs within the past 4 years to show me enough.
Put a different Democrat in office...
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This is who Fanti thought was the right kind of Democrat last time.
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Democrat Tulsi Gabbard is a much better candidate (IMHO) than Joe Biden - hands down.
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And this applies to all individuals regardless of party.
That being said, I still want a different Democrat. And Biden has made enough "Black" flubs within the past 4 years to show me enough.
Put a different Democrat in office...
Who? Biden got in because he's in the middle. A true liberal would alienate the middle and Republicans who actually have some sort of backbone and don't want to vote for Trump. Hell, Obama got elected because he was in the middle.
But hey, you can vote for Cornel West and give Trump a second term, too. Is he black enough for ya?
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The post that Mr Fanti made
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The post that Mr Fanti seems to have neglected to make
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What does it say about this man that he's more outraged by Biden's 50-year old comments than by Trump essentially saying the US should have accepted the continued existence of slavery in the South?
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So Trump wins 56, 620 votes in Iowa, 51% of the registered Republicans, and 20 delegates in a State whose total population is 3,276,103 and its adult population 2,436,915. It is estimated there are more than 21 million Hogs in the State, and more than 67 Chickens. It is one of the least diverse States in the Union.
So I guess it is all 'psychological' right now...
Iowa Population 2024 (Demographics, Maps, Graphs) (worldpopulationreview.com)
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Still the worst-case scenario. I was hoping DeSantis would come in third.
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In my recent post I should have written 67 Million chickens...
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In my recent post I should have written 67 Million chickens...
Well, 67 million is also more than 67. :)
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So Trump wins 56, 620 votes in Iowa, 51% of the registered Republicans, and 20 delegates in a State whose total population is 3,276,103 and its adult population
2,436,915. It is estimated there are more than 21 million Hogs in the State, and more than 67 Chickens. It is one of the least diverse States in the Union.
So I guess it is all 'psychological' right now...
Iowa Population 2024 (Demographics, Maps, Graphs) (worldpopulationreview.com)
They also have lots of straw you can clutch at to justify your Nikki Haley prediction. I guess you can do that for one more week, but which state is even whiter than Iowa?
https://worldpopulationreview.com/st...ire-population
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Still the worst-case scenario. I was hoping DeSantis would come in third.
Indeed it sure was.
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Apparently New Hampshire has open primaries, though. Non-Republicans can vote.
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Not really surprised at all that the majority of GOP Voters will still vote for a Domestic Terrorist Leader,Sore Loser and Petulent Child like Donald Trump,even if he is convicted. And these are the same people who believe that Joe Biden didn't win the 2020 Election. And it also shows how Donald Trump hijacked and corrupted the Republican Party and remade it into his despicable image ,and how the majority of GOP Voters are brainwashed and will believe anything their guy says,even if it's a lie.
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Idaho comes close to Iowa albeit with a smaller population.
As for Haley, a lot may yet happen to Trump given the cases taking place. At the moment it looks like he will get through cases like the E Jean Carroll and just insist he is right and everyone else is wrong, court judgments be damned. A lot will depend on the Supreme Court's decision on immunity. In terms of the letter of the law, it doesn't seem possible SCOTUS will rule in Trump's favour, but certain justices may see the need to protect Trump without regard to the Constitution though if they do their reasoning will make interesting reading.
Trump is most vulnerable I think in Georgia, where there is clear evidence of the President trying to interfere with an election process to change the result in his favour, while the classified documents case is also slam dunk but may not be heard before the election.
So far Trump has been able to avoid hard questions about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. It seems clear to me he knew about Epstein's lust for young teens, but other than the claim he and Epstein raped a 13-year old in New York (see link) the more pertinent question might be to ask Trump if, knowing what he did, he informed law enforcement that a wealthy man based in New York was breaking the law.
Woman who accused Donald Trump of raping her at 13 drops lawsuit | Donald Trump | The Guardian
Credible Evidence Trump Raped a 13-Year-Old: To Push Trump & America Into an Empathetic Intervention - McFadden, Rev John Hugh: 9781797839097 - AbeBooks
Haley thus remains in pole position to win the votes of disaffected Republicans, and those intelligent enough to know she has a better chance of beating Biden, though her position on Abortion is a vote loser and this may become a key factor in the vote come November.
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Apparently New Hampshire has open primaries, though. Non-Republicans can vote.
All the more reason to think it may not tell us too much about her chances in most other states.
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As for Haley, a lot may yet happen to Trump given the cases taking place.
There's two major problems with your argument.
1. Nothing decisive seems likely to happen in the next two months, and the timetable means that he'll probably have the nomination locked up by then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_R...tial_primaries
2. His popularity among Republicans has gone up since he's been indicted. Most seem very inclined to view it all as political and rationalise it away, just as they've done with January 6.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...2024/national/
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I understand the compelling argument you make -on current evidence. As for Haley, she could be losing support for the silly things that she says, whether it is her comments on the Civil War, or her latest nonsense-
"Speaking to Fox host Brian Kilmeade who asked the Republican presidential candidate whether the Republican party is racist, Haley responded, “No. We’re not a racist country. We’ve never been a racist country.”"
Ron DeSantis says Republicans will lose if Donald Trump becomes presidential nominee – US politics live (theguardian.com)
If she continues to make a fool of herself, then the irony is that Trump could succeed even though he is the greater fool, though one wonders if DeSantis can make a comeback. I am still not convinced Trump will make it to the Convention, but maybe that is wishful thinking?
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She's trying not to alienate Trump's base. No Republican who alienates Trump's base will get the nomination.
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She's trying not to alienate Trump's base. No Republican who alienates Trump's base will get the nomination.
It's Catch 22 though. If they can't win if they criticise Trump, they also can't make a case for why it should be them rather than him.
I think they were really gambling on the polls showing that Trump couldn't win a general election, but that hasn't happened.
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She's trying not to alienate Trump's base. No Republican who alienates Trump's base will get the nomination.
Agree. Trump's base isn't going to vote for Nikki Haley,they are going to do what they always do,and that's vote for their guy the Domestic Terrorist Leader,Sore Loser and Petulent Child Donald Trump.
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It's Catch 22 though. If they can't win if they criticise Trump, they also can't make a case for why it should be them rather than him.
I think they were really gambling on the polls showing that Trump couldn't win a general election, but that hasn't happened.
And he owns the party. That's what they get for enabling him in 2016. Both Haley and Christie had key roles in the administration, regardless of what they say now. Hell, Trump gave Christie COVID and Christie still waited years to say anything bad about him.
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And he owns the party. That's what they get for enabling him in 2016. Both Haley and Christie had key roles in the administration, regardless of what they say now. Hell, Trump gave Christie COVID and Christie still waited years to say anything bad about him.
Completely agree Chris Christie and Nikki Haley are getting exactly what they deserve for enabling him for over 8 years, and too late for them to criticize him now since they both used work for his administration.
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An alternative view that argues Trump's victory in Iowa was not decisive. Crunches the numbers, worth watching
In Iowa Win There Was Also BAD News For Trump: Pulitzer winner, David Cay Johnston (youtube.com)