Will Ron Run Do or is Da Ron Doo Doo?

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Above link not available to me (I am in Germany right now).

If De Santis is doing so badly - so far- in the Presidential stakes, does this suggest he would struggle to get re-elected Governor? Can Florida be flipped?

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Florida allows teachers to use conservative PragerU curriculum in classrooms
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. —Florida is the first state to allow the conservative curriculum PragerU in public schools.

The group says they create video, magazines and books to offer “a free alternative to the dominant left-wing ideology in culture, media, and education.” PragerU also claims that students are failing because schools are more concerned with pushing radical activism instead of teaching facts.

“Parents have felt that they have been really pushed out of the education of their children,” said PragerU CEO Marissa Streit.

Streit said they are now bringing PragerU Kids content to classrooms, and Florida is the first to sign up.

“America's classrooms have been more focused on producing young activists than actually kids who excel academically or are able to think critically,” she said. “We're providing teachers with additional tools so they don't have to only teach leftism in schools.”

On Wednesday, the Florida Department of Education said in a statement that they “reviewed PragerU Kids and determined the material aligns to Florida’s revised civics and government standards.”

Now, it is up to individual school districts whether they will use the supplemental material.

“We want our kids to accomplish academic excellence without it being laced with political narratives,” said Streit. “Kids should be learning without being indoctrinated with left-wing propaganda.”

PragerU has a vast database of video content. Some examples found on the site include a video about the history of slavery in which the narrator, Candace Owens, says "Slavery was not invented by White people." In another video, the narrator says "There is no such thing as gender-affirming care. You cannot affirm something that does not exist."

Meanwhile, PragerU Kids video content is found on a separate tab on the site and includes videos that discuss justice activism in classrooms, climate change and financial literacy.

Some parents like Tatiana Quiroga said she worries about what this means for their kids.

“This really makes me question where exactly is that separation of church and state,” she said.

Quiroga is the executive director of Come Out With Pride, the host of Orlando’s annual Pride festival.

“It’s just very concerning as a parent and just starting to really question what my children will be exposed to when they enter the classroom,” she said. “I am left with a lot of questions and concerns.”

Andrew Spar is the president of the statewide teachers’ union, Florida Education Association.

“It is clear that they have a political agenda. It is clear they're not about educating kids. They're about promoting propaganda,” he said.

Spar said teachers are clamoring for good resources while dealing with the constant fear of picking material people do not object to.

“The State of Florida wants to ban books, but they're going to allow a politically motivated program with no educational value,” he said. “It really goes to show where this administration's priorities are. Their priorities are not with the education of my child and your children. Their priority is certainly a political one.”

WESH 2 News reached out to the 10 local school districts in our area to see whether they plan to use PragerU materials:

Brevard: "The district reviews all state-approved curriculum to see if can benefit our students. We will review this voluntary curriculum before making any decisions."
Flagler: "PragerU is just one of several supplemental resources the state has approved to be considered for our teachers, just like other resources the state has approved, such as from the Florida Holocaust Museum, Reading Like a Historian (Stanford University), and Florida Memory (a resource of primary and secondary lesson plan supplements and resources specific to our state). Our teachers have access to all the approved materials available to them when building their lesson plans for the upcoming year."
Lake: Has not discussed PragerU
Marion: "PragerU is not included as a resource in our 23-24 curriculum maps due to its late release by the FLDOE."
Orange: "While the Florida Department of Education just approved the use of the PragerU curriculum, district staff has not had an opportunity to fully review the items."
Osceola: WESH 2 News is waiting to hear back
Polk: WESH 2 News is waiting to hear back
Seminole: "Materials from PragerU were not adopted by SCPS for any course and are not included in the district curriculum frameworks."
Sumter: WESH 2 News is waiting to hear back
Volusia: WESH 2 News is waiting to hear back

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Fitzcarraldo, thanks for taking the time to paste this, depressing as it is to read, even with the resistance in Florida. I wonder if the excessive demands being made by a few isolated parents to have books removed from school libraries will add another layer of resistance? On current trends, it might make more sense to shut down all school libraries in case a parent takes offence at what to most people is genuinely innocent language.

Or is ‘Spin the Bottle’ code for something lascivious and a threat to children?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/arthur...acko-complaint

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Fitzcarraldo, thanks for taking the time to paste this, depressing as it is to read, even with the resistance in Florida. I wonder if the excessive demands being made by a few isolated parents to have books removed from school libraries will add another layer of resistance? On current trends, it might make more sense to shut down all school libraries in case a parent takes offence at what to most people is genuinely innocent language.

Or is ‘Spin the Bottle’ code for something lascivious and a threat to children?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/arthur...acko-complaint

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No parent resistance will be effective as long as Republicans control the governor's office and the state legislature. I saw a poll that said 75% of Floridians oppose the 6-week abortion ban the legislature plans to implement.

Apparently we learned nothing from Watergate:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...rges-rcna96930

Below is an interesting take on the Slavery nonsense coming out of Florida. What I find missing in all this, concerns the irony that those slaves who did acquire skills, for example, as carpenters, wheelwrights, blacksmiths etc, undermined the opportunities such trades might have had for the White working class in the South. Set aside the fact that however skilled a slave might be, it would not prevent his, or her Master from flogging them or worse, should they infringe the rules. But there is also no doubt that slavery did not benefit the white working class, whom these days De Santis claims to represent.

Maybe Harvard graduate De Santis should engage in some of his own historical research instead of allowing biased sources to feed him.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/why-ron-desantis-florida-slavery-120007345.html

https://www.lawcha.org/2017/07/17/po...s-slave-south/

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Below is an interesting take on the Slavery nonsense coming out of Florida. What I find missing in all this, concerns the irony that those slaves who did acquire skills, for example, as carpenters, wheelwrights, blacksmiths etc, undermined the opportunities such trades might have had for the White working class in the South. Set aside the fact that however skilled a slave might be, it would not prevent his, or her Master from flogging them or worse, should they infringe the rules. But there is also no doubt that slavery did not benefit the white working class, whom these days De Santis claims to represent.

Maybe Harvard graduate De Santis should engage in some of his own historical research instead of allowing biased sources to feed him.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/why-ron-desantis-florida-slavery-120007345.html

https://www.lawcha.org/2017/07/17/po...s-slave-south/

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He and his base don't care about any of that. They just want to erase and outlaw anything like white guilt. The end is all that matters, and they will shift means as necessary to get there.

Only 30 people were willing to pay a dollar to have a beer with him:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...fort-rcna97317

Another example of right-wing indoctrination in Florida schools - climate change denialist cartoons.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...os-ee-00109466

More fascism:
https://apnews.com/article/desantis-...817d9da9133393

Two posts that are in sync with the times: in the UK Climate Change Denial has now become Climate Change Rejection -because the Conservatives held on to Boris Johnson's seat in Parliament, and because it was said to be their rejection of the proposed Ultra-Low-Emissions-Zone that the London Mayor is creating to reduce urban emissions, and because the argument is 'the People' can't afford it, the Conservatives, and others, have been emboldened to argue there is no public support for Green Policies, so scrap them -all of them.

In Florida, it is not just Desperate Ron lashing out and sacking people, re-writing history -it may be seen as part of a broader Republican strategy to overhaul the foundations of American politics, using the Presidency as the means to implement what is being called the 'Unitary Executive Theory' which claims the President has significantly more extensive powers than previously accepted, er, because in fact such powers are subject to the decisions of the other two branches of Government.

It would be interesting to know if Ronald believes in the UET.

"Trump and his allies are planning a wholesale restructuring of the executive branch that would give him sweeping presidential power over the entire machinery of government with near complete impunity.
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The basis for this effort is a political thesis called the “unitary executive theory,” long popular with conservatives, which posits that the Constitution gives a president the authority to control all executive action."
Opinion: Trump’s Plan To Go Full Fascist If He Wins In 2024 | HuffPost Opinion

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...chant-00110860

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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...chant-00110860

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Abuse is no substitute for debate but then I guess that's why you posted this.

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Abuse is no substitute for debate but then I guess that's why you posted this.

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No, I posted it because I thought the "Pudding fingers" chant was funny.

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/28/11963...le-vigil-booed

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https://www.npr.org/2023/08/28/11963...le-vigil-booed

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""Put parties aside," Pittman said. "A bullet don't know a party.""

But the Party -the Republican Party knows the bullets -the ones that explode inside the body that have been sanctioned for sale to the public, that fit into an AR-15 or any other weapon of human destruction. Just as Governor De Santis has not placed any limits on the ammo that can do blotto on a human, just as a 74 year-old man in Florida can marry a 14 year-old girl, it is all legal until someone does something.

Or does nothin'. If he can't be recalled, maybe he should resign as Governor to focus on what he wants most -the White House.

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If he can't be recalled, maybe he should resign as Governor to focus on what he wants most -the White House.

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I don't think Florida has recall provisions, but DeSantis won a decisive victory in his last campaign. He has a lot of the white vote, and for some reason a significant number of Hispanic voters (mainly the Cubans) are drawn to fascist candidates.

His campaign is going to be inconvenienced by a hurricane for at least the rest of the week. Of course he just ignored the terrible flooding in Fort Lauderdale a few months back, so who can say?

There is a 'roomer' that he is going to drop out of the race. But the claim came from the owner of Pravda Sozial, using leeks he got from Florida'a secret police, or the Gazpacho, as the Cubists call them.

De Santis and 'freedom of speech' -and how he reacts to a 15-year old asking awkward questions- suggesting there is a price to pay for making The Governor look feeble....

Ron DeSantis Is Afraid of Questions From a 15-Year-Old (yahoo.com)

Also, click the link to Chris Christie's response to it on CNN. But remind me, wasn't Christie angling for a job in Trump's White House before Kushner blocked it?

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De Santis and 'freedom of speech' -and how he reacts to a 15-year old asking awkward questions- suggesting there is a price to pay for making The Governor look feeble....

Ron DeSantis Is Afraid of Questions From a 15-Year-Old (yahoo.com)

Also, click the link to Chris Christie's response to it on CNN. But remind me, wasn't Christie angling for a job in Trump's White House before Kushner blocked it?

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Yes Chris Christie sure was,can't anything he says serious.

There is a lot to unpack here: on the one hand the in-your-face reality about Race in the US, on the other hand, the claim by Republicans that the boundaries of Congressional Districts be 'blind' to Race, when the outcome of a new boundary is to not only reduce Black representation, but to all but guarantee the Republicans have the majority they crave.

That said, if politics was not so sectarian, both major parties would be appealing for votes to all voters. The system itself appears to create the very problems that re-districting cannot address when the boundaries are drawn by a party acting in its self-interest, rather than in the broader interests of Democracy. And while it may be true that most Black Americans vote Democrat, do Black Republicans welcome the outcome of the slice and dice tactics of De Santis, to give them the -presumably- White Representative they want or either way are going to get?

Consider this from Chief Justice Roberts-
"“When it comes to considering race in the context of districting, we have made clear that there is a difference ‘between being aware of racial considerations and being motivated by them’,” chief justice John Roberts wrote for a five-justice majority. “The former is permissible; the latter is usually not.”"

But didn't Roberts lead the campaign to dismantle the 1965 Voting Rights Act motivated by Race, indeed, is it possible for any aspect of Race in American politics not to be shaped by 'Motivations' on whichever side?

I don't think so. They should come out with the naked truth: Stop Black People Voting. Because that in the end is what they want.

DeSantis eyes revoking constitutional safeguard for Florida’s Black voters | US news | The Guardian

Liar:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...low-rcna105091

The claims De Santis makes, it is argued, are based on unreliable statistics, because of the changes made to the way the FBI collects them, and the claim that up to 45% of Florida is not counted in the stats for the State.

Thus, in 2020 Trump made the claim

"Trump claimed in the written statement that “on crime statistics, Florida ranked Third Worst in Murder, Third Worst in Rape, and Third Worst in Aggravated Assault.”
Facts First: This needs context. Trump was correct that Florida has had the third-most of various kinds of crimes, but that’s mostly because Florida has had the third-biggest population. Per capita, a fairer way to compare jurisdictions of different sizes, Florida rates notably better. In 2020, the last year for which thorough national crime data has been published by the FBI, Florida was 25th-worst for reported murders, 33rd-worst for reported rapes, and 23rd-worst for reported aggravated assaults, crime analyst and consultant Jeff Asher told CNN."
Fact-checking Trump's barrage of attacks against Ron DeSantis | CNN Politics

But then this:

"To attract Republican primary voters across the country, Gov. Ron DeSantis is pitching himself as a "law-and-order" presidential candidate. His proof: Florida's 50-year crime low.
Yes, but: Nearly half of the state's population is excluded from 2021 crime figures estimated by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE), according to data provided to Axios by The Marshall Project, a nonprofit newsroom covering criminal justice.

• Florida's participation rate in the FBI's national data collection is also the lowest of any state in the country.

Why it matters: The data gap means it's nearly impossible to compare Florida's crime rate to other states or current crime statistics with data from past years."
Fact Check: Florida's crime 'record low' under Desantis, half of population excluded in data - Axios Tampa Bay

I suppose someone can then drill into the available stats for different crimes, eg Murder, Robbery et al. In the UK there is currently a claim shoplifting is not just becoming uncontrollable, but that it is because it is being carried out by organized gangs rather than individuals.
‘It’s organised looting’: UK in grip of a shoplifting epidemic, say store owners | Crime | The Guardian

What would Florida's stats look like based on more accurate stats, with a breakdown of the crimes -for what crime, other than Murder and Violence against the Person, causes people the most anxiety?

"When State of the Union host Jake Tapper brought Musk’s widely condemned “actual truth” message to the screen, DeSantis said he had “no idea what the context is” and said he would not “pass judgment on the fly”, although he said he stood against antisemitism “across the board”.“I know Elon Musk,” DeSantis said. “I’ve never seen him do anything. I think he’s a guy that believes in America, I’ve never seen him indulge in any of that. So it’s surprising if that’s true.”"
Musk ‘believes in America’: DeSantis defends X owner after antisemitic post | Ron DeSantis | The Guardian

First line of The Godfather: I believe in America.

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"When State of the Union host Jake Tapper brought Musk’s widely condemned “actual truth” message to the screen, DeSantis said he had “no idea what the context is” and said he would not “pass judgment on the fly”, although he said he stood against antisemitism “across the board”.“I know Elon Musk,” DeSantis said. “I’ve never seen him do anything. I think he’s a guy that believes in America, I’ve never seen him indulge in any of that. So it’s surprising if that’s true.”"
Musk ‘believes in America’: DeSantis defends X owner after antisemitic post | Ron DeSantis | The Guardian

First line of The Godfather: I believe in America.

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Ron DeSantis is very delusional,and not surprised at all he's defending a right wing loving pile of shit like Elon Musk.

He's running but he's a really weird guy.

DeSantis is out. Best news I've seen in a long time:
https://apnews.com/article/ron-desan...258f0c2754c8ba

No doo doo, just noo noo. Who cares?