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What is Islamophobia Bronco? Fear of people with a strong tendency toward suicide bombing and a long history of hating me? Laughable that they actually made a word out of it, of course people are afraid of those nut-jobs. It’s the media trying to paint a picture of a world where we shouldn’t be afraid of insane religious maniacs that’s the real gaslighting here. Again, Bronco, fact vs fiction. I believe in freedom of religion for all religions except the one that believes in wiping out all the other religions. We don’t need these assholes in our country at all, let alone agitating for tolerance in Congress. But that’s Minnesota for you - chill white guilt to the exact right temperature and you end up with a towel-head in Congress.
As for Asian hate crime, no, denied, it isn’t happening, Earth to Bronco, come in Bronco, we’re losing you pal...
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Nick Danger
From the conservative perspective, there's no such thing as "far right terrorism." I doubt you understand the full extent of the media-driven divide in this country now. A large percentage of conservatives do not consider liberals to be their fellow citizens with differing political views. They view THEM as terrorists.
That speaks volumes about the so-called conservative perspective these days. It appears the security agencies do not agree (see pages 17-19). https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...assessment.pdf
"Among domestic violent extremists (DVEs), racially and ethnically motivated violent extremists—specifically white supremacist extremists (WSEs)—will remain the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland."
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That speaks volumes about the so-called conservative perspective these days. It appears the security agencies do not agree (see pages 17-19).
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...assessment.pdf
"Among domestic violent extremists (DVEs), racially and ethnically motivated violent extremists—specifically white supremacist extremists (WSEs)—will remain the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland."
The alphabet agencies are a free-for-all these days. Whether or not you're a terrorist, criminal, or seditionist depends entirely on the political affiliation of the goon helming the agency. Interesting choice to capitalize "Homeland," has kind of a Fourth Reich feel to it.
The full truth is that a lot of these white supremacist organizations are gaining traction from the behavior of the liberal media. "At least someone thinks white people are okay" goes the line of reasoning.
Here's an interesting thought experiment: What if I am a racist, but not a white supremacist? What if, for example, I'm a white person who thinks Mexican people are lower than me but Asian people are higher? As a white Asian supremacist, am I in a morally questionable position? Or is that an acceptable view? What if we discount the negative view of Mexicans altogether - I believe everyone is equal except for Asians, who are superior. I'm white. Am I deplorable?
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Nick Danger
The alphabet agencies are a free-for-all these days. Whether or not you're a terrorist, criminal, or seditionist depends entirely on the political affiliation of the goon helming the agency. Interesting choice to capitalize "Homeland," has kind of a Fourth Reich feel to it.
You're a person for whom the distinction between fact and fiction no longer exists. There's no other explanation for your views. Even Republicans who prosecute other Republicans for breaking the law are suspected of being secret Democrats or of being biased. I could provide you with a statute and you'd simply engage in hand-waving. Provide you with data and you'd immediately impeach the data by claiming someone biased compiled it. It reminds me of Joe Pesci's character in Casino who would collect on his bets when he won but not pay out the losers. The only information you assimilate is that which supports your priors. Anything inconvenient is waved away or quickly forgotten.
Are you deplorable? Worse than that. You're boring and limited. You've decided to fear what you don't understand, which is a great deal, while telling yourself you're a big alpha predator. Your next debate is with your mirror.
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broncofan
You're a person for whom the distinction between fact and fiction no longer exists. There's no other explanation for your views. Even Republicans who prosecute other Republicans for breaking the law are suspected of being secret Democrats or of being biased. I could provide you with a statute and you'd simply engage in hand-waving. Provide you with data and you'd immediately impeach the data by claiming someone biased compiled it. It reminds me of Joe Pesci's character in Casino who would collect on his bets when he won but not pay out the losers. The only information you assimilate is that which supports your priors. Anything inconvenient is waved away or quickly forgotten.
Are you deplorable? Worse than that. You're boring and limited. You've decided to fear what you don't understand, which is a great deal, while telling yourself you're a big alpha predator. Your next debate is with your mirror.
Well then I guess I only have one thing left to say to you Bronco. Peyton Manning was Denver's 2nd greatest quarterback. Craig Morton was #1.
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Nick Danger
The full truth is that a lot of these white supremacist organizations are gaining traction from the behavior of the liberal media. "At least someone thinks white people are okay" goes the line of reasoning.
Here's an interesting thought experiment: What if I am a racist, but not a white supremacist? What if, for example, I'm a white person who thinks Mexican people are lower than me but Asian people are higher? As a white Asian supremacist, am I in a morally questionable position? Or is that an acceptable view? What if we discount the negative view of Mexicans altogether - I believe everyone is equal except for Asians, who are superior. I'm white. Am I deplorable?
Some people have said unkind things about people like me. This leaves me no choice but to become a fascist. Is that your 'reasoning'?
What you are is an imbecile who is incapable of seeing people unlike you as anything other than crude stereotypes.
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Are you deplorable? Worse than that. You're boring and limited. You've decided to fear what you don't understand, which is a great deal, while telling yourself you're a big alpha predator. Your next debate is with your mirror.
Something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YSm-K5_zZo
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filghy2
Some people have said unkind things about people like me. This leaves me no choice but to become a fascist. Is that your 'reasoning'?
What you are is an imbecile who is incapable of seeing people unlike you as anything other than crude stereotypes.
Flighty, an imbecile has an IQ of 26-50. Could I make sentences if I were an imbecile? I assure you my IQ is nearly double that of an imbecile.
As happens more and more frequently, I'll take the opportunity of pointing out your reading comprehension fail on the matter of MY reasoning. I said that would be the reasoning of those gravitating toward white supremacy these days. I'm not a white supremacist. If anything I'm a Jewish supremacist, those guys have seriously got their shit together.
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Something like this?
I'm coming for you, Flighty. I done kilt me two liberals on this board. Kilt just about everything that whines or agitates at one time or another. And now I'm coming for you, Flighty. For what you did to Ned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfOfV7U35PU
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Nick Danger
Flighty, an imbecile has an IQ of 26-50. Could I make sentences if I were an imbecile? I assure you my IQ is nearly double that of an imbecile.
As happens more and more frequently, I'll take the opportunity of pointing out your reading comprehension fail on the matter of MY reasoning. I said that would be the reasoning of those gravitating toward white supremacy these days. I'm not a white supremacist. If anything I'm a Jewish supremacist, those guys have seriously got their shit together.
I haven't met a Jew or gentile who is intelligent enough to respond to the compliment of being labeled a model minority. Asians will sometimes see it as well but it's a trap. You encourage resentment of the group you set up as a model because they are being used to make negative comparisons of other groups. You invite negative comments to counter your compliments because fairness and reciprocity demand that with compliments comes acceptance of criticism. But the criticism would be in the form of attributing to us characteristics as a group, just as the compliments are, and so both must be illegitimate.
I did a project in college on iq testing and frequently heard white supremacists eager to label some groups as inferior say that they weren't using psychometrics for that purpose because they believe Asians are more intelligent. But when I dug into the comments, they would then argue that Asians excelled at spatial abilities but not verbal, or that Asians had higher average intelligence but a lower standard deviation of intelligence so it was really the white man who produced more geniuses (and more idiots the reasoning should in fairness then argue). When they discussed Ashkenazi Jews, they would say Jews possess great verbal ability, which enables them to swindle or manipulate, and while solid in math, are weak in spatial reasoning which must account for whatever deficits they want to point out in their quest for knowledge.
The use of the model minority is really an attempt to denigrate and essentialize people while pretending to offer a concession to prove one's objectivity.
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broncofan
I haven't met a Jew or gentile who is intelligent enough to respond to the compliment of being labeled a model minority. Asians will sometimes see it as well but it's a trap. You encourage resentment of the group you set up as a model because they are being used to make negative comparisons of other groups. You invite negative comments to counter your compliments because fairness and reciprocity demand that with compliments comes acceptance of criticism. But the criticism would be in the form of attributing to us characteristics as a group, just as the compliments are, and so both must be illegitimate.
I did a project in college on iq testing and frequently heard white supremacists eager to label some groups as inferior say that they weren't using psychometrics for that purpose because they believe Asians are more intelligent. But when I dug into the comments, they would then argue that Asians excelled at spatial abilities but not verbal, or that Asians had higher average intelligence but a lower standard deviation of intelligence so it was really the white man who produced more geniuses (and more idiots the reasoning should in fairness then argue). When they discussed Ashkenazi Jews, they would say Jews possess great verbal ability, which enables them to swindle or manipulate, and while solid in math, are weak in spatial reasoning which must account for whatever deficits they want to point out in their quest for knowledge.
The use of the model minority is really an attempt to denigrate and essentialize people while pretending to offer a concession to prove one's objectivity.
Thought I'd lost you, Bronco. Looks like my victory lap was premature. Can't give back the champagne now though.
That's a pretty serious comment so I will reply in all seriousness.
A big problem with the liberal approach to racism is the language. "White Supremacy" isn't even a real thing in suburban America. Neither is "White Privilege." I mean, these things are real to poor people - a lot of whom are not white (but a lot of whom are). Poor people will buy into any reason they are poor besides the fact that they suck at life. They look around, see a lot of white people doing very well in a country built by and for white people, and they are perfect little puppets for anyone who wants to dangle the strings of racism in an effort to control the political narrative.
Problem is none of it is real, Bronco. It's illusion. You look at any one of these videos of police brutality toward blacks that has the liberal media so "outraged," and in every one, it's the perpetrator's fault. Every time. They're reaching for weapons. They're trying to run over the police with their cars. They're refusing lawful orders. Even George Floyd was in the middle of a couple of felonies, a misdemeanor, and resisting arrest. He resisted the wrong asshole that day, but again, we have no evidence, not even empirical evidence, that Derek Chauvin was a racist or that his actions were racially motivated. He was an asshole cop and George Floyd happened to be black, that's what we know.
America has a history of racism. So does every other fucking country on the planet. You want to talk about racist countries, let's talk about Israel. Japan, China, both Koreas, every Middle Eastern country, so racist and so completely uncriticized for it.
Meanwhile in America, we have every race, they can all vote, they are all legally protected against discrimination, they are all economically-advantaged via affirmative action programs...sorry, but American racism is an absolute media hoax sponsored by, you guessed it, the Democratic National Committee - a committee that has no other purpose than to promote racism and division, to save itself from political irrelevance.
Your statement about using model minorities as some kind of virtue-signaling device touches a nerve. No, wrong, I don't care to virtue-signal, more like just the opposite - I'd rather people assume I'm a tyrannical asshole and then be pleasantly surprised that I'm not than vice versa. But this is a symptom of the disease of identity politics - overthinking the problem.
To me there's no problem at all. A disproportionately large percentage of the black population need to get their shit together, that's the core truth behind all the bullshit. We can address this problem via education, motivation, or by force, it's strictly up to each individual. Blacks have really missed an opportunity here to get middle-class whites firmly in their corner, I didn't know a single person who wasn't pretty upset by the George Floyd incident. But "upset" quickly turned to "indifferent" when we were confronted by riots, threats, and false accusations. The truth and the narrative simply don't match, Bronco. I've practically begged you cats to show me some real examples of institutional racism in the USA and of course, there's nothing. Not sure why you won't just admit it.
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Nick Danger
You want to talk about racist countries, let's talk about Israel. Japan, China, both Koreas, every Middle Eastern country, so racist and so completely uncriticized for it.
I've planned to go to Israel but have never actually been. I've heard that there is a lot of racism there, not just in their human rights violations against Palestinians but also in Israeli society. Problems with racism in Israel wouldn't signify racism is not a problem here. Nor would it mean I have to make any assumptions about random Israelis or Americans I meet.
I have by the way been irritated by other countries calling out racism in the U.S. when it's obvious they're hypocritical or just being opportunistic. Have you seen the Iranian Ayatollah on twitter? You think I give a shit about what he has to say about anything? Do you think I give a shit about what Putin says about human rights or whatever idiot mouthpiece the People's Republic of China has talking when they literally make people disappear for criticizing their regime (or in the case of tennis player Peng Shuai; a kind of hostage situation that is far creepier than even Matt Gaetz).
You simply want American racism to be treated as a phantom concern. It's not. BTW I think filghy answered your request for info about institutional racism in America quite well. A shame you ignored it.
I am not sure whether the model minority discussion is a virtue signaling device but I think it doesn't really make sense. If someone told me they were merely criticizing Jews as opposed to complimenting us I would also be confused because it's unclear what one means when they compliment a group. If someone said Jews are good at accounting, should a Jew who is bad at accounting feel flattered? I do think the point of it is to pretend that prejudice against other groups is conditioned on their behavior and not something that begins with assumptions and malice.
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broncofan
I've planned to go to Israel but have never actually been. I've heard that there is a lot of racism there, not just in their human rights violations against Palestinians but also in Israeli society. Problems with racism in Israel wouldn't signify racism is not a problem here. Nor would it mean I have to make any assumptions about random Israelis or Americans I meet.
I have by the way been irritated by other countries calling out racism in the U.S. when it's obvious they're hypocritical or just being opportunistic. Have you seen the Iranian Ayatollah on twitter? You think I give a shit about what he has to say about anything? Do you think I give a shit about what Putin says about human rights or whatever idiot mouthpiece the People's Republic of China has talking when they literally make people disappear for criticizing their regime (or in the case of tennis player Peng Shuai; a kind of hostage situation that is far creepier than even Matt Gaetz).
You simply want American racism to be treated as a phantom concern. It's not. BTW I think filghy answered your request for info about institutional racism in America quite well. A shame you ignored it.
I am not sure whether the model minority discussion is a virtue signaling device but I think it doesn't really make sense. If someone told me they were merely criticizing Jews as opposed to complimenting us I would also be confused because it's unclear what one means when they compliment a group. If someone said Jews are good at accounting, should a Jew who is bad at accounting feel flattered? I do think the point of it is to pretend that prejudice against other groups is conditioned on their behavior and not something that begins with assumptions and malice.
What is a phantom concern? One that goes unaddressed? We have addressed the racism issue, Bronco.
The 13th Amendment. The 14th Amendment. The 15th Amendment. The Civil Rights Acts of 1870, 1871, 1875, 1957, 1960, 1964, 1965, 1987, and 1991. The Voting Rights Act. The Fair Housing Act. All in the interest of (progressively) helping black people prosper in the USA. But we're there now. Black leaders looked at the overall situation in 1991 and said, "Okay, no more legislation could possibly make things any better for black people." If they wanted more they'd have gotten more. The real question though...IS there anymore? What else can we possibly do for black people? Cash payout? Apparently that's on the table.
Can't stop private individuals from being racist, obviously. But according to all that legislation, if you are a black man in this country and you are treated any differently than a white man is treated, you are now set for life, as soon as you win your lawsuit. Pretty sweet deal IMHO.
Not sure what Flighty linked that served as evidence of systemic racism. Crime numbers don't demonstrate anything except the fact that blacks commit more crimes than whites. And really, Bronco, if it were just statistics, I might be open to questioning them. But I've also contended with black criminality in real life on real time, and I know from personal experience that blacks commit more crimes than whites. A good portion of the black population simply does not give a shit about the law - open defiance of it is all they really respect. Thanks, rap music.
No assumptions here, Bronco. No malice. Just real talk about black people and their propensity to engage in criminal behavior. Any discussion that sweeps that subject under the carpet is not a real discussion about racism, it's lip service.
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Nick Danger
America has a history of racism. So does every other fucking country on the planet. You want to talk about racist countries, let's talk about Israel. Japan, China, both Koreas, every Middle Eastern country, so racist and so completely uncriticized for it.
That is obviously untrue. Israel gets of lot of criticism for its treatment of Palestinians, as does China for its treatment of Uighurs.
More to the point, can you name any other developed democracy in which a large part of he country maintained an apartheid system up to the 1960s, or where police turned a blind eye to whites murdering blacks (or were involved themselves)? Not only that, but the rest of the country largely tolerated this situation until the 1950s. This is not ancient history - it was within your lifetime, I assume. No, the US is not like every other country.
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Nick Danger
The alphabet agencies are a free-for-all these days. Whether or not you're a terrorist, criminal, or seditionist depends entirely on the political affiliation of the goon helming the agency. Interesting choice to capitalize "Homeland," has kind of a Fourth Reich feel to it.
Nice try, but the document was dated October 2020, so the person in charge was a Trump appointee. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_Wolf
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filghy2
That is obviously untrue. Israel gets of lot of criticism for its treatment of Palestinians, as does China for its treatment of Uighurs.
More to the point, can you name any other developed democracy in which a large part of he country maintained an apartheid system up to the 1960s, or where police turned a blind eye to whites murdering blacks (or were involved themselves)? Not only that, but the rest of the country largely tolerated this situation until the 1950s. This is not ancient history - it was within your lifetime, I assume. No, the US is not like every other country.
You're right, Flighty, racism has happened in my lifetime. When I was a kid in the 70's there was a family of long-unemployed black sharecroppers living in the woods behind my house in a tar-paper shack, surviving off the land and out of people's garbage. I was friends with their kid, his dad had a huge oil barrel full of porn mags and didn't care if we sat on the porch and read them. "Mixing" was discouraged by most parents, mine included, blacks were widely viewed as inferior humans. There was a carved wooden sign nailed to a tree beside a one-lane bridge leading into a particular part of one community near my neighborhood that said "N***** don't let the sun set on your black ass around here." "Negro" was the politically-correct term for black people.
But that's all changed, Flighty. Lawd have mercy we have seen the light! You can't treat people that way. Not and expect them to like you anyway. Racism has been outlawed. And rightfully so.
So now what? As you say, it isn't ancient history, but it's been 30 years now since the last time black leaders and white leaders looked at the situation from the legislative perspective and decided we're being more than fair to blacks now. There's genuinely not much more we can do for them besides free money, free food, free housing, free education, preferred treatment in the workplace, and tightly-enforced legal protection against discrimination. I suppose it's possible enough time hasn't passed. But to me the situation seems to be deteriorating rather than getting better.
And this problem - that there's nothing more we can do for blacks - has become a real problem now for progressives. Defunding the police is a strong example of a very warped political perspective - blacks are having problems with the criminal justice system so the criminal justice system needs to adjust? Instead of taking the problem to the black community and demanding less crime, we are allowing the progressive community to come to us and demand less enforcement? Is this really where we're at in the race negotiations now - "Let us commit more crimes!?" Or have we, in fact, long ago passed the point of negotiations, having already reached a more-than-fair agreement, and are now entering the realm of lunacy?
You're right about one thing - the USA certainly has its own brand of black people. But they are starting to lose my attention, I have more important matters to attend, and black people are not my problem. For the most part they are their own problem.
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Interesting. Less than a month before he was declared an unlawful appointee.
