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Boris Johnson moved to intensive care:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52192604
Now it makes sense:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...mp/ar-BB12eeHz
Doubt Novartis makes any real money on the drug. It’s cheap , been around forever and there’s no patent on it. Several companies make versions of it, and from what I understand, both they and companies like Bayer are donating large quantities of this. Maybe Trump likes it cause it’s cheap. Who knows with him. Maybe he’s getting advice from one of his personal friends. It does have some side effects, as all drugs do, but seems relatively safe under the guidance of a doctor...which is why it’s going to get tested and used for this around the world anyhow (just as it already was before he opened his mouth about it). I do wish he would shut his big yap at these press conferences and just let the experts and other members of the team do all the talking, or better yet, don’t show up at all or just introduce everyone and leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
Unfortunately, he has a childish inability to do so.
Even if he cares only about reelection the smarter strategy would have been to act early and decisively to get on top of it, then ease off gradually after a prudent period once cases fall to low levels. That would give you a good chance that things would be clearly improving by November. But that would be beyond Trump's skill set and psychological makeup. It's clear that he will be itching to open up the economy again as soon as there is a run of improving data.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
a new era , a new world, all my bullies DEAD or broke, Jesus do Exist and I support him ;)
Well y'all need to get covered in the blood of Jebus and y'all be saved! :praying:Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
Or is it doomed.. :nervous:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH6oZBLe5-U
I'm not sure it's that benign. Not all doctors are equally careful, and Trump's pushing this will lead to many more people taking it without adequate safeguards. The priority being given to this is diverting effort from other potential cures that have better prospects. It also makes the drug harder to get for people who need it for other reasons. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...roquine-170543Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
I think the primary motive is political. He just wants a story to divert attention from his failures, especially ignoring the earlier advice of the medical experts who are now resisting his miracle cure.
Natural selection works in many waysQuote:
Originally Posted by AlexisDVyne
According to Huffington Post (which does not refer to the Brilliant Mr Kushner) the President is receiving advice from Rudolph Giuliani, Peter Nabarro and a businessmen called Bernard Marcus. Thus Giuliani in the Washington Post:Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
"...Giuliani shrugged off concerns from Fauci and other medical experts, telling the Post that Trump agrees with him about hydroxychloroquine.
“I’m sure [Fauci] thinks I am an ignoramus,” Giuliani told the newspaper.
“They’ve thrown cold water on it because they are academics,” he said of scientists. “We’ve got thousands of people dying, sweetheart. And by the time you blind test it, we’ll have 100,000 people who are dead. Why don’t we get in the real world of being a doctor instead of being an academic?”
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...DBzo6yKyv-bdfc
Be afraid, be very afraid.
Death toll for the US 2019/20 Winter period for both coronavirus and flu is less than half of the normal flu deaths od 'normal' years. The figures were released a few days ago.
Source? The CDC data actually show a fairly normal flu season, and they don't include Covid-19 cases. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by Rover177
Covid-19 is just getting started. Don't be an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rover177
If only people would stop being idiots when they were told to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
Seasonal flu fans, check the latest totals here:
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Over 82,000 dead worldwide from coronavirus, and we're nowhere near done with it.
Almost 2,000 people died today in the U.S. from Covid-19. That's an annualized rate of 730,000. We're not even at peak yet either. It takes someone an average of 23 days from the date of infection to die (an average of 18 days from diagnosis; 5 days incubation). When infections peak and begin to fall, deaths continue to spike for at least a couple weeks after. What keeps us from staying at this level and beyond? Either the measures states have instituted or herd immunity. If you don't institute distancing measures it runs through society, kills millions and only stops when a critical mass have gotten it. I don't understand how that's not obvious.
15% of people who get this need to be hospitalized. What do the seasonal flu fans think happens to the death rate if you overload hospital capacity?
You would think the Trump fans would actually take note of what their infallible leader has said - 100,000 to 240,000 deaths predicted even with current measures versus 24,000 to 63,000 flu deaths this year.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/5100446002/
Source was The Australian newspaper; a paper not politically affiliated, articles and opinions from all.
Speaking as someone from New York, if we get to the end of this month and the number of hospitalizations are still dropping, I think we should start lifting some of the restrictions so people can get back to work. Because if we get to April 29th and Governor Cuomo stays he wants to keep the stay at home orders in place for another 2 weeks, you might start seeing a push back against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
While I have no issue with the measures that have been taken, I really don't think enough consideration has been given to the impact they have had on people physically, mentally, and emotionally.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...pital-icu.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by blackchubby38
It's very rare I don't want to write a rebuttal. As an abstract, it's reasonable to consider quality of life and the economy versus the containment of an illness. The reality in this case is different.
Had this been handled even as well as our neighbors to the north did per capita, 10,000 people who are now dead would be alive with about the same amount of sacrifice to our economy. It's a false choice between the economy and the pandemic. If you open up the economy and don't have enough testing and contact tracing, you go right back to the same hell, maybe worse. Anyhow, in the article above you can read a doctor's perspective from the icu. Staying home reduces his risk. Also note it doesn't sound like he's describing anything close to the flu.
You must be joking. The Australian newspaper is owned by Rupert Murdoch, the owner of Fox News. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_AustralianQuote:
Originally Posted by Rover177
I actually work for a hospital that's undergone some massive changes over the past month to handle the surge of Coronavirus patients. As of last count, around 260 patients suffering from the virus have been discharged. So I'm pretty aware of what's going on the front lines of this pandemic. I'm also know that this is nothing like the flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
I'm not saying we get back to normal all at once. Just like we gradually put in place social distancing and stay-at -home orders, we can do same when it comes to re-opening things.
Thank you for all that you're doing. Sincerely. I'll write you back after a night of sleep. I'm not in NYC and don't work in a hospital so I appreciate the insight.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackchubby38
I'm not sure what the right timeline will look like. Preliminarily I feel like the fact we were three weeks late on testing, two to three weeks late on stay at home orders calls for caution once we get things under control. If we could ramp up testing the way South Korea has done, then we can gradually get things going.
Australia is well ahead of the US in terms of flattening the infection curve, and they are only talking cautiously about the possibility of easing some restrictions early next month. It's unclear what that might involve, but I doubt we are going to see restaurants. bars, etc reopening so soon.
speaking from Italy... The virus here has hopefully passed its peak (after 4 weeks of complete lockdown and a lot of deaths)... the numbers are going down but everyone knows that to be back to normality is still very far... i have some hope to go back to a normal life after the summer... I do not know which are the actions taken from the US but from what i see from your numbers let me tell you: your contagion peak is still really far to come... Stay at home and stay safe... this is not like a flu... it's more like a Super Flu and if you have some health problem on your own (any health problem...) or you cannot afford a top quality and quick health assistance from good doctors you are really likely to risk your life if you get it...
Do you believe the numbers from China?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
As a way for them to laugh at the whole world, the number of death stopped at 3,333. Go figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by african1
so, any ladies posting here,how has business been for you?
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/ima...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by blackchubby38 http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/ima...post-right.png
I actually work for a hospital that's undergone some massive changes over the past month to handle the surge of Coronavirus patients. As of last count, around 260 patients suffering from the virus have been discharged. So I'm pretty aware of what's going on the front lines of this pandemic. I'm also know that this is nothing like the flu.
I'm not saying we get back to normal all at once. Just like we gradually put in place social distancing and stay-at -home orders, we can do same when it comes to re-opening things.
I live in NYC too and I agree with you. Testing still isn’t what it should be (or getting lab results , which are backed up all over the place)but it’s different in both -areas around the world , and even counties within different states here. Sometimes it has to do with logistics...sometimes demographics. Hell, the overall numbers in this country alone are disproportionately affected by different areas within it ...such as NYC where we live and entertain right on top of each other. That being said , I don’t know about the country, but NYC isn’t going back full throttle any time soon....but strict isolation will have to end in a couple of months. We may have to isolate differently, or alter living arrangements - whatever - but you can’t do this for another six months. There are simply too many other problems caused by completely shutting things down that simply can’t be ignored. Developing therapeutics could help for sure, as science is going full throttle on this. But you can’t keep emptying out the prisons, as we are doing here and shuttering businesses. A vaccine will take another year. You can’t keep it all completely locked down til then. Who can tolerate that besides hermits and folks with guaranteed upper wage incomes? Obviously , you can’t completely end it overnight, otherwise you can waste all the pain we already out ourselves through, but you have to go back to living, perhaps with some permanent lifestyle changes. Soon.
I guess if anything good comes out of all this - at least it gives the anti-vaxxers something to chew on.
They're likely higher than reported, which doesn't bode well for those pulling for seasonal flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by african1
The gulf between "end of April" and six months is huge. I agree this can't go on forever and it's probably a lot harder in NYC than elsewhere. The only point I'm making is that if you're not at the bottom of the curve with infections and you relax things without any way of tracking new infections, it will ramp up quickly again.Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
https://covid19.healthdata.org/unite...erica/new-york
This is a model a lot of people are looking at. It shows you guys are at peak right about now assuming distancing continues. By May deaths are relatively flat and since deaths trail infection by 23 days, late May would probably be a compromise. I think lots of places are going to be eager to open up in May though, and it just depends how prepared they are with testing what the consequence will be.
Edit: so maybe I agree with you both but think June is a better target. I also am getting some insight into how tough it is to be quarantined in nyc, which I probably should have been able to imagine.
Hey Fred and Blackchubby, what do you guys think about the job De Blasio has done? I don't know NYC politics but every time I read a news article that mentions him the guy is saying or doing something stupid.
Like everything else he has done with this city, a shitty job. In his briefings, he comes off more as begging for things than acting liking a leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
I swear it looks like every person that they released from prison has wound up in my neighborhood.Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
Many politicians right now seem to be judged by two different standards: How they acted before the pandemic...and how they act now. I feel that he fails on both counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
He was always terrible. Unlike many on this site...and even more folks on other social media, I ‘try’ not to let ideology, and the approval of my friends, guide my opinions of politicians. I try (perhaps not always successfully) to let my opinions be judged by their actions, sometimes in comparison to others, and how they will impact my over all life.
DeBlasio is the worst kind of politician: wrapped (and often blinded by) ideology, lazy, corrupt , hypocritical, whiny and often trying to cover his (and his wife’s) tail to the detriment of all others. This, of course covers many, if not most, politicians, but many are often very good at managing staffs and quelling fear - thereby creating more stability in a crisis (right now - Andrew Cuomo is a good example of this - clearly having his own corruption problems, not to mention many glimmers of personal arrogance in the past, but shining as a stable rudder in these shaky times).
Folks in NYC are horrendous when it comes to voting...so DeBlasio won two terms at a time when, either the reanimated corpse of Mayor Abe Beame or a wheel of cheese, would have been a better choice. At first, he blamed all this cities problems and short comings on President Trump - an obvious easy target - until all the investigations brought out the fact that under his administration, everything was inadequately short for years....and then there was the problem of himself and the head of his health administration urging New Yorkers to ignore the virus , go out have fun...go to all the celebrations...live it up...when the virus was already hitting.
So now he says to not point the finger at anyone, because no one really understood the scope of what was coming, having never really dealt with anything like this before. To some extent I believe he’s right in this..but he only pushes it now, because the media already exposed him. But he continues to empty the prisons even beyond what is safe and without any real forethought...and he still whines when given attention. I could go on, but unless you live here, you may not always understand...because to an outsider he seems like such a progressive darling, perhaps, instead of the actual asshole he really is.
Just want to add that, unfortunately New York is basically a one party town. This hurts in in general, because it keeps voters disinterested and often stops the brightest lights from running. The Democratic Party machine runs everything because of this...and when they don’t, it’s often even worse because that’s when ideological extremes win out, since those are the most rabid voters and likely to show up at a sparse election.
I think the key is that he's wedded to an ideology and sees every situation through that prism no matter what's going on. When that sort of thing is a problem for people, stupidity compounds it. That's the sense I've gotten when I've seen examples of his policies and the example you provide with the prison. There's a kernel of a good idea there that he probably misapplies, to everyone's detriment. I asked about him not to pander but because he seemed unusually incompetent to me when I've looked at some of the choices he made.Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
Even when he was asked to close down the schools and he said he didn't want to because kids rely on schools to get their meals. That's an important consideration. So why didn't he close the schools and find a way to provide meals for kids? Because he wanted to make some sort of ideological point about poverty. He could have provided for those kids and dealt with the emerging public health crisis.
We live in a town where ideology now rules - rich hipster gentrifiers vote for politicians vehemently opposed to gentrification. political activists control both houses of the NYS and fight for bail reform, a noble and just cause, but not when it’s to the detriment of public safety. The subways are once again, full of the mentally unstable who live in them...and criminals are once again released to terrorize the neighborhoods they come from...to the cheers of the loudest voices (friends and relations) , but to the quiet fears of their potential victims. This is what ideology has wrought.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackchubby38
Exactly Bronco.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
Australia IS well ahead of us in terms of not having nearly as many infections per capita nor deaths per capita at peak. This is not to diminish what you guys have done because you've clearly handled this situation better than most countries, but what effect do you think weather has?Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
I've read a couple of articles that basically say that warmer weather and humidity doesn't make the virus go away but may make a slight difference in transmissibility which can matter a lot in aggregate. Has there been any talk of that?