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The chance of contracting HIV during receptive intercourse with an HIV positive person is a fraction of percent and it goes even lower from there, the less of a creampie the intercourse ends with. Your tables show no proof of Christian's argument to be untrue.
Personally, I would even question these "scientists' " competence, as they clearly do not know how probability works:
"The risk of getting HIV varies widely depending on the type of exposure or behavior (such as sharing needles or having sex without a condom). Some exposures to HIV carry a much higher risk of transmission than other exposures. For some exposures, while transmission is biologically possible, the risk is so low that it is not possible to put a precise number on it. But risks do add up over time. Even relatively small risks can add up over time and lead to a high lifetime risk of getting HIV. In other words, there may be a relatively small chance of acquiring HIV when engaging in a risk behavior with an infected partner only once; but, if repeated many times, the overall likelihood of becoming infected after repeated exposures is actually much higher. "
- For arguments sake, let's assume that risks are additive. Let's assume that the risk of winning the National lottery is 1%, (or probability is 0,01) That means you have 100% chance of winning the lottery in case that you buy 100 tickets. (complete bullshit, of course). Moreover, if you buy 101 or more tickets, probability reaches values above 1, and risk - of above 100%, which is of course nonsense.
- Maths aside, I would personally argue with statements like "the more you get exposed to a bacteria or virus, the higher the risk you will actually get sick". I think everybody can agree that this is actually the opposite to the truth and would contradict the whole idea of vaccination, or various germs getting immune to drugs.
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Ts RedVeX
"It may be a good idea for Christian to give the models a form to fill out with questions that encourage them to provide information of "Do's" and "Don'ts", information that they may be uncomfortable verbally communicating. Maybe that's already done and is being ignored. I don't know." - bassman2546
- I am really looking forward to Steven addressing my question about democracy within a socialist company I have raised here: http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?73366-The-FAST-Approaching-Gun-Ban&p=1805022&viewfull=1#post1805022 Might as well answer here, as it is more relevant since someone brought it up.
Also, fred41, I am also really looking forward to "Somebody" to propose establishing a Ministry of Porn in order to put things in order, so that no Chelsea Poo is going to feel offended, abused, excluded etc.
As in :
'Will you or won't you have unpaid off camera sex with me regardless of how much you don't want to and as long as I bully, coerce, sulk and tantrum throw enough until you give in ?'
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LongTom101
As in :
'Will you or won't you have unpaid off camera sex with me regardless of how much you don't want to and as long as I bully, coerce, sulk and tantrum throw enough until you give in ?'
Yeah, that's the opposite of what I wrote and the opposite of the attitude I'm portraying.
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I have no desire to enter into this argument. I do wish to correct some statements as they pertain to matters that could effect the future health of readers who take them to be true.
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Ts RedVeX
The chance of contracting HIV during receptive intercourse with an HIV positive person is a fraction of percent and it goes even lower from there, the less of a creampie the intercourse ends with. Your tables show no proof of Christian's argument to be untrue.
Personally, I would even question these "scientists' " competence, as they clearly do not know how probability works:
"The risk of getting HIV varies widely depending on the type of exposure or behavior (such as sharing needles or having sex without a condom). Some exposures to HIV carry a much higher risk of transmission than other exposures. For some exposures, while transmission is biologically possible, the risk is so low that it is not possible to put a precise number on it. But risks do add up over time. Even relatively small risks can add up over time and lead to a high lifetime risk of getting HIV. In other words, there may be a relatively small chance of acquiring HIV when engaging in a risk behavior with an infected partner only once; but, if repeated many times, the overall likelihood of becoming infected after repeated exposures is actually much higher. "
- For arguments sake, let's assume that risks are additive. Let's assume that the risk of winning the National lottery is 1%, (or probability is 0,01) That means you have 100% chance of winning the lottery in case that you buy 100 tickets. (complete bullshit, of course). Moreover, if you buy 101 or more tickets, probability reaches values above 1, and risk - of above 100%, which is of course nonsense.
- Maths aside, I would personally argue with statements like "the more you get exposed to a bacteria or virus, the higher the risk you will actually get sick". I think everybody can agree that this is actually the opposite to the truth and would contradict the whole idea of vaccination, or various germs getting immune to drugs.
To be fair, the quote is “...risks do add up over time...” which is not the same as saying the risks are additive. If the risk of winning the lottery by purchasing one ticket is 1% , and you buy 100 tickets, then the probability that at least one is a winner is (1-(0.99^100)); i.e. just over 63%. In this sense risks do indeed add up over time.
The more you get exposed to a bacteria or virus the greater becomes the risk that you will indeed become infected. Once infected you may or may not develop an immunity. That all depends on the nature of the infectious agent and whether the human immune system is capable of dealing with it. We know that there is no effective immune response to HIV. In fact HIV attacks the human immune system.
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Ts RedVeX
The chance of contracting HIV during receptive intercourse with an HIV positive person is a fraction of percent and it goes even lower from there, the less of a creampie the intercourse ends with. Your tables show no proof of Christian's argument to be untrue.
Personally, I would even question these "scientists' " competence, as they clearly do not know how probability works:
The probability according to the cdc of contracting hiv from insertive anal is 11 per 10,000. This is a little bit more likely than 1 in a 1000. Do you think that's only slightly different from 1 in 10,000,000?
One might say that the odds do not apply in his case because of multiple contingencies that make it less likely he's hiv positive, but that defeats the purpose of using available statistics...if he does not have hiv then the probability of transmission is zero, no matter what the exposure. The issue is how likely these acts are to transmit hiv, and in the case of insertive anal, it's not something that doesn't happen or that is so remote to be a non-risk.
Did your intuition tell you that the person with two lottery tickets was not more likely to win than the person with one? Forget whether it's linear or how to calculate it for a second, the language in the article only said that the more exposures a person has, the more likely overall they are to contract hiv. Given the fact that the immune system does not effectively combat the virus, why would that not be true?
Anyhow, the point was not to attack Christian or weigh in at all on the other questions, except on one thing which we can all agree on. Let's not further confuse the issues by making hiv transmission seem so remote that there is only one route of transmission....a fairly minor point that has consequences for people beyond their interactions with one person, but as a matter of general health. Can't we agree that people should check the available epidemiological data if they are concerned about hiv?
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To be honest, I dont think christian is a good performer. All his shoots are boring. I avoid all his videos, even if the hottest women are in them.
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LittleGuy
To be honest, I dont think christian is a good performer. All his shoots are boring. I avoid all his videos, even if the hottest women are in them.
you didn´t
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bassman2546
Yeah, that's the opposite of what I wrote and the opposite of the attitude I'm portraying.
Yeah, no shit Shercock !
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Trish, I would like you to give me the title of the book that teaches thah probability works the way you suggest... It does not matter how many times you play the lottery, or how many tickets you buy, the probability of winning remains the same.
The probability contracting HIV depends heavily on the amount of viral load and the immune system of the load's recipient. I don't know what sort of people were the "lab rats", I actually find it difficult to believe that anyone sane and fully healthy would even participate in it, but there are many factors that may diminish the risks shown by the table - whether to as little as 1:10M, i dunno - just making a point. Because once again you are given something with "gov" in it and you blindly believe in it as if it was some sort of an oracle.
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Ts RedVeX
Trish, I would like you to give me the title of the book that teaches thah probability works the way you suggest... It does not matter how many times you play the lottery, or how many tickets you buy, the probability of winning remains the same.
The probability contracting HIV depends heavily on the amount of viral load and the immune system of the load's recipient. I don't know what sort of people were the "lab rats", I actually find it difficult to believe that anyone sane and fully healthy would even participate in it, but there are many factors that may diminish the risks shown by the table - whether to as little as 1:10M, i dunno - just making a point. Because once again you are given something with "gov" in it and you blindly believe in it as if it was some sort of an oracle.
A couple of things real quickly. One site is a government site but if you look at some of the footnotes in what I provided, they are articles in journals such as the American Journal of Epidemiology.
You are right that it's difficult to get quality data, but if you cite a statistic, it should be based on available data; would it be useful to calculate probability of contracting hiv given multiple risk factors and more details about the nature of the acts and the members of the cohorts? Yes, but you may not have data to analyze such specific risk factors, in which case, you might say why there is reason to believe the real probability is less or more but you can't say by how much.
Finally, I believe you are conflating the odds of hiv per act versus what the odds are cumulatively based on many acts. The same principle applies to your lottery example...
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OK, Trish, you got me on this one. The lottery is not the best example. It still does not explain what those tables actually show.
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Trish, I would like you to give me the title of the book that teaches thah probability works the way you suggest... It does not matter how many times you play the lottery, or how many tickets you buy, the probability of winning remains the same.
Consider something really simple: coin flipping. Given a fair coin the probability of tossing a Heads is 1/2. Suppose you toss it and you in fact get Heads the first time. The probability that you get Heads on the second toss is also 1/2 (successive coin tossings are generally regarded as independent events). Each time you toss the coin the probability of getting a Heads is 1/2.
Now suppose you start with a fair coin. You agree to toss it twice and record the result (Heads or Tails) each time. We’ll write HH, if you get Heads both times. HT if you get a heads on the first toss and tails on the second. We’ll write TH if vice-versa, and we’ll write TT if both tosses give you Tails. Before you even begin tossing you can ask (and answer) the question, “What is the probability that I’ll get Heads on each toss?” There are four possible outcomes HH, HT, TH and TT. The probability is one chance in four; i.e. 1/4.
Instead suppose you decided to toss the coin three times in a row. Now the possibilities are HHH, HHT, HTH, HTT, THH, THT, TTH, TTT. So the probability of tossing three Heads in a row starting with the first toss is one chance in eight, or 1/8. This is also the probability of tossing three Tails in a row. Also notice the probability of tossing at least one Head is 7/8.
In general, imagine a simple random experiment, like tossing a coin or playing some other game of chance where the outcome is binary - say Infected or NotInfected - and imagine you perform the experiment exactly N times. If the outcomes are independent each time you do the experiment the probability of outcome NotInfected is the same each time you perform the experiment - say q. So the probability the result is NotInfected each and every time; i.e. N times in a row is, q to the Nth power which I’ll denote by (q^N). So the probability of getting Infected at least once is (1-(q^N)).
Actual life can be a good deal more complex than a game. No two sexual encounters, even between the same two people are the same and so the quantity q may change from encounter to encounter. One can sometimes substitute in the above technique an average q or a minimal value for q to obtain conservative predictions.
CORRECTION: Also in the example of the lottery ticket I was wrong because those experimental outcomes are not independent. For example, if there is only one winning ticket and if 0.01 is the probability that any given ticket is the winning ticket, then there must have been only one hundred tickets to begin with. If I buy all one hundred tickets, I’ll for sure get the winning ticket.
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GroobySteven
Ok I'm not going to get into each comment here - other than to say, among the girls that spoke out, there were only two which had genuine complaints.
The others were general bickering and trying to create mischief (something both Jamie and Chelsea Pug excel in doing).
The industry is problematic and addressing it is important, even in the way it's being done here. I think there may be problems the way some producers work and that may also need addressing, but also look at the actual accusations and separate genuine complaints from just people who dislike him.
Given what has been happening in Hollywood, the media, and politics recently, I had a feeling that we would begin to hear stories about abuse from performers in the porn industry. I think it is important to address those issues as well. But the only thing I will add is part of the post that I made in another thread:
"I think what's happening is the line is being blurred between what's immoral and what's illegal. What should be settled in a criminal case and what could probably be settled in either civil court or with an apology. What charge ends a career and which one doesn't. Both the mainstream and social media are responsible for this because how fast these stories are coming in. We are at the point where there's a least one a day and depending on how famous the person is or how severe the charges are, the story can last for quite some time.
I think its important for the mainstream media to do its due diligence and try to distinguish and differentiate between each case to make sure the wrong people aren't caught up in the frenzy. Mob justice whether its in real life or on the internet is very a dangerous thing to be on the receiving end of".
While that post applied to the role of the media in the allegations of sexual misconduct, I think a portion of it can be applied to how these things should be handled in the porn industry. If a person's career is going to come to an end, I want make sure its for a genuine complaint and not for a misunderstanding or because that person is disliked.
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blackchubby38
Given what has been happening in Hollywood, the media, and politics recently, I had a feeling that we would begin to hear stories about abuse from performers in the porn industry. I think it is important to address those issues as well. But the only thing I will add is part of the post that I made in another thread:
"I think what's happening is the line is being blurred between what's immoral and what's illegal. What should be settled in a criminal case and what could probably be settled in either civil court or with an apology. What charge ends a career and which one doesn't. Both the mainstream and social media are responsible for this because how fast these stories are coming in. We are at the point where there's a least one a day and depending on how famous the person is or how severe the charges are, the story can last for quite some time.
I think its important for the mainstream media to do its due diligence and try to distinguish and differentiate between each case to make sure the wrong people aren't caught up in the frenzy. Mob justice whether its in real life or on the internet is very a dangerous thing to be on the receiving end of".
While that post applied to the role of the media in the allegations of sexual misconduct, I think a portion of it can be applied to how these things should be handled in the porn industry. If a person's career is going to come to an end, I want make sure its for a genuine complaint and not for a misunderstanding or because that person is disliked.
James Deen got accused by a number of big name performers a couple years ago. Not sure how his career is fairing right now but a lot of people cut ties with him when the allegations first surfaced. Legally, I'm guessing nothing has taken place either. I forgot the name of the director, but Tori Black had also accused that director of abuse on set. Nikki Benz also came out a while back stalking about on set abuse. Not really physical abuse in the violent sense but definitely abuse of someone's trust, Mr. Marcus had a reputation among lots of performers for "accidentally" cumming in women without their consent.
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What porn sites did you shoot for?
I never had sex with my producers to get a job lol
There is no casting couch..try out period as far as I know..
You either have a bad scene or you don't...lol
The fans will determine your fate..
And there is professionalism on set as well..I never did stuff with my scene partner when the camera turned off..Giovanni you have a delusional view of how porn is shot lol
Nor have any trans producers/male talent I worked for touched me outside the shoot or when the camera was off..
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You were right in reference to the lottery. I did not specify how many tickets were available. I only specified the probability of winning, so you could have possibly been right. The reason why it was not a good example was exactly that it would not reflect the fact that Christian does not shoot only with HIV positive people and that he shoots with different models most of the time, so they have to be considered (mostly) independent events.
Anyways, I would not believe anything one reads on-line without at least a bit of processing the info beforehand, which was meant to be my point originally.
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As far as Christian goes I can only speak from my own experience with him. We have fought online etc, but when I met him in person he was polite and didn't take photos of me like he does to put girls on his blog cause I asked him not to. He respected my choice.
As far as the other girls..I can't speak for them or defend them cause I don't know the situations..and can only speak from my own views.
Christian can be aggressive to get a scene shot with said girl, but still that's not sexual harassment.
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SanDiegoPervySage
James Deen got accused by a number of big name performers a couple years ago. Not sure how his career is fairing right now but a lot of people cut ties with him when the allegations first surfaced. Legally, I'm guessing nothing has taken place either. I forgot the name of the director, but Tori Black had also accused that director of abuse on set. Nikki Benz also came out a while back stalking about on set abuse. Not really physical abuse in the violent sense but definitely abuse of someone's trust, Mr. Marcus had a reputation among lots of performers for "accidentally" cumming in women without their consent.
I had heard about the accusations against James Dean before and debated bringing it up in my initial post.
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Yup the James Deen situation and Nikki Benz vs Tony D popped into my head as well. I don’t think it affected either of the dude’s careers. In fact, Deen was at the AVN Awards later that year.
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SanDiegoPervySage
James Deen got accused by a number of big name performers a couple years ago. Not sure how his career is fairing right now but a lot of people cut ties with him when the allegations first surfaced. Legally, I'm guessing nothing has taken place either. I forgot the name of the director, but Tori Black had also accused that director of abuse on set. Nikki Benz also came out a while back stalking about on set abuse. Not really physical abuse in the violent sense but definitely abuse of someone's trust, Mr. Marcus had a reputation among lots of performers for "accidentally" cumming in women without their consent.
Mr. Clean is no James Deen lol.
But let us not forget the old Hedgehog. Ron Jeremy thinks it is his god given right to pull a starlet’s tit out of her top and begin suckling like a newborn at any and all porn gatherings
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broncofan
The probability according to the cdc of contracting hiv from insertive anal is 11 per 10,000. This is a little bit more likely than 1 in a 1000.
To put it simply, that means that if you had unprotected sex 1000 times then on average you could expect to contract hiv. The probability for receptive sex is much higher at 138 per 10,000. That means that if you had unprotected sex only 72 times then on average you could expect to contract hiv.
To be clear, though, these statistics are based on averages across the population sample, so they are equivalent to the situation where you know nothing about the other person. If you know your partner has recently tested negative then the risks would be much lower. Of course, there could be other factors that go the other way.
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In my own life I practice safe sex. However, if others are comfortable with unprotected sex, it doesn't really matter what the likelihood of disease or wanted pregnancy is- that is their choice, and I can respect that. That is my issue right there - it is someone's choice to have protected or unprotected sex. Pressuring or harassing someone to do something they are not comfortable with is inappropriate in my opinion, particularly when it is in relation to something as intimate as sex.
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dreamon
In my own life I practice safe sex. However, if others are comfortable with unprotected sex, it doesn't really matter what the likelihood of disease or wanted pregnancy is- that is their choice, and I can respect that. That is my issue right there - it is someone's choice to have protected or unprotected sex. Pressuring or harassing someone to do something they are not comfortable with is inappropriate in my opinion, particularly when it is in relation to something as intimate as sex.
I would think this is not just your choice but also something you have to decide along with your partner, or partners. No matter how independent and individual we think we are, the consequences of our actions connect us to others. I do agree that there’s no point in badgering anyone who is fully aware of the risks that they and their partners are taking...but I do think it’s appropriate to inform anyone of those risks if there’s reason to believe they are unaware of them.
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filghy2
To put it simply, that means that if you had unprotected sex 1000 times then on average you could expect to contract hiv. The probability for receptive sex is much higher at 138 per 10,000. That means that if you had unprotected sex only 72 times then on average you could expect to contract hiv.
To be clear, though, these statistics are based on averages across the population sample, so they are equivalent to the situation where you know nothing about the other person. If you know your partner has recently tested negative then the risks would be much lower. Of course, there could be other factors that go the other way.
Roughly correct. Please allow me to tweak it a bit. If 1000 uninfected people had unprotected sex with an infected partner, the statistic predicts 1.1 people (on average) will contract the infection. On average means that we imagine the experiment (involving a different set 1001 people each time) is performed N times and the results averaged. The probability of one person becoming infected.
The figure 11/10000 is taken to be the independent probability that you will contract the HIV virus if you have one unprotected sexual encounter with an HIV infected partner. The probability of not acquiring the virus is 1-11/10000 = 9989/10000. This is the q I referred to in post #92. So the probability that you will acquire the virus after having 1000 unprotected encounters is (1-(9989/10000)^1000). This works out to be a little more than 0.667 ; i.e. there’s a 66.7% chance you’ll be infected.
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Hey, let's come back to our tables for a second :D It says in this one: https://www.aidsmap.com/Estimated-ri...8/#item1324093
| Receptive anal sex amongst gay men, partner HIV positive |
0.82% (1:123) |
All in all, the probability of encountering and contracting HIV is 0.006% so 6 in 100000 xd I think that table is part of some sort of anti-gay propaganda, because right above the 0.82% it says:
| Receptive anal sex amongst gay men, partner unknown status |
0.27% (1:370) |
Perfect example of homophobic communist propaganda.
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trish
I would think this is not just your choice but also something you have to decide along with your partner, or partners. No matter how independent and individual we think we are, the consequences of our actions connect us to others. I do agree that there’s no point in badgering anyone who is fully aware of the risks that they and their partners are taking...but I do think it’s appropriate to inform anyone of those risks if there’s reason to believe they are unaware of them.
Roughly correct. Please allow me to tweak it a bit. If 1000 uninfected people had unprotected sex with an infected partner, the statistic predicts 1.1 people (on average) will contract the infection. On average means that we imagine the experiment (involving a different set 1001 people each time) is performed N times and the results averaged. The probability of one person becoming infected.
The figure 11/10000 is taken to be the independent probability that you will contract the HIV virus if you have one unprotected sexual encounter with an HIV infected partner. The probability of not acquiring the virus is 1-11/10000 = 9989/10000. This is the q I referred to in post #92. So the probability that you will acquire the virus after having 1000 unprotected encounters is (1-(9989/10000)^1000). This works out to be a little more than 0.667 ; i.e. there’s a 66.7% chance you’ll be infected.
Those numbers work well for calculating the risk of hiv infection in any random encounter, or cumulatively with multiple random partners. But aren't we really talking about sex with trans people? Among whom the CDC claims 22% are HIV+
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender...der/index.html
Probably the percentage of trans sex workers who are HIV+ is higher than this.
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I’ll be brief as this thread is already way off track. The independent probability of you in particular acquiring the HIV virus via a single sexual encounter depends on you, your sexual behaviors and those of your pool of partners. The formula in post #92 shows that however small that probability is, all things being equal over time, the probability that you will acquire the virus rises with the number of your sexual encounters and asymptotically approaches certainty. The CDC stats are objective and as accurate as possible. Were they attempting to spread homophobia and communism there would be more effective methods than posting charts, numbers and graphs on an obscure government website. Their concern is to provide researchers and policy makers agencies accurate epidemiological data.
Now back to the relevant topic: Christian, his accusers and his defenders. Please.
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Not related to this thread but I sexually harass my penis several times a week
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trish
... the probability that you will acquire the virus rises with the number of your sexual encounters and asymptotically approaches certainty.
I love a girl who knows her asymptotes from her tangents ... ;)
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LittleGuy
Not related to this thread but I sexually harass my penis several times a week
Poor thing. You're lucky it hasn't leaked to the media, adding to the daily drip, drip, drip of these horrid stories. On the other hand, maybe it's your penis that sexually harassing you. These things are sticky you know - oops! - I mean tricky - eww - gotta go.
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LittleGuy
Not related to this thread but I sexually harass my penis several times a week
great...
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trish
...Now back to the relevant topic: Christian, his accusers and his defenders. Please.
I can’t help but notice that Christian issued no denial. Just a few words to the effect that if you work with a lot of people some won’t like you.
It would be cool to read a clear cut “I didn’t do that,” or alternatively “Shit! I didn’t realize what I did would be taken that way. I won’t do it again.”
Of course, Christian isn’t accountable to me.
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trish
So the probability that you will acquire the virus after having 1000 unprotected encounters is (1-(9989/10000)^1000). This works out to be a little more than 0.667 ; i.e. there’s a 66.7% chance you’ll be infected.
Aha, so it takes only 630 unprotected encounters for the probability of being infected to rise above 50%. I guess I should have been thinking in terms of geometric averages rather than arithmetic.
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Great data point....
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KelliBlueEyes
Those numbers work well for calculating the risk of hiv infection in any random encounter, or cumulatively with multiple random partners. But aren't we really talking about sex with trans people? Among whom the CDC claims 22% are HIV+
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender...der/index.html
Probably the percentage of trans sex workers who are HIV+ is higher than this.
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This is bullshit. Christian is not an abuser.
I read everything.
A lot of complaining about money/business. If you embark on a career in entertainment, there WILL be disagreements about $$$ and promises, if you don’t like how a person or company does things, don’t work with them. Nobody is forcing you to work with anyone. Condoms/sex acts/whatever. You can always say no and go home. At any time. It’s that simple.
A lot of not saying no and expecting him to read your mind. If anyone crosses any kind of personal line with you, whether it’s sex, drugs, hurt feelings, disrespect, or whatever, if you don’t protest or leave, how are they supposed to know? If you say no, and they keep touching you, then that’s different, but if you don’t communicate, how can they know?
A lot of not liking his attitude. Which if he offends you so much, don’t film, leave. Offending =/= abuse.
Nobody is forcing you to have sex w/Christian. Even if he was the only man making trans porn. You can go make your own porn.
It’s a myth that everyone has problems with Christian. I never had any issues negotiating with him. Even when I didn’t agree to his terms. He was just like, “Ok let me know if you change your mind.” Simple. If you don’t come at him with attitude, he won’t give you any. A lot of girls seem to refuse his offers then insult him, call him arrogant, etc. then expect him to be unphased and be perfectly polite in return. Which I think he does a pretty good job doing actually.
I’ve met him in person a few times as well and I’ve had no issues with him then either. All good times.
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Michelle Firestone
This is bullshit. Christian is not an abuser.
I read everything.
A lot of complaining about money/business. If you embark on a career in entertainment, there WILL be disagreements about $$$ and promises, if you don’t like how a person or company does things, don’t work with them. Nobody is forcing you to work with anyone. Condoms/sex acts/whatever. You can always say no and go home. At any time. It’s that simple.
A lot of not saying no and expecting him to read your mind. If anyone crosses any kind of personal line with you, whether it’s sex, drugs, hurt feelings, disrespect, or whatever, if you don’t protest or leave, how are they supposed to know? If you say no, and they keep touching you, then that’s different, but if you don’t communicate, how can they know?
A lot of not liking his attitude. Which if he offends you so much, don’t film, leave. Offending =/= abuse.
Nobody is forcing you to have sex w/Christian. Even if he was the only man making trans porn. You can go make your own porn.
It’s a myth that everyone has problems with Christian. I never had any issues negotiating with him. Even when I didn’t agree to his terms. He was just like, “Ok let me know if you change your mind.” Simple. If you don’t come at him with attitude, he won’t give you any. A lot of girls seem to refuse his offers then insult him, call him arrogant, etc. then expect him to be unphased and be perfectly polite in return. Which I think he does a pretty good job doing actually.
I’ve met him in person a few times as well and I’ve had no issues with him then either. All good times.
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Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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Michelle Firestone
This is bullshit. Christian is not an abuser.
I read everything.
A lot of complaining about money/business. If you embark on a career in entertainment, there WILL be disagreements about $$$ and promises, if you don’t like how a person or company does things, don’t work with them. Nobody is forcing you to work with anyone. Condoms/sex acts/whatever. You can always say no and go home. At any time. It’s that simple.
A lot of not saying no and expecting him to read your mind. If anyone crosses any kind of personal line with you, whether it’s sex, drugs, hurt feelings, disrespect, or whatever, if you don’t protest or leave, how are they supposed to know? If you say no, and they keep touching you, then that’s different, but if you don’t communicate, how can they know?
A lot of not liking his attitude. Which if he offends you so much, don’t film, leave. Offending =/= abuse.
Nobody is forcing you to have sex w/Christian. Even if he was the only man making trans porn. You can go make your own porn.
It’s a myth that everyone has problems with Christian. I never had any issues negotiating with him. Even when I didn’t agree to his terms. He was just like, “Ok let me know if you change your mind.” Simple. If you don’t come at him with attitude, he won’t give you any. A lot of girls seem to refuse his offers then insult him, call him arrogant, etc. then expect him to be unphased and be perfectly polite in return. Which I think he does a pretty good job doing actually.
I’ve met him in person a few times as well and I’ve had no issues with him then either. All good times.
very honest ...thanks
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Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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Ts RedVeX
Which would suggest that pretty much only gay men have HIV... Let's see then. if half of the population are men and 4% of them are gay and all the 51 million HIV positive are within that group, then the probability of encountering an HIV positive gay man is 0.367. multiply that my the 0.82% and you get 0.3% That is just too damn close to the 0.27%... Especially that if you instead apply the current population of 7.6billion to that very anti-gay way of calculating the probability, you get exactly 0.27%. Perfect example of homophobic communist propaganda.
Nice try, but why are you using the 51m figure when the link you provided clearly says 36.7m? More importantly, you miss the point that these probabilities are for men having unprotected anal sex, not for all gay men. The risk of someone in the category being infected will obviously be much higher than for the gay population as a whole (the figures imply it is 0.27/0.82=33%).
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Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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Michelle Firestone
A lot of not saying no and expecting him to read your mind. If anyone crosses any kind of personal line with you, whether it’s sex, drugs, hurt feelings, disrespect, or whatever, if you don’t protest or leave, how are they supposed to know? If you say no, and they keep touching you, then that’s different, but if you don’t communicate, how can they know?
Except, and I'm not saying anything happened, I don't know...verbal communication works both ways. You're supposed to see if it's okay before you start pawing someone else's body. In the real world, you can't just start pawing someone's body or take your dick out before there's a signal that it's okay. That's how the real world is supposed to work.
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Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
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Originally Posted by
Michelle Firestone
This is bullshit. Christian is not an abuser.
I read everything.
A lot of complaining about money/business. If you embark on a career in entertainment, there WILL be disagreements about $$$ and promises, if you don’t like how a person or company does things, don’t work with them. Nobody is forcing you to work with anyone. Condoms/sex acts/whatever. You can always say no and go home. At any time. It’s that simple.
A lot of not saying no and expecting him to read your mind. If anyone crosses any kind of personal line with you, whether it’s sex, drugs, hurt feelings, disrespect, or whatever, if you don’t protest or leave, how are they supposed to know? If you say no, and they keep touching you, then that’s different, but if you don’t communicate, how can they know?
A lot of not liking his attitude. Which if he offends you so much, don’t film, leave. Offending =/= abuse.
Nobody is forcing you to have sex w/Christian. Even if he was the only man making trans porn. You can go make your own porn.
It’s a myth that everyone has problems with Christian. I never had any issues negotiating with him. Even when I didn’t agree to his terms. He was just like, “Ok let me know if you change your mind.” Simple. If you don’t come at him with attitude, he won’t give you any. A lot of girls seem to refuse his offers then insult him, call him arrogant, etc. then expect him to be unphased and be perfectly polite in return. Which I think he does a pretty good job doing actually.
I’ve met him in person a few times as well and I’ve had no issues with him then either. All good times.
Verbal and non verbal cues given. Lets not act like body language is no longer taken into consideration.
"I'd prefer not to mention everything he did, but one thing that angered me quite a bit was the choking. The universal sign to ease up on choking is a tap, I tapped Christian several times and he didn't stop choking me."-Oriana Frost
"We got into his car and he immediately tried kissing me, french kissing me. I pulled away and he took me to my hotel (that I had to pay for)."-Oriana Frost
"There, after a god damn ten hour flight that should have been 5 hours max, he explained that he needed to film a "teaser" for the videos. I declined because I looked and felt like hell. He kept persisting and I relented, at no time was I told that this "teaser" would be sold, he described in such a way that it seemed very much like a trailer for the scenes."-Oriana Frost
"During this wait Christian approached me again, grabbed me by the waist and tried making out with me. I pushed away and told him that I wasn't interested in doing anything I wasn't hired for, and that I would wait for Damien. Christian said, "It wouldn't kill you to be affectionate." To which I replied, "I will be when we start filming." Christian walked away and was distant and sulky for the majority of the day."-Oriana Frost
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Re: 8 big names speak out of abuse from christian
HA has an abundance of number crunching talent in Red Vex, Kelli Blu and Trish. So here's another crunch, with input from CXXX requested. We have 8 complaints. CXXX, how many different talents have appeared on your T-ecosystem inception to date. If any others want to voice complaints, let them speak or forever hold their peace. Let Grooby Steven weigh in on whether CXXX's complaints ratio is out of line with industry standards. If he is, I suspect he'll figure out a solution, being the savvy marketer that he is. And let's stop vilifying industry participants for speaking on this. Sex harassment complaints in porn are a new frontier. Mistakes will be made, and hopefully will be rectified, not punished.
