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Originally Posted by dirkmcgee
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Grow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirkmcgee
I don't respect anyone who can't respect themselves
She speaks for a lot of trans people, who are afraid of being labelled "evil" by the far-left wokeists.
She has a strong point - the far-left wokeists do give all trans people a bad name.
I don't agree with her saying one has to have dysphoria to be trans. Not all such people are posers or have bad intentions.
this entire woke bs is a virus. at worst a conspiracy by the elites. how we had shit in the 1990s was best - we didn't label edgy humour as offensive, or need safe spaces in univerisites to help oversensitive kids. or push non-black historical figures as black to make minorities feel better. Like there's never been a film on Mansa Musa - richest man who ever lived proportionally who was in all likelihood black. No fat acceptance either. fat people shouldn't be bullied but being overweight is not healthy nor physiologically normal.
We need people like Blaire. She's not perfect but at least she's a counter to the wokeist infestation.
Dumb post. In the 90s before “woke” there was “politically correct” and before that was “bleeding heart liberal”. It seems like you might actually be the emotionally fragile snowflake who needs a safe space to protect you from the ideas and opinions that don’t precisely mirror your own. Stop being so fucking gullible, turn off FoxNews or whatever garbage you’re polluting your mind with. Practically every day I see idiotic comments about the “woke FBI” and “woke corporations” and other ridiculous nonsense, and I wonder if these people have enough intelligence to even tie their own shoelaces?Quote:
Originally Posted by holzz
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Originally Posted by Luke Warm
Lmao, you sound fucking stupid.
Cry harder, sweetie.
Cry while you stroke it.
And yes, in the 1990s excessive PC was called out. it's not now, and has morphed into wokeism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke Warm
I'm not American and don't watch Fox News. And yes, things are getting too woke. Because i don't have to accept other opinions, especially some that don't make sense or are harmful or virulent.
Keep on wanting your safe spaces in uni, over petty bs. or demanding white historical characters are black. You just look retarded and dim, and want the rest of society to match you.
Yep, in the 1990s, it was cool. we dismissed loonies as loonies with their hyper-PC views, but now that's the mainstream. it's people like you who endorse them that are the problem.
If you need a university safe space to keep you from learning about genocide when studying 20th century Europe, that's on you. Or don't conflate standard progressivism or anti-bigotry with wokeism.
If the original freedom fighters, Dr. King, Malcolm X, or Gandhi, resurrected and saw wokeism they'd see it as a perversion of what they advocated. they never thought nor said people should be that weak. They all valued inquiry and good discourse.
But apparently, wokeism is just something white, conservative Americans believe in - and that doesn't describe me at all. https://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news...rsity-ranking/. Wokeism is an unhealthy neo-Marxist perversion of standard progressivism. Saying "we shouldn't have sexual discrimination in the workplace" is fine". Saying "we shouldn't teach about slavery or native American oppression history lesson about 18th century Europe" is woke cringe. It's not as if slavery was a thing back then, and native Americans weren't oppressed. but oh noooo! it hurts some little young adult prick's feelings, so noooooo!!
But my white, American, conservative ass can't handle different opinions. loooooool.
That's the ANTI-woke argument. They refuse to acknowledge the parts of history that portray the USA or especially white Americans in a negative light.Quote:
Originally Posted by holzz
Yes, what i said was anti-woke. Wokeism is not standard progressivism. Isn't that what I said?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
Seems you want your country to descend into a race war. good. I'm not American and won't be affected.
Waht's good is you guys saying your Lost Cause myth is invalid. Lots of white Americans would say that, along with Jim Crow, native American genocide, Japanese internment, etc. were not good. And? How is that not acknowledging parts of your history that are "making white people" bad?
What's bad is the woke culture emanating from your movie studios, like making Cleopatra black. There are plenty of real-life black herorines to focus on. Hollywood writers are Ivy-League educated and they wasted their expensive and exclusive educations if they don't have that level of imagination.
Maybe you and he can prove how wokeism is the same as standard progressivism. I doubt you could.
As I'm not American, you solve your own issues.
There are ways to combat bigotry and your wokeism is a misguided way to do it.
Either way, Blaire White speaks for a sizeable proportion of trans people who dislike some facets of trans culture.
You're also not comprehensible. I don't think you understand the debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by holzz
The standard strawman argument that has absolutely no basis in fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
What's being refused to be acknowledged is either absolutely false history (the 1619 Project), or disgustingly divisive discussions on racial hierarchy in elementary schools that when boiled down to it, are flat out segregationist in nature.
No one gives a fuck if a serious analysis of slavery or say Black Wall Street is being taught.
Florida has legislated feelings:Quote:
Originally Posted by dirkmcgee
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carliep...or-their-race/
I understand all right. You just made a number of half-points, and assume the world has to accept your woke agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
You assume I embrace everything that's "woke" simply because I oppose the opposite extreme. There is a vast middle ground. Apparently the UK is no different from a lot of the USA in not understanding that.Quote:
Originally Posted by holzz
She’s a sellout chasing the money for her “stances”. Anyone who supports Trump
is not a middle of the road conservative. She’s going full right wing because she knows the idiots on that side will support her if she plays to them. She’s a circus clown for entertainment and she knows what she’s doing.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...m-ban-00098492Quote:
Originally Posted by dirkmcgee
Lots of white Americans accept the bad shit past white Americans did. You both mentioned woke is good. if that's what you think, so be it. I disagree strongly since it's an irrational and divisive ideology. Normal egalitarianism is well-reasoned; woke isn't. One can acknowledge native American genocide without being woke. Or making half-points for kicks without even stating what wokeism is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
WTF? Which other person am I?Quote:
Originally Posted by holzz
And "woke" is in the eye of the beholder. If you simply define it as anything you oppose it's meaningless.
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Originally Posted by Veal Cutlet
Didn't conservatives cancelled Colin Kaepernick?
no, most normal egalitarianism isn't opposed by reasonable people and only opposed by bigots and extremists. they're the ones who oppose women voting, or not discriminating against people in workplaces based on sex or race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
wokeists like you push all these weird ideals. there's a massive difference. Most people accept this difference. You try and equate normal egalitarianism with wokeism as a Trojan horse for your ideals.
and for those who challenge that - in the USA, do Carlson or Shapiro ever say discriminating against people on the basis of being women or non-white in workplaces are good? Do they say that the police SHOULD beat black people for nothing, just for being black? no. Old-school egalitarianism is about ensuring equity in all cases systemically.
They do oppose far-left woke bs. which apparently we all need to embrace. Like shit like this - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...es-willow-tree. No connection to black women let alone people, but nooooo. it's oh so wrong.
but you do you, sir. using trojan horse tactics of pushing legitimate egalitarianism and equality with your Neo-Marxist inspired ideals. looool.
lol. you make life harder for all minorities by mixing your supposed egalitarianism with far-left neo-marxist ideals. you do you bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo
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Originally Posted by holzz
Interesting contrast. In another thread you complain about right-wingers being easily led, while in this thread you parrot their lines. If you think Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro are only concerned with equality then you've also been drinking the Koolaid.Quote:
Originally Posted by holzz
Join the dots, dude. Whose interests do you think are served by this 'wokeism' scare? Which is the real Trojan horse?
Seriously? A perusal of her twitter posts makes it pretty clear she is just a standard conspiracy-minded MAGA zealot who subscribes to just about every current right-wing shibboleth. It also looks like she ignores anything like transphobia that might alienate her fanbase and endanger her role as the acceptable trans for right-wingers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veal Cutlet
the interests that you hate people with different perspectives, and who espouse them. and that as some american dude who was preppy, gets offended deeply by petty shit like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
I'm not a right-winger, not by US standards. and yes, they are easily-led. but i'm sorry i'm breaching the "council" people like you attended as a little boy. most guys like you are the same, all in yourselves. sorry me being here offends you, since you cannot control your own mind and impulses!
I have no idea who the preppy American dude or "council" are, but you are certainly demonstrating your tolerance for other perspectives and control over your mind and impulses.
Same old holzz - incoherent and unable to deal with disagreement. You never change.
I see that holzz actually liked my post, which is a bit confusing.
To be clear, I'm not disputing that there are some people on the left who go to far in taking offence and wanting to suppress viewpoints that are not necessarily bigoted. The problem is that 'woke' has become a meaningless term applied to anything the right doesn't like. The war against woke is a mirror image of what they claim to be against - a pretext to suppress viewpoints they don't like.
If you label anyone who disputes your anti-woke diatribes as supporters of some Neo-Marxist conspiracy then you are doing exactly what you complain about - using labels to dismiss people and avoid dealing with the point they are making.
i wasn't raised in a ghetto like you. i don't get offended who is in whatever space, like you. i don't make up retarded rules in my head like a toddler over who does what, like you. i don't plot to beat people because i don't fit into their pre-defined metrics of "life" and seemingly don't focus on my family/friends, like you. i'm not a man who assumes everybody else must fear me, like you, cos i was raised in a normal environment, not a ghetto.
i haven't said anything wrong. i can see this entire thing triggers you deeply. because you don't like being challenged or ever being "on the bottom" even when it's nothing major in the grand scheme. cos i don't agree with your definition of woke. and? i do't need to. your personality/mindstate hates others who don't agree with you on the most minor of things. and if the "general societal state" is to accept others' views, then accept my views. but because i breached your morals or personal conduct long ago, it's stuck in your brain, and as i said before, it fucks you up. looool. i'm glad i can work you out and fuck you up, probably when I did or said something that was innocuous and vexed you cos of your ego.
So yes. i don't think woke is subjective. i don't think woke is good for society and we've lost a balance that Western society briefly had to accommodate to weak/pussy-bitch woke people.
oh i can handle views, unlike you. i don't generally care what you think. i generally fitler out if it's a virulent view or if it's offensive. yours isn't. but then cool, keep on trying to plot and "keep me down" because i violate your subjective vibes. typical ghetto thinking to "bully" and deny.
because you're smart but don't read engagements well. you haven't proven you're more virtuous or "in the right" here and couldn't in a million years. all ghetto ego. i'm sorry me being alive and posting here and you filling stuff with your internal narrative causes you pain.
I'm glad we're in agreement and i get how to annoy you from your rough inner-city or country American upbringing.
yes, i love people like you who plot. looool. and who say shit without actually believing in it. focus on your family, friends or dating/fucking beautiful trans women.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
i told you, i love how i mentally twist you, cos i did or said something to deeply fuck with you. or why me being here fucks you, when others can be here. cool.
and yes, wokeism is neo-marxist, imho.
Normal egalitarianism is "women can vote", "blacks can vote", "lgbt can get married", or "Muslims can worship freely". it's about giving the same basic rights to all in society.
wokeism is a perversion of this, imho. it's when people push uni safe spaces for retarded reasons, or drag in schools, or excessive political correctness, or black Cleopatras. it's weird and fucked and not what true egalitarianism is or should be.
sorry that my opinion bothers you.
The man writes several paragraphs of incoherent ranting and says the problem is other people are childish, irrational and easily triggered. Love it.
I think I'll leave it with this observation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj60OAh7O5U
i'm not triggered. i told you. i merely stated an opinion. you revel in trying to turn people to your narrative. again, ghetto psychology.
i revel in the fact me merely being here and acting like everybody else triggers you that highly. you can't move on with your life. loooool.
i stand by my points. you and the other guy are too triggered. there is no communication failure. just your inner psychology being challenged, and perhaps some sociopathy to boot.
You're confused again, dude. Fitzcarraldo is the preppy guy and I'm the thug from the ghetto, remember. Plus you just liked another of my posts.
holzz enjoying a long holiday
Since when is overthrowing democracy "thinking for themselves"?Quote:
Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001
Perhaps I have just missed it, but I don't recall ever having heard Blaire White call for the overthrowing of democracy (or anything even close to that), and to claim that is just ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dudedude12345
Not supporting the radical trans agenda is not overthrowing democracy.