Germans who watched porn on Redtube told to pay up

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Originally Posted by SammiValentine

Sorry to butt in but............lol at kimble dotcom !! He is just one of those people who has to cheat in life to get anywhere. He was shit at quake2, 1v1, rocket arena2 when we was "youngsters" on barrysworld servers. So shit he resorted to having an aimbot coded, maybe he coded it himself(?)
must be some brains in that cranium... and here we are.... 16 years later :D What a fucking spud head. GG WP.
Apologies, rant over. Carry on :)

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Sammi, yeah, he's a fucking spud head, but a fucking spud head living in a 15.8 million pounds mansion... :)

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Originally Posted by bluesoul

there is in no way this is going to work. they already tried this with mp3s and only ended up fining a mom and the ocassional kid all concluding with them finally changing their tune
another problem is that they don't understand the infrastructure and landscape of piracy. suing the occasional random joe for plopping into a tubesite is exactly like going for the occasional drug user who buys for a few bags of his favorite narcotic from the popular streetdealer whilst behind the scenes you have an entire cartel making sure the market is well stocked. eventually, drug user 1 is replaced by another newb in the scene asking "where can i get my drugs?"
in fact, in the "fantasized" event they do even shutdown a bunch of tubesites, i only see others (or the same ones) coming back online with a more secure design to protect their user base, you know, exactly like the back online and better secure, mega upload

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Bluesoul, thank you for the very enlightening links...

Sorry for the previous post. I didn't want to butt in a conversation as if it didn't existed. I just checked on what I posted yesterday without looking further, and I reacted immidiately.
I will nonetheless repeat offending. I think this link in particular, posted by Bluesoul, is intriguing and interresting. The illegal download would increase the legal sales!

Study Confirms Illegal Downloads Increase Music Sales
Written by Mike Hohnen on 22nd March, 2013

"The war against piracy has just gotten that much harder for the record label execs – a study undertaken by The European Commission Joint Research Centre has discovered a direct relation between an increase in illegal downloads and an increase in music sales.

The study shows that when illegal download activity rose by 10%, activity also rose on music purchasing sites. Sure, only by 0.2% but it’s still a rise. Then final figures were dram from a sample of 16,000 European residents over a 12-month period.

The language in the report suggests that people will be more inclined to buy the digital copies as they download “suggesting complementarities between these two modes of music consumption”, but our guess is it’s more to do with when you can’t find the right torrent anywhere and you’re forced to buy it.

The report also claims that legal streaming is also playing its part because, according to their results, “a 10% increase in clicks on legal streaming websites led to up to a 0.7% increase in clicks on legal digital purchases websites”.

It’s currently happy days for record sales, which saw their first rise in numbers since 1999, with many thanks to Adele and the tweenwave sensation. But can those awful, screaming tweens and slumbering mums sustain an entire industry? Stay tuned."

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Originally Posted by danthepoetman

Sammi, yeah, he's a fucking spud head, but a fucking spud head living in a 15.8 million pounds mansion... :)

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yea well, spuds get mashed, boiled and roasted. :D

People who happy to make success like that so be it, I have the right to call him a potatoe and to get on with working hard and trying my best not to shit on people from a great height :D

Meh. he sucked at quake2 anyway, I was boss. he can suck my plums. yea both of them, mmmmmmmmmm. :D

No excuse for theft- just faulty justifications.

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Originally Posted by SammiValentine

yea well, spuds get mashed, boiled and roasted. :D
People who happy to make success like that so be it, I have the right to call him a potatoe and to get on with working hard and trying my best not to shit on people from a great height :D
Meh. he sucked at quake2 anyway, I was boss. he can suck my plums. yea both of them, mmmmmmmmmm. :D

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Lovely Sammi, no doubt in my mind you are the boss and the goddess at much more than that!

I found the study cited in Hohnen's article (link below.)

It's not compelling, and the data comes from Nielsen. I have a problem with that because (from my understanding) they track the internet usage of people who agree to have their internet usage tracked. I think the Hawthorne Works studies have been revisited recently, but people who know they are being watched behave differently.

This study found no real sales displacement, but here's something that I think is true: an illegal download of a song leads to a 100% decrease in purchases of that song by that user.

Displaced.

I'll take my grant money now. We'll start a center. Someone think of a prestigious name and I'll write the mission statement.

http://ftp.jrc.es/EURdoc/JRC79605.pdf

America!

I have a dumb question .Is there a way to make a dvd once it has content on it non transferable to a computer? Or make pictures and movies from the official sites non downloadable or ripable? Maybe put a line of code that makes it non downloadable? Just A thought. Also shouldn't they be going after the tube sites and bring them down?To me they seem to be the cause of the problem.

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Originally Posted by Brittany St Jordan

A good portion of the tube sites are owned by a company called Manwin. Manwin was berated for hosting tube sites so instead of taking them down they have also taken over some of the bigger name sites in porn over the past few years. (Use Google) Someone once mentioned the idea it would be pretty sweet if Manwin kept using the tube sites to lure the folks in with the quasi legal content and then one day flipped the switch to make it all PPV. Where only the legal owners of the content would give Manwin permission to host it and get a portion of the income generated from people watching it.

Whether that actually happens or not, who knows? It will be a really sweet victory for content producers and independent models you are always having their work stolen and spread amongst the masses for free.

Nobody has ever read a review about how great the latest Porsche is to drive and then went and stole one to share it with their friends. Test driving is far from stealing so using piracy to sample content before committing to an actual purchase I can agree with. It is the rampant disregard for "The rich fuckers, bitches and sluts who make porn already tons of money" argument people use that is upsetting whenever I hear people use it as an excuse for their thievery.

Tube sites are only a portion of the theft though. Using the same analogy as above, they are the meth dealers in the exploding mobile homes of the internet. Yes, they provide a means for people to get their fix but really have no idea what in the fuck they are doing other than having the ability to say "I run a tube site" to their friends. With the file sharing sites like Mega Upload, it makes it hard to track the dealer or the user so when either is caught it is a good day for porn producers everywhere.

So what happens to the people who are unable to pay $20 for a DVD or for site memberships and insist that they have to download everything because they are unable to afford it? They do what everyone else in the world does when that are unable afford something. They go without it until they can afford it.

There needs to be a technology that can identify the ip address of where the content is being downloaded from and if it is from one not of the copyright owner the file then becomes a virus which destroys their entire hard drive only after sending an email to everyone in their address book a list of all of the video and photo files on their computer. Let this happen and watch piracy drop like a drunk chick on prom night.

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Although I sympathise with much of what you say, I cannot believe that creating a virus to destroy someone's hard drive would be acceptable punishment, or legal or practical -the technology that is devised to do it could be stolen by someone else and used for different reasons to infect computers. In any case, I think the point about this story is not just the loss of income to legitimate producers, it speaks to the embarrassment issue -most men who do it would not admit to paying for sex, but it is cash, it is not recorded on a credit card or debit account bill; people who use tube sites may do so as an alternative to purchasing porn to avoid having to explain to their wife/partner/family this odd item on the bill, and that they like porn of any character. That is an explanation, not an excuse. There are now other ways of purchasing online material anonymously, such as UKASH vouchers -maybe some of the commercial sites that currently do not accept it should do so -anonymity and 'covering one's ass' is the issue for many people.