Not ANOTHER "stand your ground" incident...

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

If someone playing their music too loud in their car is the biggest offense you have to deal with in a day, you live a charmed life.

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you say that like it's a bad thing. should i go around looking for much worse problems so i can easily deal with people playing loud muzik?

i just don't see how loud muzik is a positive thing. and i never thought your statement about "our society is fucked" was melodramatic at all. i honestly thought it was pretty accurate. and i also agree this isn't worth pulling a gun out for, but there are people who will use any excuse to use force.

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Originally Posted by Willie Escalade

There should be an amendment to this law. It should state that if involved in an altercation where an unarmed opponent is killed, the perpetrator cannot claim “Stand your Ground”, and automatically waive all their rights to a jury trial and be sentenced to life imprisonment in the harshest penitentiary in the state of Florida.

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Yeah let's just throw away legal rights for the hell of it!

Let's just say that an 18 year old girl is walking home alone at night when a man grabs her and tries to drag her into a lane with the intention of murdering or raping her. If she shot him, under your point of view, she'd not be entitled to any sort of legal defense because she shot an unarmed man.

What about a single mother who wakes in the middle of the night to find an intruder in her home? Or an elderly person?

Any law can be abused, but that doesn't mean it should be repealed and people should be jailed indefinitely without a trial. It's the USA not Saudi Arabia.

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Originally Posted by bluesoul

it wouldn't have happened either if the kids had turned down the muzik when they were asked. this way, they would still have enjoyed their entertainment, and nobody would have been bothered by any loud noises. what made you see the other option as being better than this one?

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really muzik?

come on, we all have been young, reckless and wild (im still there).a part of that is blasting music and rocking out with your friends.hardly hoodlum behavior.i wonder if the guy would of said anything if they were bumping justin beiber or some other pop shit

I am disgusted by this. I hope he gets a painful death sentence. I've had my disagreements with people. However, I have never once thought about doing this to someone.

From personal experience there was a racist employee at my job. She said to my face that she feared me because of my skin color. She said many other things about blacks being criminals, dangerous, stupid, etc. She said she felt like calling the cops when she sees black people hanging out.

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Originally Posted by bluesoul

it wouldn't have happened either if the kids had turned down the muzik when they were asked. this way, they would still have enjoyed their entertainment, and nobody would have been bothered by any loud noises. what made you see the other option as being better than this one?

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Are you fucking utterly out of your fucking mind? This guy was gonna be in and out of the store and on his way in like 5 minutes...I can see if your neighbor is blasting music at 4 in the morning, but in this situation?

Maybe next time if these kids start shooting right after some old or older kook confronts them for whatever reason, then they can claim "Stand Your Ground" because they felt the old person was going to hurt them. MAYBE after that happens a few times, then these situations would stop and these jerks that supported the flimsy interpretation of this law would force the state to adjust the law. Just a thought!

Violence will eventually beget more violence.

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Originally Posted by bluesoul

i don't think this guy had the right to kill anyone over loud muzik, but why play it so loud in the first place? and why, would you say "fuck off" then flip them "the bird or laugh" when someone asks you to turn it down?

sooner or later, you're bound to cross the wrong person, as this young gentleman obviously did.

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I didn't put over $2,000 into my car's sound system to play MY music at a level someone OUTSIDE of MY PROPERTY who DID NOT contribute to it wants me to play it at. Unless I'm breaking the law, and the proper authorities are telling me its wrong, I'm going to play it at the level I want to.

There's an ordinance like this in the community I live at. When I'm in the property, the music goes off because that's the rule. When I'm in a public place the music is at a level I prefer.

And I sure wish some of these folks would define "loud".

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Originally Posted by bluesoul

it wouldn't have happened either if the kids had turned down the muzik when they were asked. this way, they would still have enjoyed their entertainment, and nobody would have been bothered by any loud noises. what made you see the other option as being better than this one?

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Who gave the man any authority to tell complete strangers what to do? They weren't on his property; apparently they were in a public place. If they weren't breaking any laws and if they were minding their own business, there isn't a problem...except the shooter's ego problem.

I still call bullshit.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Jeezus Christ.
Fucking piece of shit.

I can't count how many times growing up I've been told by some oldhead when I was a passenger in another car to 'turn that goddamn music down!!'

We would say 'fuck off', flip him the bird or laugh and our cars would split never to be seen again.
I assume this is a universal experience of most adult male's teen years.

Since when do you have the right to murder someone because their music is too loud??
I hope this prick dies in prison.

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ROTFLMAO ...... i remember the spring of 86' i was sitting with a friend in his Ford Escort sedan in the DHR/DFACS parking lot at aprox 230 am when a Boom Boxer decided to use the parking lot as a short cut on his nocturnal stroll . He had the volume about 3/4 and i politely but at a voice he could hear to turn the volume down . He thought that meant for him to turn the volume up to full . My friend then told him to turn it down and was given that FU Witey look as he kept strutten thru the lot . My friend decided to drove over to make sure the boom boxer understood what he was supposed to do . He was told to Turn That Shit Off . Before he could give us some unauthorized lip he saw my friend's badge and then mine . I'm sure you know what he did then .

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Originally Posted by bluesoul

i don't think this guy had the right to kill anyone over loud muzik, but why play it so loud in the first place? and why, would you say "fuck off" then flip them "the bird or laugh" when someone asks you to turn it down?
sooner or later, you're bound to cross the wrong person, as this young gentleman obviously did.

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Originally Posted by bluesoul

it wouldn't have happened either if the kids had turned down the muzik when they were asked. this way, they would still have enjoyed their entertainment, and nobody would have been bothered by any loud noises. what made you see the other option as being better than this one?

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This is total nonsense, Bluesoul. I really don’t understand how (and many other people who uses a similar argument) it is that you don’t see the rational consequences of what you’re saying here. Of course you can judge that “morally”, these kids could have or should have lowered the volume of their music. But it doesn’t have anything to do with murder, doesn’t have anything to do whatsoever with some guy shooting at them to kill them, does it? It’s a wish, an ideal, something desirable, not in any way something "necessary". In other words, it doesn’t have a thing to do with this concrete situation in particular. You have to be able to make the difference, here.
By implying that they “should” (in absolute) have lowered the music to avoid the situation, or by implying that “sooner or later” they would inevitably have “crossed the wrong person”, you justify the shooter’s actions at least partly. It’s a matter of very simple logic: if you think they “should” have in the abstract, you justify the crime.
I had the same argument with someone else on another thread. A gay man had revealed his love for another one on a tv show. The latter was so mad that as soon as the show was over, he shot the former. Someone argued with me that the gay guy never should have revealed it the way he did. It’s obvious in such circumstances, that the killer was, at least to a certain extent, justified in his action. My interlocutors couldn't understand what I was saying.
Morality, tact, desirability, do not justify murder in any way, of course.

As to your argument, Willie, I understand your anger and anxiety. We don’t want to see a murderer, someone who killed a kid for no reason except his own prejudices, be sent free on some bullshit. Let’s see how this all plays out. Maybe justice will prevail this time.