Do you guys think we are winning the war?

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Originally Posted by Arianna

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Originally Posted by yourdaddy

Don't forget, we lost 58,000 soldiers during Viet Nam,

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I'm fully aware of that, I can assure you. But I'm also aware of Bush Sr's ties to the Dulles brothers; not to mention what took place on 11/22/63, WHERE that event happened to take place, and the laughable Warren Report. But if we need to go back even further in history, I guess we should take a look at what Prescott Bush was up to before, during, and after WWII. And while the life's blood of the American automotive industry is on the table, let's discuss Henry Ford's politics; and how both the auto and oil industries have made life so convenient for each other.

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The Bush Family Criminal Empire

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Originally Posted by chefmike

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"Liberal" has been hijacked by "Leftists", and the hijacking was abetted by a right-wing-funamentalist fat whacko who, like a blind pig, has occasionally come across an acorn or two of truth in the midst of his rantings.

I really hate it when my first post on a forum is political, it leaves a bad taste and usually pisses people off...

"Liberal" used to mean "In Favour of Liberty" (which is freedom, but used responsibly-ie not hurting or burdening others. Make your own choices, and accept the consequences.)

Today, "Liberal" in the modern American Political Lexicon, means "I'm being so moral and generous with other people's money and restricting your rights because I know better what's good for you than you do". It's the modern Puritanism, with its own irrational and controlling morality-plays.

They're as bad as Fallwellite Republicans in their own, special way, and the attitude that anyone holding an opposing view is either evil, or stupid, well...

forget talking "Tolerance", without compromise, there IS no "Tolerance".

George Bush is a great president for 2 reasons.

The first, Al Gore never became president.

The second, John Kerry never became president.

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Originally Posted by Copenhagen

George Bush is a great president for 2 reasons.

The first, Al Gore never became president.

The second, John Kerry never became president.

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Yes, we should all be thankful for the fraudulent elections that left us with our glorious chimp-in-chief...and god speaks directly to him! Another bonus, indeed!

Let's see...

Al Gore - decorated war veteran

John Kerry - decorated war veteran

shrubya - a chickenhawk who couldn't even hack it in the National Guard

born on third base and thinks he hit a triple

a failure at every business his daddy's cronies ever threw his way...

up to, and including the presidency.

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Originally Posted by Copenhagen

George Bush is a great president for 2 reasons.

The first, Al Gore never became president.

The second, John Kerry never became president.

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At 22, Al Gore went to Vietnam, because he felt that not only the "have-nots" should serve in that terrible war.

At 22, George Bush's daddy got him in the national guard.


At 30, Al Gore was a congressman, G.W. Bush was drunk.

At 35, Al Gore was a U.S. Senator, G.W. Bush was STILL drunk, doing cocaine, and losing his daddy's money.


As someone put it, he couldn't even find oil in Texas.

game - set - match > chefmike


In the end, though, they're all Skull & Bones. Dem or Republican is like shirts and skins. Doesn't matter at all if you're one of us who's not allowed to play.

mike, you are such a transparent idiot. Al Gore served 5 months in Vietnam as an Army journalist. He received the same medal we all got for serving....that's all. George Bush was the successful general manager of the Texas Rangers and took them to first place, before he resigned to run for Governor of Texas. He was the first Governor ever elected to consecutive 4 year terms. His office was noted for exceptional bi-partisanship. By the way, in the Guard he flew fighter jets, a little more complicated than frying eggs, I'd say. Take a deep breath, remove your nose from Allanah's ass, and for once, admit you might be wrong.

You can't even compare being a texas ranger to going to vietnam non-compareable.

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mike, you are such a transparent idiot. Al Gore served 5 months in Vietnam as an Army journalist. He received the same medal we all got for serving....that's all. George Bush was the successful general manager of the Texas Rangers and took them to first place, before he resigned to run for Governor of Texas. He was the first Governor ever elected to consecutive 4 year terms. His office was noted for exceptional bi-partisanship. By the way, in the Guard he flew fighter jets, a little more complicated than frying eggs, I'd say. Take a deep breath, remove your nose from Allanah's ass, and for once, admit you might be wrong.

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Allanah's ass is quite nice, very shapely, and has nothing to do with either the war, or the current inhabitant of the Oval Office.

That said, your point is valid. Gore, like many a ticket-punching officer, got time in and got out early. Same with John Kerry-neither did eighteen months like the real grunts did, and in at least one case, one racked up three Purples without visible long-term effects-other than getting to go home while better men were kept in-theatre, or only allowed to leave early if they had serious injuries with long-term consequences.

Of the three, I don't think I would want to count on any of them as the man next to me in the shit... one man was a bodyguarded journo, another stabbed his subordinates in the back and racked up cosmetic achievements, and the third...well... not much of any accomplishments besides flying one of the more demanding aircraft of the Era.

(Fighters are NOT like airliners)

But we don't hire Presidents to stand in the mud and slug it out with enemy troops in person, we hire them to manage the national government, a decidedly civilian activity.

Johnnie went from Officer to Protestor straight into Government, essentially never having to live in the Private sector or deal with said government from a position of disadvantage.

Al's daddy was a safe-seat Senator, and he virtually inherited the position.

George? failed at one business, ran another one successfully (oddly enough, the successful one had nothing to do with his family's bread-and-butter...), beat a popular and long-serving incumbent to run a state that's notorious in several ways going back a long time, and went from state-level (where you're at a disadvantage) to Federal (where the other two were well-encamped) in a highly contested race that was close enough that the margin of victory would be, in polling terms, smaller than the margin of error.

It is only in a close race, that the Florida-style accusations even approach the level of being worth serious consideration. Gore was coming off a relatively popular presidency as the 'heir apparent'.