Guys: When you're around your "straight" friends & the topic of transsexuals come up?

I'm pretty sure that every time one of those "Guy or girl" shows is run on Maury Povich or a girl tells her unsuspecting boyfriend that she's a guy on Jerry Springer that it spurs a pretty lively discussion of transsexuals in many homes and bars. I've found myself in quite a few over the years. And it largely comes down to just how passable as a woman is the transsexual in question. The more beautiful and feminine she comes across as the easier it is to defend her. Candis Cayne, Caroline Cossey, Mimi Marks, no argument. But if the male-to-female transsexual looks like a guy in dress and clearly not passable as a woman then it's like talking to brick wall. It's unfortunate but that's the way it is. Physical appearance like in all aspects of life is what people notice first. And if you look like Kimber James instead of a linebacker then a transsexual will find the path to tolerance a little more level. But even for her it will never be completely fair. We still have a very long way to go for that.

Fuck those freaks. I wouldn't look twice lol

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Originally Posted by beatlephil

I'm pretty sure that every time one of those "Guy or girl" shows is run on Maury Povich or a girl tells her unsuspecting boyfriend that she's a guy on Jerry Springer that it spurs a pretty lively discussion of transsexuals in many homes and bars. I've found myself in quite a few over the years. And it largely comes down to just how passable as a woman is the transsexual in question. The more beautiful and feminine she comes across as the easier it is to defend her. Candis Cayne, Caroline Cossey, Mimi Marks, no argument. But if the male-to-female transsexual looks like a guy in dress and clearly not passable as a woman then it's like talking to brick wall. It's unfortunate but that's the way it is. Physical appearance like in all aspects of life is what people notice first. And if you look like Kimber James instead of a linebacker then a transsexual will find the path to tolerance a little more level. But even for her it will never be completely fair. We still have a very long way to go for that.

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Seconded.

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Originally Posted by beatlephil

I'm pretty sure that every time one of those "Guy or girl" shows is run on Maury Povich or a girl tells her unsuspecting boyfriend that she's a guy on Jerry Springer that it spurs a pretty lively discussion of transsexuals in many homes and bars. I've found myself in quite a few over the years. And it largely comes down to just how passable as a woman is the transsexual in question. The more beautiful and feminine she comes across as the easier it is to defend her. Candis Cayne, Caroline Cossey, Mimi Marks, no argument. But if the male-to-female transsexual looks like a guy in dress and clearly not passable as a woman then it's like talking to brick wall. It's unfortunate but that's the way it is. Physical appearance like in all aspects of life is what people notice first. And if you look like Kimber James instead of a linebacker then a transsexual will find the path to tolerance a little more level. But even for her it will never be completely fair. We still have a very long way to go for that.

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Part of the reason those shows are so evil is precisely because what you say is so true: all they do is reinforce the stereotype that it's up to transwomen to 'pass' instead of telling society to smarten the hell up! And then, even the most beautiful, passable TS on the show (the one that the audience thinks is a 'woman') is still inevitably called a 'man' when it's revealed she was born male.

I still think those shows are so wrong on so many levels. :geek:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Part of the reason those shows are so evil is precisely because what you say is so true: all they do is reinforce the stereotype that it's up to transwomen to 'pass' instead of telling society to smarten the hell up! And then, even the most beautiful, passable TS on the show (the one that the audience thinks is a 'woman') is still inevitably called a 'man' when it's revealed she was born male.

I still think those shows are so wrong on so many levels. :geek:

~BB~

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While I agree, you can lead a pack of horses to a lake, but you can't make 90% of them drink. It's not that society has this affliction for disliking or being uncomfortable with the idea of transsexualism. It's the same reaction whether a brother is fucking his mother and sister on Maury or some chick is polling four different men for paternity test results and child support on Jerry Springer. You're only speaking to a small fraction of the confusion, bias, hate, and distrust shows bring to anything that can draw shock value from an audience.

Before talk shows, it was freak shows. Before freak shows, they beat "different" people to death or ran them out of villages. While we might all be able to mute public disregard for transsexualism, it'll simply be juxtaposed to some other related subject like gay rights. Wouldn't that be lovely?

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Part of the reason those shows are so evil is precisely because what you say is so true: all they do is reinforce the stereotype that it's up to transwomen to 'pass' instead of telling society to smarten the hell up! And then, even the most beautiful, passable TS on the show (the one that the audience thinks is a 'woman') is still inevitably called a 'man' when it's revealed she was born male.

I still think those shows are so wrong on so many levels. :geek:

~BB~

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They are wrong on every level. It boggles my mind why someone who is a transsexual would do all the work to become a woman and then allow herself to be disrespected for a free trip to Chicago or NYC?

The Jerry springer show contacted me once and had the nerve to offer me round trip airfare, hotel, 250 bucks and all the cigarettes I could smoke. I was so offended! I wrote them a scathing letter black declining their offer and never heard from them again.

If you want to be respected as a woman, why would you go on television and allw people to distinguish you as a man? Makes no sense to me.

I have found a good way to covertly litmus test people. Email them a non-nude picture of a beautiful and tasteful picture of a shemale. Come across as you stumbled upon it while surfing the web and ask them "Can you believe this is a guy?"

Check out their response. I've gotten surprisingly curious responses from people that I suspected would immediately reply with "Yuck".

i am the straightest person out of all my mates :) so i dont have an issue with this :)

I'm even more surprised by the 'bio' girls who go on Maury to get told they look like a man