Tranny beatdown at the "Straight Club" last night

I wasn’t there to see what happened, and I know I’m going to catch shit for saying this, but I am of the opinion that you should have attempted to do something. Standing by and watching someone so outnumbered take a beating makes you an enabler to the sort of cowardice displayed that night, both by the 6 attackers and by the onlookers. Had you stepped forward, others might have joined you. Even if they didn’t, which is probable, your involvement might have taken away from the degree of suffering endured by the targeted woman.

-Quinn

Response time kills the authority idea...A good beatdown happens in less then a minute, two at tops.

Nothing you could have done Shay, except get yourself trashed. You did the right thing in not interfering.


Carrying a weapon without knowing exactly how, and a will, to use it is the DUMBEST thing anyone can ever do..

One, you dont know any of the laws and how the interact about carrying or self-defence.

Two, its incredibly ineffectual.

Three, even though ive studied knife fighting for 20 years I STILL would NEVER want to fight someone with knives.....If they pull a knife or worse, escalate the confrontation, your BOTH getting fucked up....Trust me this isnt the situation you want to be in.

Four, even brandishing a knife can land you jail time...You need a licence to conceal any kind of weapon and some states you cant conceal at all. Even though I have both a concealed carry permit, and an automatic weapons licence, I still have never brandished a weapon in public, unless I used it immediatly thereafter. Act 227 saved my ass twice, and I was still investigated.

Avoidance and placation will always be the best weapons you could ever use....If you dont think thats enough, invest in some real training and do yourself a favor by being able to keep yourself alive if the shit really does hit the fan:)

Hell, I wouldnt even take on 6 dudes that have been drinking. Someone gets killed in that scenario and its all a bad ending.

Im sorry Arianna but i cant agree with you about the one part of your comment; in a perfect world we could all go around dressed however we want to wherever we want and act however we want when we get there......But in the really real world, putting yourself in jeopardy by going to a straight club where drunk stupid men are going to be is a very bad, bad idea if your 6'5" in heels and a wig and cant pass even in dim lighting..

People sometimes bring stuff down on there heads that could have been avoided with a little forethought. Hard lesson to learn, but I doubt that guy will go dressed again without thinking it through a bit. When you wish to lead a certain lifestyle, it does indeed require you to taylor your life a bit. Its not fair no, but it is what it is.

"I dont carry my blade to fight off people I actually use it to protect myslef from other girls and crazy people"


This is a contradiction.

If you slice someone with that toy, youd better be prepared to kill them, cause thats certainly whats going to be going through there mind if there enraged or really crazy.

If was in a scuffle and someone pulled a razor knife on me and sliced me with it, well guess what ladies and gentleman, weve just escalated the encounter to deadly force....and it gets real ugly after that.

Any girl or guy with 2 weeks of basic H2H is gonna take that little razor away from you, or never give you a chance to use it in the first place....your asking for nothing but trouble carrying it.

Pepper spray would serve you alot better if your unskilled and little.

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Originally Posted by Shalaya

...If six boys were to jump on me I would need something

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A couple girls in here would scream.....................











for a video camera.

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Originally Posted by Arianna

But, ultimately, I can't see leading people on like that. Chances are, it'll only backfire to some degree.

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I agree. I also think there are lots of girls who think they are "unclockable", but..

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Originally Posted by JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel

This might sound a bit harsh and possibly a bit brutal but keep in mind I'm saying it as a reality check............... Shayala you're PASSABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean really passable, and you know this!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course you didn't step in, you have the body of a girl, you have the face of a developing young woman, you get some implants and it's a wrap, very few will know........ What the fuck were you gonna do even if it was 2 guys??? Nothing.......... I'm sorry the man in revlon and a dress and heels got his ass whooped but he KNEW what might happened when his ass went. The real blame goes to no one but the BOUNCERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Security let him in and basically allowed that beatdown to happen. You did what SEVERAL other passable dames here in NY would do which is MIND YOUR BUSINESS!!!!!!!

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I find it interesting that everyone has been blamed EXCEPT the guys doing the beating. The real blame goes to no one but the ATTACKERS!!!!!!!!

Yes, the bouncers might have watched the situation more carefully. Yes, the girl that was beaten might have used better judgement in going there. But when all is said and done, it is the attackers alone that deserve the blame, not to mention a special place to burn in hell.

Shalaya, I don't blame you for not jumping in. I don't think any girl could do much against 6 guys except get your own ass kicked and maybe even killed. Sometimes when something like that happens, you are so shocked to witness it, that you are stunned into immobility.

With hindsight being 20/20, I would think the best you could have done was to call 911, run back around the corner and tell the bouncers, yell for help in the club or do all three things. Even then, there is no telling what might have happened. Maybe no one would have done anything anyway.

But please, everyone else... don't blame the victim. I don't care if she looked like a football player in a wig, no one deserves to be beaten for how they dress. Don't blame Shalaya. It's hard to know what any of us would do in that horrible situation. Don't lay all the blame on the bouncers, they didn't do the beating.

Lay blame only on the people that it belongs.... the attackers.

I was wondering how many pages of posts would go by before someone blamed anyone BUT the victim. My count is five. HBO made a movie about a similar subject. Are you all saying that young man deserved to be attacked for going into a "straight" bar? Unwritten rules are not fair. Sure, I know most of the clubs in my town that are "gay/tg friendly", but only by word of mouth, and I wouldn't bet on it for sure. Yes, if she/he was trying to deceive someone, it was a dangerous game to play, but there is no excuse other than a Karate tournament/boxing match or millitary assignment that justifies attacking another person. Even the police have strict rules now. I also agree that doing anything other than getting professional bouncers or the police would have been the wrong move.

Now for the "why".

Why are men (I admit I certainly am one) so afraid of homosexuals or bi-sexuals?
Here's my track record:
1-Car stereo stolen in high-school. Culprit: Straight redneck.
2-Beaten up in my front yard when I was 12 by much older kid. Culprit: Straight redneck.
3-Pushed around high-school hallway for trying to stick up for pudgy friend with a big mouth that got himself in trouble. Culprit: Straight redneck.
See a pattern? The gay friends I've had in my life have been the least likely to make fun of me in public, damage my property, STEAL GIRLFRIENDS FROM ME, etc. What are we afraid of? Why would anyone have to go to physical violence even when not threatened?

This means no disrespect-

But if you are at a place were you need to carry a box cutter for defense- or patrons are attacking others- it does not seem like a very safe, or friendly environment.

Furthermore, dangerous- if you had a box cutter on you- god knows what else someone else could be carrying.


Regardless, it seems like a hate crime and hopefully will be prosecuted as such.

How disgusting and ignorant to say that someone deserves a beating because he or she isnt as possible as the next tranny.

PURE IGNORANCE................

I dont care if she wasnt passable or not she didnt deserve to be beat up because of poor judgement. This is why society is fucked up when we allow a bunch of close minded fools dictate where someone should go whether they are passable or not.

Poor judgement doesnt give ANYONE the escuse to be brutally attacked.