Israel admits to organ thefts

Praetor, just because you say it's real, and Al Jazeera says it's real, does not mean it is real. If Al Jazeera told you that Israel is holding Santa and the Easter Bunny hostage would you believe it? Dumb ass!

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

This may be a bit off topic-
but it seems that some people believe that when one criticizes the policies of the goverment of Israel one is anti semetic, which is false.

Ciriticing the actions of a goverment does not make one a hater of a race or religion, or people of a state or country.

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People that criticize the state of Israel are NOT anti semitic.....but when they do it continuously...always focusing on real or imaginary "horrors' perpetrated by that country..all the while ignoring countless similar or greater atrocities committed by countless other countries around them (such as the U.N. does constantly)...then Yes...THAT is anti semitism.

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

This may be a bit off topic-
but it seems that some people believe that when one criticizes the policies of the goverment of Israel one is anti semetic, which is false.

Ciriticing the actions of a goverment does not make one a hater of a race or religion, or people of a state or country.

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People that criticize the state of Israel are NOT anti semitic.....but when they do it continuously...always focusing on real or imaginary "horrors' perpetrated by that country..all the while ignoring countless similar or greater atrocities committed by countless other countries around them (such as the U.N. does constantly)...then Yes...THAT is anti semitism.

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Ok, so you just said that criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic but doing so continuously is? And I am unclear about the part of focusing on 'real horrors'? Why should that not be uncovered if true?

I am sorry but I don't see the logic in that unless you would be advocating the destruction of Israel.

As well, people follow, believe, adhere to conspiracy theories everywhere, not just Israel. This report may well be a conspiracy theory (or not) but there are a million of those everywhere.

Are you also claiming that the UN is anti Semitic?

What really boggles my mind is that when the UN wants to investigate possible war crimes committed in Gaza, an inquiry being led by a Jewish man and that Hamas has not objected to and agreed to, Israel objects and calls it 'bias'.

I think FAR too many people subscribe again to this idea-including the state of Israel- that being critical of Israel policy is being anti Semitic and that is RUBBISH. I am an American citizen and I criticize government policy all the time- in no way does that make anti American or a hater of Americans. I love this country but at times I do disagree with government policy.

What do you define as continuous? If I criticize the continued settlements and Israel's reluctance to cooperate with the UN war crimes investigation, am I an anti Semite?

And believe you me, I am far from one. I lived with an Israeli for almost 18 months and have had my fare share of Jewish and Israeli men in my life.

Great points, Allanah Starr.

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Originally Posted by zukkobaby

Praetor, just because you say it's real, and Al Jazeera says it's real, does not mean it is real. If Al Jazeera told you that Israel is holding Santa and the Easter Bunny hostage would you believe it? Dumb ass!

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May be i'll believe, LOL, but CNN reported the same issue as posted above.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/...israel.organs/

Jerusalem (CNN) -- Israel harvested organs from bodies in the 1990s without permission of family members, the former head of a state-run forensic laboratory said in a newly released interview.
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All press lie?

http://www.roguegovernment.com/Israe...12/12/Y/M.html

http://www.daylife.com/article/01pOfLFazF8nh

http://www.sphere.com/world/article/...indl1link5http

http://palestinefreevoice.blogspot.c...and-theft.html

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=31&sid=1845558

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/worl...y/1391527.html

http://www.startribune.com/world/797...tml?page=1&c=y

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ut-permission/

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Originally Posted by zukkobaby

Praetor, just because you say it's real, and Al Jazeera says it's real, does not mean it is real. If Al Jazeera told you that Israel is holding Santa and the Easter Bunny hostage would you believe it? Dumb ass!

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May be i'll believe, LOL, but CNN reported the same issue as posted above.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/...israel.organs/

Jerusalem (CNN) -- Israel harvested organs from bodies in the 1990s without permission of family members, the former head of a state-run forensic laboratory said in a newly released interview.
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And note how the Israeli finance minister called the Swedish 'anti semitic'.

That just sickens me because I feel Israeli officials play that card all the time. 'Oh we stole body parts, but if you don't like that we did so, your an anti semite'.

Makes NO SENSE.

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

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Originally Posted by fred41

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

This may be a bit off topic-
but it seems that some people believe that when one criticizes the policies of the goverment of Israel one is anti semetic, which is false.

Ciriticing the actions of a goverment does not make one a hater of a race or religion, or people of a state or country.

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People that criticize the state of Israel are NOT anti semitic.....but when they do it continuously...always focusing on real or imaginary "horrors' perpetrated by that country..all the while ignoring countless similar or greater atrocities committed by countless other countries around them (such as the U.N. does constantly)...then Yes...THAT is anti semitism.

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Ok, so you just said that criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic but doing so continuously is? And I am unclear about the part of focusing on 'real horrors'? Why should that not be uncovered if true?

I am sorry but I don't see the logic in that unless you would be advocating the destruction of Israel.

As well, people follow, believe, adhere to conspiracy theories everywhere, not just Israel. This report may well be a conspiracy theory (or not) but there are a million of those everywhere.

Are you also claiming that the UN is anti Semitic?

What really boggles my mind is that when the UN wants to investigate possible war crimes committed in Gaza, an inquiry being led by a Jewish man and that Hamas has not objected to and agreed to, Israel objects and calls it 'bias'.

I think FAR too many people subscribe again to this idea-including the state of Israel- that being critical of Israel policy is being anti Semitic and that is RUBBISH. I am an American citizen and I criticize government policy all the time- in no way does that make anti American or a hater of Americans. I love this country but at times I do disagree with government policy.

What do you define as continuous? If I criticize the continued settlements and Israel's reluctance to cooperate with the UN war crimes investigation, am I an anti Semite?

And believe you me, I am far from one. I lived with an Israeli for almost 18 months and have had my fare share of Jewish and Israeli men in my life.

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If you reread my sentence you will see that I didn't say any of that. I'm not criticizing this thread, Preator or you. I said that it is fine to criticize Israel...but the UN human rights type commissions "of the day" ONLY criticize Israel. they do that while they have monsters like R. Mugabe sitting there...or those bastards from Darfur..or pick a dictator of the month..any dictator...and they wont say peep about it.

...but Israel is full of devils..if it wasn't for them ..there'd be no problems in the middle east...bullshit.

I never even remotely accused you of anti semitism..but you immediately choose to defend yourself by telling me about your Jewish friends. I don't care...I'm not Jewish.

...but yes...the majority of the U.N IS anti-semitic.

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Originally Posted by fred41

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

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Originally Posted by fred41

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

This may be a bit off topic-
but it seems that some people believe that when one criticizes the policies of the goverment of Israel one is anti semetic, which is false.

Ciriticing the actions of a goverment does not make one a hater of a race or religion, or people of a state or country.

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People that criticize the state of Israel are NOT anti semitic.....but when they do it continuously...always focusing on real or imaginary "horrors' perpetrated by that country..all the while ignoring countless similar or greater atrocities committed by countless other countries around them (such as the U.N. does constantly)...then Yes...THAT is anti semitism.

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Ok, so you just said that criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic but doing so continuously is? And I am unclear about the part of focusing on 'real horrors'? Why should that not be uncovered if true?

I am sorry but I don't see the logic in that unless you would be advocating the destruction of Israel.

As well, people follow, believe, adhere to conspiracy theories everywhere, not just Israel. This report may well be a conspiracy theory (or not) but there are a million of those everywhere.

Are you also claiming that the UN is anti Semitic?

What really boggles my mind is that when the UN wants to investigate possible war crimes committed in Gaza, an inquiry being led by a Jewish man and that Hamas has not objected to and agreed to, Israel objects and calls it 'bias'.

I think FAR too many people subscribe again to this idea-including the state of Israel- that being critical of Israel policy is being anti Semitic and that is RUBBISH. I am an American citizen and I criticize government policy all the time- in no way does that make anti American or a hater of Americans. I love this country but at times I do disagree with government policy.

What do you define as continuous? If I criticize the continued settlements and Israel's reluctance to cooperate with the UN war crimes investigation, am I an anti Semite?

And believe you me, I am far from one. I lived with an Israeli for almost 18 months and have had my fare share of Jewish and Israeli men in my life.

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If you reread my sentence you will see that I didn't say any of that. I'm not criticizing this thread, Preator or you. I said that it is fine to criticize Israel...but the UN human rights type commissions "of the day" ONLY criticize Israel. they do that while they have monsters like R. Mugabe sitting there...or those bastards from Darfur..or pick a dictator of the month..any dictator...and they wont say peep about it.

...but Israel is full of devils..if it wasn't for them ..there'd be no problems in the middle east...bullshit.

I never even remotely accused you of anti semitism..but you immediately choose to defend yourself by telling me about your Jewish friends. I don't care...I'm not Jewish.

...but yes...the majority of the U.N IS anti-semitic.

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Darling, there is no get upset nor critical.
It's a discussion and I was aking your points that is ALL.

Pointing out my ex-boyfriend being from Israel, was just to prove a point that I am not anti semitic.

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

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Originally Posted by fred41

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

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Originally Posted by fred41

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

This may be a bit off topic-
but it seems that some people believe that when one criticizes the policies of the goverment of Israel one is anti semetic, which is false.

Ciriticing the actions of a goverment does not make one a hater of a race or religion, or people of a state or country.

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People that criticize the state of Israel are NOT anti semitic.....but when they do it continuously...always focusing on real or imaginary "horrors' perpetrated by that country..all the while ignoring countless similar or greater atrocities committed by countless other countries around them (such as the U.N. does constantly)...then Yes...THAT is anti semitism.

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Ok, so you just said that criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic but doing so continuously is? And I am unclear about the part of focusing on 'real horrors'? Why should that not be uncovered if true?

I am sorry but I don't see the logic in that unless you would be advocating the destruction of Israel.

As well, people follow, believe, adhere to conspiracy theories everywhere, not just Israel. This report may well be a conspiracy theory (or not) but there are a million of those everywhere.

Are you also claiming that the UN is anti Semitic?

What really boggles my mind is that when the UN wants to investigate possible war crimes committed in Gaza, an inquiry being led by a Jewish man and that Hamas has not objected to and agreed to, Israel objects and calls it 'bias'.

I think FAR too many people subscribe again to this idea-including the state of Israel- that being critical of Israel policy is being anti Semitic and that is RUBBISH. I am an American citizen and I criticize government policy all the time- in no way does that make anti American or a hater of Americans. I love this country but at times I do disagree with government policy.

What do you define as continuous? If I criticize the continued settlements and Israel's reluctance to cooperate with the UN war crimes investigation, am I an anti Semite?

And believe you me, I am far from one. I lived with an Israeli for almost 18 months and have had my fare share of Jewish and Israeli men in my life.

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If you reread my sentence you will see that I didn't say any of that. I'm not criticizing this thread, Preator or you. I said that it is fine to criticize Israel...but the UN human rights type commissions "of the day" ONLY criticize Israel. they do that while they have monsters like R. Mugabe sitting there...or those bastards from Darfur..or pick a dictator of the month..any dictator...and they wont say peep about it.

...but Israel is full of devils..if it wasn't for them ..there'd be no problems in the middle east...bullshit.

I never even remotely accused you of anti semitism..but you immediately choose to defend yourself by telling me about your Jewish friends. I don't care...I'm not Jewish.

...but yes...the majority of the U.N IS anti-semitic.

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Darling, there is no get upset nor critical.
It's a discussion and I was aking your points that is ALL.

Pointing out my ex-boyfriend being from Israel, was just to prove a point that I am not anti semitic.

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I really apologize if I came across that way..had a long day...probably feel better after going to Christmas party tonight. Merry Christmas to you Allanah.