I think we need to stop fighting all these wars that have very little to do with us and get this healthcare shit takin care of. I'm not sold on Obama's plan but I know how health care works and insurance isn't cheap at all.
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I think we need to stop fighting all these wars that have very little to do with us and get this healthcare shit takin care of. I'm not sold on Obama's plan but I know how health care works and insurance isn't cheap at all.
I'd like to see a War Tax Bill put into place. When ever there is a war, the bill would require that a tax should be levied to pay for it. The cost of the nation's health care doesn't hold a candle to the expense of the last six years of war.
IŽll re-formulate your post:Quote:
Originally Posted by hereorthere
As an American citizen with a proper life and job I refuse to let my too-high-taxes go to pay for the wars led by losers who exploit the poor because of corrupt lifestyles - and more.
Pay for the wars you cause yourself. DonŽt take my taxes for that.
If the health insurance industry wasn't such a mess, universal health care would be a political impossibility. You know why people want universal health care?Quote:
Originally Posted by hereorthere
Because they're sick and tired of all the bullshit they've had to deal with, with the private insurance companies. No one would want government health care if the insurance companies were so much as half way better then they are currently. When you have, people being denied policies- because they're female (which is NOT a pre-existing condition), when you have people with chronic diseases like asthma loosing health care coverage for those conditions for life after getting a lapse in coverage (i.e. being laid of) making it "pre-existing," when you have employer-insurance options that suck* so bad you might as well be uninsured, when privately bought policies fail to cover anything in practice and only exist on paper- that pisses people the fuck off.
If the insurance industry would fix these problems themselves, I would bet everything I own- everything- that most Americans would be completely against the idea of government health care, especially after the feds showed they are willing to play morality enforcers and decide for Americans what procedures they should have access to (i.e. reproductive rights). No one wants DC deciding what treatment options they can have access to, no one sane anyway. That's for patients to decide with their doctors.
Where is all the republican outrage over insurance companies' unethical practices? Because that IS the bigger evil here, and it's the reason why we're even having this talk about universal health care.
Have you ever had a privately purchased policy from a company like UnitedHealth? Do you know how hard it is to get them to pay for anything at all, even the most basic of prescriptions? Hard working people all over this country who are not "diseased welfare exploiters" have these policies and know how bad they are when it comes to actually using their benefits. This goes back to extortion 101 here, if you give someone you're extorting too much trouble, they'll find someone new to protect them, even if the replacement isn't particularly better.
* As a "for instance," many blue collar jobs that offer health care policies do not make it affordable for workers to buy insurance for their entire families through their employer. A friend of mine has a nice factory job, we're not talking a janitorial position here, a college degree, and over a decade of experience. This person can afford health insurance through their employer for themself, but as soon as they try to put their spouse on the policy they end up losing half of their take home pay, because it's so much more expensive for each person listed on the policy.
War tax? We have about a dozen of those on the books, left over from the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, WW1, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Taxes never "disappear" after full filling their original revenue generating purpose. The phone tax levied to pay for the Spanish-American War has more than paid for it, but I wouldn't hold you breath on it being stricken from the books in our lifetimes.
...and we had a great communications infrastructure that served rural American as well as urban. Time to pay for the modern wars.
I dunno, who?Quote:
Originally Posted by dooskont
Whomever it is, they must be very altruistic! :roll:
I believe the answer is Supergirl, isn't it.
Like the insurance industry would fix itself LOL. Insurance is a scam, always has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahG
Health insurance is no more a scam than any other type of insurance... and it suffers all the same pitfalls of the other ones as well.
If you want reform, allow me to shop across state lines for a better plan. We don't need competition against the government, if you actually allowed them to compete against each other costs would go down.
Lieberman's against any public plan, including an expansion of an already chronically underfunded Medicare.
Give me something that works, with out costing me anymore out of pocket than I already pay. That was the hopenchange I thought I was getting.