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Ass - they're not judging her, they're judging the situation she got into and from what I've read, some of the girls have indicated that they have done similar silly things.
Why has everything got to be an argument with you?
You only see in black and white?
Nobody is judging the individual - but by having some discourse on this instead of idiotic writings like "hope they burn for what they done!" and trying to understand why it could have happened, it might prevent it happenning again.
seanchai
i hate hearing about shit like this
I agree with your take on it Ecstatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecstatic
Are you people out to lunch? She got fucking killed not have her house egged.
Next time I go to mcdonalds and buy a hamburger and they give me a cheeseburger I'm going to go back in and do some damage(maybe rape and murder?) because they tried to trick me. Because I didn't know there was cheese in it until I bit into it. When my teeth sunk into to that yellow goo I went bezerk OMGHI2Uitsfuckingch33se! I know that would be ok with some of you as they tricked me and they are "partly responsible" because they gave me a cheese burger when I was expecting a hamburger.
Or I could say "Holy shit thats fucking cheese! I hate cheese you mother fuckers it's fucking disgusting I hope you rot in hell and I never see your burgers again!"
i'm sure at that age a girl does not completely understand the consequences of her actions.
i imagine its quite intoxicating to get the attention that seemed to recieve from these guys as a girl in transition. heck its intoxicating for almost anyone at such a young age(or any age) to be liked.
i hardly think that this was some devious plan on her part. i imagine she just got too wrapped up in it and it had horrible results.
NYCe, that was an interesting bit about the powerpoint presentation of the risks and dangers TS can expose themselves to. Thanks for posting that.
Some men are barely half a foot out of the cave, know what I mean? I know a girl who was brutally beaten by a 6'5" brute within an inch of her life. She thought she was going to die. No, she hadn't "tricked" him, and she doesn't know what set him off, but he just lashed out like an ape. Some guys are just neanderthals.
it's horrible that she was murdered-
but she put herself in a very bad situation.
i think tellling a man that you are not a transsexual-especially pre-can out you in a great deal of danger. if you think about how most men simply react when they figure out they like ts ladies, whith all the questions they ask themselve and issues that arise, some people can become very violent if they are homophobic or can't deal with it, if they have been lied to,
it is no excuse for her death- but certainly she made a very bad choice
i know many girls who have done this as well and have been beat up and attacked when the guys find out.
its different if you are post op perharps- but i think when u have a penis
u are running a really great danger
Ok... my two cents.
First of all a lie of omission is still a lie. Should she have lied to these three boys (remember one was granted a mistrail due to hung jury)? NO she should not have. For that lie she deserved a good talking to.
ANYTHING that involves violence is INEXCUSEABLE (except defense of self or another person). NO MATTER WHAT lies were told or who feels "fooled" ther is no excuse to do bodily harm or murder.
I am glad to see that the DA was willing to go ahead with a second trial and glad to see that at least the jury could see past there own likely bigotries to convict two of the three.
Anyone who blames the victim falls into the WORST category of modern humanity. Blame the victim is the easiest way to get any defendant clear of charges. It is an attitude that sickens me.
Finally someone with ccommon sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott098
Yes but it's like you don't live on this earth or something. You are doing a fantastic job of stating the obvious. Our world is not a perfect place. This is not Eden, and bad things do happen to people.
The facts are nobody should get beaten for their gender identity. Nobody should get killed for it. However, not everyone looks at a TS as a woman like people here. Nobody thinks what happened should have been the end result. However, the end result in that situation even on it's best day wouldn't be three young testosterone filled guys laughing and saying, "hahaha -he- sure fooled us".
There is cause and effect in this world and there isn't a defining line between cause and effect. If a man's wife cheats on him, in some countries she gets the death penalty. By our standards this is wrong. However, if a man's wife cheats on him and he kills her, while the punishment doesn't fit the crime, there are some who could justify the blind rage that he felt which lead him to commit such a violent act. Cause and effect. Denying it exists doesn't fix the problem or the nature of human beings. Also at what point is your argument ever valid. If someone rapes your mother and you kill him, are you the victim or is he? Societies standards might dictate that the punishment fit the crime or not. What is the crime or punishment for "tricking" a guy into giving up his sexual identity?
What is being said here is that there is a lesson here for TS to not engage in sexual activity with men who don't know about their gender. It is up to each of us to heed that warning or to ignore it. It's clearly not safe and the tragedies of such have played out again and again. Gwen is a tragedy that shouldn't have happened. But there is always cause/effect action/reaction. God bless her.
I think many of us (TS) get so intwined or wrapped up in our femininity that it becomes incomprehensible to us that the cock makes a difference at all. It's a bit of a reality check when stuff like this happens.