Wow Zoe, right on!
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Wow Zoe, right on!
It seems that the only trickery that's going on is voter fraud on a massive scale. We're seeing dead people registered, people voting dozens of times, 7 year old kids registered to vote for Obama, and all kinds of fraud brought to you by ACORN. And we do know Obama's intimate connection with ACORN.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/a...10/139365.html
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77813
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10122008...ote_133207.htm
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7203
LOL. A handful of idiots working for ACORN who may have falsified registrations to get their quota hardly qualifies as 'voter fraud on a massive scale', although Fox noise would have us believe so. Guess what? That 7 year old won't be showing up to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
If you want to see election fraud on a truly massive scale, look to the Republican Party. Check out Katherine Harris and ChoicePoint Inc in Florida 2000, who purged tens of thousands of 'felons' from the rolls when in fact, their only crime was voting while black. Google Ohio 2004 election fraud, or vote caging in '00 and '04 or the current purging of voters who have recently lost their home to foreclosures. There's an awful lot of info out there on various election dirty tricks if you're willing to look.
ACORN needs to get a handle on their people, but their misdeeds are tiny compared to what's been done by the other side.
A handful of idiots?
No, ACORN voter fraud is under investigation in nearly a dozen states.
"It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes"
here's the key. This is fraud against ACORN. They end up paying people for registering more people then they actually signed up. If you register me three times to vote, the registrar will see two new registrations of an already registered person and the ones won't count. If I successfully register Mickey Mouse to vote, on election day, Mickey Mouse will still be a cartoon character who cannot go to the local voting station and vote. Logically speaking there's very little way a few phony names on the voting rolls could be used to commit actual vote fraud. And much more importantly, numerous studies and investigations have shown no evidence of anything more than a handful of isolated cases of actual instances of vote fraud.
To expand on this point let me quote from Richard Hasen, one of the most experienced and concise commentators on this question, from a June 2007 column in the Dallas Morning News ...
At least in hindsight, the center's line of argument is easily deconstructed. First, arguing by anecdote is dangerous business. A new report by Lorraine Minnite of Barnard College looks at these anecdotes and shows them to be, for the most part, wholly spurious. Sure, one can find a rare case of someone voting in two jurisdictions, but nothing extensive or systematic has been unearthed or documented.
But perhaps most importantly, the idea of massive polling-place fraud (through the use of inflated voter rolls) is inherently incredible. Suppose I want to swing the Missouri election for my preferred presidential candidate. I would have to figure out who the fake, dead or missing people on the registration rolls are, then pay a lot of other individuals to go to the polling place and claim to be that person, without any return guarantee - thanks to the secret ballot - that any of them will cast a vote for my preferred candidate.
Those who do show up at the polls run the risk of being detected and charged with a felony. And for what - $10? Polling-place fraud, in short, makes no sense.
The Justice Department devoted unprecedented resources to ferreting out fraud over five years and appears to have found not a single prosecutable case across the country. Of the many experts consulted, the only dissenter from that position was a representative of the now-evaporated American Center for Voting Rights.
Again, there have been numerous investigations of this. Often by people with at least a mild political interest in finding wrongdoing. But they never find it. It always ends up being right-wing hype and lies. Remember, most of those now-famous fired US Attorneys from 2007 were Republican appointees who were canned after they got tasked with investigating allegations of widespread vote fraud, did everything they could to find it, but came up with nothing. That was the wrong answer so Karl Rove and his crew at the Justice Department fired them.
Vote registration fraud is a limited and relatively minor problem in the US today. But it is principally an administrative and efficiency issue. It is has little or nothing to do with people casting illegitimate votes to affect an actual election. That's the key. What you're hearing right now from Fox News, the New York Post, John Fund and the rest of the right-wing bamboozlement chorus is a just another effort to exploit, confuse and lie in an effort to put more severe restrictions on legitimate voting and lay the groundwork to steal elections.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223436.php
Independent
Hey Cuc...
You're out of touch. Many of the new regs allow people to register and vote absentee the same day.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10062008...aos_132278.htm
These frauds don't have to show up at the polling place at all.
There's a good reason why ACORN is working so hard to deliver bogus registrations.
Here's a good video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4
That's not the way it works. I've looked at numerous state/county election websites. If I've missed something, I'm sure you'll point it out. 'Same day registration'/'One stop absentee voting' is done in person. You show up, present w/ever ID that state requires, get registered and then vote. It's really just early voting, but can be done on the same day you register. If you want a traditional absentee ballot, you have to request it by filling out a form. The ballot is then mailed to you. Absentee ballots require additional ID info - exactly what info depends on the state requirements. You can't register, have an absentee ballot sent to you and mail it in all on the same day, obviously. I'm sure some places allow you to pick up an absentee ballot in person, but you still have to provide a reason for needing it. If you just registered that day, why would you need to vote absentee?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
Bottomline, the NYP article you cited is horseshit, which is what I'd expect from any rag owned by Rupert Murdoch.