Global Warming Poll

it all becomes much clearer now......it's the old 'if a tree falls in a forest and there is no one there etc. etc' routine.
the other thousand or so times the Earth's temperature spiked higher was different because this time there are lots of hysterical tree-huggers and liberal press monkeys to make a quasi-political issue of it and media whores like al gorp and leo dicaprice to make pr off of it.
trish, i usually give you credit for having a goodly quantity of brain cells, but do you really believe ten or thirty or even hundred-year charts are adequate to support contentions of an abnormal or aberrant change in the climate of a planet that is a few billion years old? really?

This is all about carbon credits some kind of evil bolshevik plot to bring down this great nation.

Hey Roger ol' pal...the 22nd amendment can be repealed because in the very words of the wiley bolsheviks:

"The US constitution is a living document which can be updated to fit the modern days needs."

And we need four more years of one of the greatest president

GEORGE W. BUSH

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trish, i usually give you credit for having a goodly quantity of brain cells, but do you really believe ten or thirty or even hundred-year charts are adequate to support contentions of an abnormal or aberrant change in the climate of a planet that is a few billion years old? really?

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The possibility of planetary greenhouse warming predates and consequently predicts the data that’s been collected from numerous sources. Had the phenomenon been known first one might accuse the theory of being ad hoc…it isn’t. That warming is taking place nobody disputes. However, other mechanisms may be responsible. So for decades climatologists have been checking, measuring and eliminating other causes. Of course no warming would take place at all without the Sun. But all data and analysis demonstrates there is no variation in the solar flux that can quantitatively account for the warming we’ve experienced since the 1880’s. The additional warming may be due to greenhouse gasses emitted by volcanic action. This has been looked into. Volcanic emissions and solar activity together cannot by themselves quantitatively account for the current trends. How about water vapor in the atmosphere? Same story; the mathematics shows solar flux, volcanic activity and natural sources of water vapor do not account for the rise in global temperatures. How about the carbon dioxide released by burning fossil fuels? Won’t warm the Earth by itself, but add it to all the other mechanisms and we start to understand the mechanism behind climate change.

Now let me ask you a few questions. Layer after layer after layer of fossil fuel represents carbon that had been captured by living things and sequestered in the sediments of the Earth for ages and ages of unfathomable duration. Even the oil companies tell us we released nearly half that carbon. Think of releasing in a few hundred years all the carbon that took over half a billion years to store. In geologic terms that release is like an explosion. Do you really think there is no possible way that could have an effect on our climate? Do you really think the hypothesis is soooo silly it can be dismissed with a laugh?…in spite of all the evidence to the contrary?…in spite of the consensus of most climatologists on the planet?

Do you really think along with guyone it’s a communist plot? What would the commies have to gain? Do you think democrats are itching to regulate everything and will cook up international plots in order to do so? The IPCC scientists are not just babbling dialectic materialism. If you look into their reports you will find sophisticated mathematics and physical theory woven into a careful analysis of all the relevant mechanisms. Often the calculations and predictions are so complex they must be carried out on state of the art high speed parallel computers. I only mention this to counter the charge that climatologists look a few charts through political filters and announce their conclusions. Anyone who is truly interested can learn the math, learn the physics, understand the models and even inspect the code that implements the models.

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Originally Posted by guyone

Hey Roger ol' pal...the 22nd amendment can be repealed because in the very words of the wiley bolsheviks:

"The US constitution is a living document which can be updated to fit the modern days needs."

And we need four more years of one of the greatest president

GEORGE W. BUSH

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Nice try, guyone. I knew that, but you're not trying to tell me that thought was in your mind at the time, seriously? And even if there was a chance of it being repealed, I doubt they'd do it for Commander Chimpy who's only got a year and a half to go. You've more chance of the Constitution being changed to allow Schwarzenegger to become President in the future. That day may come! Nah, I reckon Gore and Obama in 2008, if Gore will run. :wink: But, again, nice try, guyone. :lol:

Sir David Attenborough: The Truth About Climate Change
The legendary broadcaster and naturalist Sir David Attenborough was long unsure about the causes of the observed climate warming. In his documentary, The Truth About Climate Change, he sheds doubt and explains what convinced him.

Climate models based on purely natural processes such as solar activity and volcanic eruptions fail to explain the observed change in Earth's climate in the latter part of the 20th century. Models factoring in the human impact, that is, the increase of carbon dioxide in the athmosphere, depict the transpired warming accurately, however. (163 seconds)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S9ob9WdbXx0

Stars top 10 climate scientist, Professor Peter Cox:
http://www.esi-topics.com/gwarm2006/.../PeterCox.html

Hindcast modeling is very good:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindcast

Roger teach me about our political system? I just want to repeat the bolshevik talking points. I don't want to think for myself I just want to accept anything the bolshevik leaders tell me. I want to sit on my ass all day not contributing to society just sucking the life out of it claiming that every little desire I may have is my basic human right.

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I just want to repeat . . . talking points. I don't want to think for myself I just want to accept anything . . . leaders tell me. I want to sit on my ass all day not contributing to society just sucking the life out of it. . . .

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That's more appropriate. Just messing with you, Guyone.

-Quinn

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I just want to repeat the bolshevik talking points.

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hey, why not? you already know all the reichwing talking points. in fact you're getting quite boring. you never seemed the sort who'd want to contribute to society anyway, just looking for ways to protect your own income. you never seemed like much of a thinker either, your posts are just black and white cartoonish caricatures of thought. you do realize that you're admitting bolsheviks think, that's how they come up with their "talking points". but if you want to be a robot and spout the communist line no one is stopping you. the thing is, you won't learn any bolshevik talking points here because no one here is pushing any...no one here is a bolshevik. you also realize that by dividing the world into two diametrically opposed pieces you sadly diminish your own options. you cut off routes to innovative solutions and you confine yourself to one line of thought like a prisoner in his own mind. you may have had some promise once. you may still have. but it's been sad to see you degenerate so over the months that i've known you. shake it off. wake up. broaden your mind. turn off rush limbaugh. think.

For any laypersons who are serious about learning a bit more about climate change, for a few bucks you can grab the August issue of Scientific American off the newstand. The article by Colman, Haywood, Manning and Mote on The Physical Science behind Climate Change is an informative read.

The real guestion is whether we have caused it or is it a natural occurrence. Nature and the earths climate is not in stasis.To quote a phrase "i have yet to see a fossilized SUV to account for the climate in the Dino era".