And the results are in...The 2007 AVN Award winners are....

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Maybe AVN reads this board and got scared about the speaches other nominees might state? Oh, I forgot, the TS performer award doesn't even get to collect the award.

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I remember reading this once before. There's no "I'd like to thank the Academy..." dribble or "Thank you to the 'little people'..." (The latter only lacking insult content if spoken by Judy Garland, Chevy Chase, or Peter Jackson)?

How do they get the pretty, glass monolith? Is it beamed down by intelligent forces on Venus? Or is it delivered by some guy that rings the doorbell and announces "Candygram!"? :wink:

Seriously, that's a very long list of awards, are Ts the only major category that doesn't step to the podium?

Congrats to Buck, he is a transsexual and thereby qualifies for the award. Does he deserve it? I have no idea; I have not seen his filmwork, so I cannot gauge the quality of his performance. For that matter, I've only seen a handful of TS porn altogether, so if I voted, it would be based solely on the work I do know by those nominated, which in turn would not be fair (in part because most of that work is pre-2006).

I think Vicki makes several excellent points. It's a shame that there is no M2F TS performer of the year winner as, Buck and Diesel (don't know him at all) aside, the TS porn field is M2F TS and should be represented by a top M2F performer of the year. I don't know the sales figures, but I'll wager that 99% of the TS porn market is M2F, and that market should be represented.

I don't see how Buck Angel winning is in any way "mocking" the TS scene. AVN represents mainstream adult entertainment, most of the people who read the magazine or visit the website probably don't know what "transexual" even means.

And like it or not, Buck is a transexual man.

That's reality. People should be a little less sensative and realize it's just an award show.

His winning was somewhat shocking, even provacative in a way, which is sometimes a good thing. Maybe some people will take a closer look at the whole transexual situation in general and try to better understand it.

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Originally Posted by Realgirls4me

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Originally Posted by tsluva

OK fine. we'll see how many tranny websites fold
and go under when they completely convert
to man-pie features.
then we'll compare the " progress " of it all.
Yeeepeee!

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Huh? What, pray tell, are you talking about?

All I was trying to say is that the TS world is not only being recognized at the AVN Awards, whether one agrees with their nominations or not, but also on the shelves of bookstores and DVD vendors inside and outside of cyberspace. Can anyone deny that?

So what are you talking about again? Clarify.


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i hear ya,
i just don't agree that Buck getting TS Performer of Year award
should be considered "progress" .

Though probably less regarded in their award recognition,
i thought up to this point the standard and measuring stick
for TS performers was already set with what we
thought the image of TS performer was before the latest
AVN award winner.
and mind you that likely performers like Daniella Fox,
Joanna Jet, Wendy and Yasmin Lee have been overlooked
and far deserving of the award.

Call it a specialty or some other kind of category that Buck
can be fit under and more suited for but i just don't think he
should have been added to mix of tgirls nominees that
have been previously entered into the AVN award ceremony.

what is to stop crossdresser and drag queens from
being seriously added to the mix in the near future?
Now this just only creates "confusion" rather than
add "progress" in my opinion.
To me, mockery and confusion is not progress.

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Originally Posted by seanchai

I think it's a great and brave choice.

The award is "Transsexual Performer" not "Transsexual MtF Perfomer". Buck has appeared in many films with some of our favourite TS stars - and I'm sure those models think Buck is deserving of the award.

I'll give myself an ice-cream for promoting Buck in 2003 and being the first mainstream TS site to feature him and his website.

Congratulations Buck - I hope your getting a big kick out of this - it's brought a smile to my Sunday.
seanchai

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Seanchai!

Thank you so much.Yes you were the very first to take a chance with me and supported what I was doing even though all the guys on your site were pretty upset by me. I will always remember that!! You are a pioneer just like I am so you understand it is very important work.

As for all you guys who are upset about my win you have to understand that I am a pioneer. This is a hugh step for ALL transsexuals in the business. I am sure many of you have never seen my work nor care too. You are turned on by women I am a man so that makes sense. You should open your minds. Once these girls were where I am and now it is totally mainstream. Now it is "ok" for you to be into these girls and once it was not!

So I have won this award for a reason. It was not because they wanted to pull some stunt. That is insulting to me and my work. Would you say the same if a girl won? I hate sore losers. If you read what the award is about you might change your mind.

Many of the girls have sent me emails with congrats! So they seem to be happy. Wendy Williams being the first to call me.

I hope you can see a bit more now what this is all about and maybe be happy for an underdog!

Thanks!
Buck Angel

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

My take on it is this... This is no different than lumping male and female performers together into one Performer of the Year award. Furthermore, it opens up more ridiculous possibilities. Just because the award didn't say "M2F Transsexual Performer of the Year" doesn't mean that wasn't implied. Just like their Male Performer of the Year doesn't say Male Human Performer of the Year... It leaves an openning for a great Male Horse Performer or Male Dog Performer or some other riduculousness. What if female performers started injecting their Vivid and Wicked lesbian scenes into GayVN. By definition, it is gay sex. The award shouldn't have to say Best Gay Male on Male Sex Act Between Two Legitimately Gay Males, it should be implied.

Obviously, M2F and F2M are two totally different performance types. How can you compare the best female performer to the best male performer when one is doing double and triple penetrations and the other has to keep a hard cock for hours and hours through numerous cuts, positions, etc? I don't think you can compare the two. I know that Buck's stuff sells pretty well and he clearly has a fan base, but it really makes no sense. It does feel to me a bit like AVN is mocking the genre.

AVN has recently done things such as remove TS lines from the Specialty Rentals Charts. They have also added a whole bunch of new awards for all the other specialty areas since TS stuff has really owned this category for years. Best Hairy Twat DVD, Best Fat Girl DVD, etc... It's becoming even more silly. Just give everyone their own award to shut them up.

Finally, Danielle had wanted to work with Buck before he worked with any other TS and I advised her against it based upon what I regard as the "freak show" factor. I remember Foxxy Angel fucking a midget in some pictures. People aren't getting into your stuff because it's hot necessarily, but because it's strange. It's like a bad car wreck and everyone wants to rubber neck. No I am not insulting Buck with that statement. It has nothing to do with Buck. It just has to do with the pairing and it's bizarre factor. Buck isn't a freak and neither are we (MtF TS), so why should we be creating product that is marketed as freak show or odd. Because yes, when people see beautiful, voluptuous Allanah Starr take out her shecock and stick it into a man's pussy, it's wierd.

I do congratulate Buck, and perhaps he is a great performer. In fact, it is completely and totally impossible to dislike the guy since he is so friendly and articulate. However, I don't really agree with him being part of the same category. Being a peer for the same award with someone named Buck does take some of the glamour away.

I ran a poll on my Yahoo Group that got almost 450 responses and Danielle was a 2-1 favorite over the next closest vote getter. This should have been her year in my opinion. I feel it is unfortunate that the folks at AVN chose this year to make a statement. Whatever that might be.

I also am so completely happy that I was not nominated this year so I can speak my mind on the topic without people telling me I am jealous or hateful. I am neither. I simply have an opinion. I think it's retarded to compete with men for the same award.

Diesel - Man with a Pussy - for Transsexual Performer of the Year 2008

http://shop.transsexual.sex-supersto...d/2018247C.jpg

Vicki

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Vicki,

Much of what you say is very true. But somehow I always feel like you have tons of hate for what I am doing. If you read my interviews you will see that I make sure I am never put in the Freak section. This is why I left Robert Hill and you see a guy like Diesel trying to take my place there. They have made him into the freaky transsexual man with tits and a pussy!
He is the kind of transsexual man you should be pissed at. He will fuck up everything I have done to make TS man porn a hot genre like yours.

I do believe I should not have to run against the women it makes no fucking sense but what do I do just sit around and do nothing? I had to compete in the awards because I deserve to just like you. I work my ass off just like you. I have many fans just like you.

You will see one day what I have done for not only me but you and all the girls. I think we should talk to AVN about seperating us. It is only fair. But for now I won and I would appreciate you supporting me like I support you!

XXX
Buck Angel

Heya Buck!

I was waiting/expecting for you to chime in. :D Congrats on the win! :claps

I've watched your scene with Allanah and think you both had too much fun with it. :lol:

Keep up the good work. :peanutbutter

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Originally Posted by Buck Angel

Vicki,

Much of what you say is very true. But somehow I always feel like you have tons of hate for what I am doing. If you read my interviews you will see that I make sure I am never put in the Freak section. This is why I left Robert Hill and you see a guy like Diesel trying to take my place there. They have made him into the freaky transsexual man with tits and a pussy!
He is the kind of transsexual man you should be pissed at. He will fuck up everything I have done to make TS man porn a hot genre like yours.

I do believe I should not have to run against the women it makes no fucking sense but what do I do just sit around and do nothing? I had to compete in the awards because I deserve to just like you. I work my ass off just like you. I have many fans just like you.

You will see one day what I have done for not only me but you and all the girls. I think we should talk to AVN about seperating us. It is only fair. But for now I won and I would appreciate you supporting me like I support you!

XXX
Buck Angel

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I don't have hate at all for what you are doing. You make porn. I make porn. Everything you said above is correct. I knew about you way back when Saigon's website had taken off and I was looking for a webmaster. Even then I was impressed with how well you have transitioned. I heard really good things from Saigon about you and your work ethic for her site. As I said, it is impossible to dislike you.

I support you from the standpoint that you won the award and bitching isn't going to change anything. I don't support it from the context of comparing apples and carrots. I wish I could explain it better. You coming in was like inserting a Hummer into a sportscar award event. The Hummer obviously is superior in a bunch of different ways that no sportscar can compete with and vice-versa. If that was the only SUV to get inserted, because of it's uniqueness, it might have an unfair advantage. The sportscar manufacturers might cry out in outrage because it just doesn't make sense for them to lose a competition because their car can't go off road and seat a family of 8.

You are a man without a true genre Buck. Maybe you will create one and more and more men like you will begin adult careers so there is actually a competition. While shemale porn bridges our kink into straight pornography, I believe much of your porn bridges the kink into gay pornography. A man fucking you has all the smoke and mirrors appearance of gay sex just like if I fuck a GG, it has the smoke and mirrors appearance of lesbian sex. Gay sex is a gayvn thing, lesbian is an AVN thing.

But, for now, you will be permanently inserted into a category created originally for transsexual women. You will be there next year, and the year after, and the year after... We're permanently going to be competing against a guy named Buck or maybe others named Diesel, Bob, or Frank when we aspire to be compared against women. I feel it's as insulting as them throwing other male performers such as Christian or Kurt Lockwood into our category. It's permanently tainted the award and made it a "just throw all those tranny freaks together" type of thing. As a transsexual woman, I would be mortified to be put into a contest where I was rated against all guys, transsexual or otherwise.

V

Oh wow...is this for real?

Reminds me of when Jethro Tull won best metal band instead of Metalica. The people handing out the awards just don't get it.