Prez Carter Gets Pwned on CSPAN

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Originally Posted by thombergeron

You're kind of grasping at straws here, aren't you Michael? You started this thread stridently attacking President Carter as a racist and an anti-semite, and have now retreated to cuttting-and-pasting quotes from an academic pissing match over his latest book.

Do you have any direct evidence at all to support your contention that Jimmy Carter "hates Jews"? Can you make even a vaguely coherent argument to refute the documented record of Jimmy Carter's lifetime of service to the United States and humanity at large? Can you offer any reason at all to believe that he didn't rightly deserve his 2002 Nobel Peave Prize? Do you have any explanation for how an anti-semite was awarded honorary doctorates from three major Israeli universities? Can you imagine any reason why the Synagogue Council of America awarded its International Human Rights Award to a "Jew-hater"?

In short, do you have anything to say about Jimmy Carter's career that is actually supported by fact or the historical record?

And what the hell is that photo, and what does it have to do with anything? Just one time, please, use the brain that God gave you.

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Man,you`re just the other pinheads in here. Get your head handed to you and still come back ignoring the goring you just took.

Jimmy a Jew hater? His own words reveal alot:

March 1980 meeting with his senior political advisers, angrily snapped, "If I get back in, I`m going to f--- the Jews."
Jimmy Carter, March 1980

Dangerous Liaison: The Inside Story of the U.S.-Israeli Covert Relationship by Andrew and Leslie Cockburn


Late 1980: Cyrus Vance…confirmed to then-New York mayor Ed Koch that Carter, if reelected, would "sell out" the Jews.

Mayor- by Ed Koch.

“view[ed] the unarmed young Palestinians who stood up against thousands of Israel soldiers as ‘instant heroes...Buoyed by the intifada, Carter passed on to the Palestinians, through Arafat, his congratulations.”

The Unfinished Presidency-Douglas Brinkley

Howard Dean wants nothing of Carter and his hate," On this issue Carter speaks for himself...I and other democrats will continue to stand with Israel in it`s battle against terrorism ..."


Nobel Peace prize:

1994 Yasser Arafat! `Nough said on said "peace prize".

Synagogue Council of America:

That left-wing group no longer exists.Hasn`t existed for about 12 years.

"major Israeli universities" ? :

Who cares about self-hating Jews and Americans.

The photo? I`ve always found the left to be dour,sour,bitter,sanctimonious,and, ill-humored.

Now your projecting your own shortcomings onto me. That doesn't settle anything but digs oneself deeper into the condition. Remember denial is not a river in Egypt. And I'm not saying the left is beyond hope. With the proper treatment the left can resume a rational and healthy lifestyle and able to make vast contributions to our society.

As far as Carter goes this was taken from Wikipedia (an accredited source on this board):

The Iranian hostage crisis was seen by critics as a devastating blow to national prestige; Carter struggled for 444 days to effect the release of the hostages. A failed rescue attempt led to the resignation, in protest, of his Secretary of State Cyrus Vance. The hostages were finally released the day Carter left office.

The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan marked the end of détente, and Carter moved to the right, boycotted the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow, and began to rebuild American military power. He beat off a primary challenge from Senator Ted Kennedy but was unable to effectively reduce soaring interest rates and inflation rates, or to lower unemployment. The "Misery Index", his favored measure of economic well-being, rose 50% (the highest since Truman) in four years. He feuded with the Democratic leaders who controlled Congress and, as a result, was unable to reform the tax system or to implement a national health plan. He was defeated by Republican Ronald Reagan in 1980.

...and does anybody remember his brother (hic hic) Billy?

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Originally Posted by chefmike

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Originally Posted by thombergeron

You're kind of grasping at straws here, aren't you Michael? You started this thread stridently attacking President Carter as a racist and an anti-Semite, and have now retreated to cutting-and-pasting quotes from an academic pissing match over his latest book.

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Not exactly a new tactic for our would-be great white hope...

Take a look at this WMC thread...

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=12363

Look how the thread started(where he was proven to be wrong once again...)

Then look at how WMC attempts to divert and weasel out by focusing on minutiae which had nothing to do with his original thread...

He has since changed the title of the thread also...

What a surprise, he's attempting to rewrite history...

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The topic was changed for a simple reason, Judicial Supremacy became the germane issue. All else became secondary.

Yes the thorough reveal of your boy/girl to not even be aware it was arguing in favor of Judicial Supremacy,not even aware of Article III and what it meant,let alone having even read it. Sad to see Americans either deny facts less they be embarrassed or more so,be ignorant of their own Constitution. Not willing or able to answer my specific questions your boy/girl runs off and creates his own bizarro world topic. No surprise since it began to stalk me, but juvenile,laughable,hilarious and sad all at once.

So Chef,do you adhere to the doctrine of Judicial Supremacy/oligarchy?

For God's sake, Michael. You're just going to repost the same shit I knocked down two days ago? You can't find anything new to cut-and-paste in here?

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Who cares about self-hating Jews and Americans.

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Gasp! Not those self-hating Jews again! Man, they're everywhere, running all the Israeli Universities and Jewish human rights organizations. Do you suppose there are any Jews who don't hate themselves?

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Originally Posted by guyone

As far as Carter goes this was taken from Wikipedia (an accredited source on this board):

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Sigh... Yes, we have established that Carter's Presidency was lackluster (though by contemporary standards, I think we can call it a success). We covered this ground at the beginning of the thread. Could you two possibly bother to read what's already been posted a couple of pages back in the thread before posting the same shit all over again?

We have further established that Jimmy Carter possess one of the most exemplary records of service to humanity of any living person. Forgive me, but how that equals BUM, I don't understand.

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For God's sake, Michael. You're just going to repost the same shit I knocked down two days ago? You can't find anything new to cut-and-paste in here?

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Don`t know what "god" you pray to but I do believe you forgot to "knock down",

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"If I get back in, I`m going to f--- the Jews."

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Cyrus Vance…confirmed to then-New York mayor Ed Koch that Carter, if reelected, would "sell out" the Jews.

AND THIS :

Howard Dean wants nothing of Carter and his hate," On this issue Carter speaks for himself...I and other democrats will continue to stand with Israel in it`s battle against terrorism ..."

Perhaps I`m mistaken and they`re all taken out of context.

Find the answers and let me know eh :wink:

I would refer the right honorable gentleman to the answer I gave on page 1 of the thread.

Are you you having some comprehension issues, Michael?

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Sigh... Yes, we have established that Carter's Presidency was lackluster (though by contemporary standards, I think we can call it a success)...blah blah blah...We have further established that Jimmy Carter possess one of the most exemplary records of service to humanity of any living person. Forgive me, but how that equals BUM, I don't understand.

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'lackluster'? Wow that's spinning so wildly out of control it's...Delusional.

The psychiatrist and philosopher Karl Jaspers was the first to define the three main criteria for a belief to be considered delusional in his book General Psychopathology. These criteria are:
certainty (held with absolute conviction)
incorrigibility (not changeable by compelling counterargument or proof to the contrary)
impossibility or falsity of content (implausible, bizarre or patently untrue)

16.27 on the 'Misery' Index is not 'lackluster...


16.27 = BUM

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Originally Posted by thombergeron

I would refer the right honorable gentleman to the answer I gave on page 1 of the thread.

Are you you having some comprehension issues, Michael?

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No issues here.

OPINION is not FACT. Your opinion is irrelevant,and that is exactly what you gave concerning these quotes :

"If I get back in, I`m going to f--- the Jews."
Jimmy Carter, March 1980

Dangerous Liaison: The Inside Story of the U.S.-Israeli Covert Relationship by Andrew and Leslie Cockburn

Cyrus Vance…confirmed to then-New York mayor Ed Koch that Carter, if reelected, would "sell out" the Jews.

Mayor- by Ed Koch

Howard Dean," On this issue Carter speaks for himself...I and other democrats will continue to stand with Israel in it`s battle against terrorism ..."

Now the logical path to take is to read Mayor/ Dangerous Liaison and then PROVE otherwise. Conclusively prove Howard Dean,Koch and the Cockburns` were taken out of context and meant something else completely.

Get back to me when you have. 8)

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Originally Posted by guyone

16.27 on the 'Misery' Index is not 'lackluster...

16.27 = BUM

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So you’re going to hang your hat on a single economic indicator from a four-year period? Your position is that history’s assessment of public figures should rely solely on the Misery Index? Did you notice that the Misery Index for the Reagan Administration is only marginally higher than that for Carter’s, that he’s third from the bottom, trailed only by Ford and Carter? Did you further notice that four of the top five spots are occupied by Democratic Administrations? Why do you continually deride Reagan and the Republican Party?

What you’re saying is that a poor U.S. economy during the late 1970s is of greater consequence than the Camp David Accords, Habitat for Humanity, the Nobel Peace Prize, Carter’s service to this country as a nuclear engineer in the U.S. Navy, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera… In fact, what your posts indicate is that you value partisan hackery over actual service to humanity.

As I’ve said before, the truly absurd criticism that you and Michael have leveled against Jimmy Carter really speaks volumes about you as a human being. It’s unfortunate that people like you put so much energy into tearing down good people, as opposed to actually helping to improve the world. I hope that someday you take a really close look at your own values, and what you might achieve by dedicating your life to positive endeavors, as Jimmy Carter has done with his. Good luck.