Boston Marathon

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Originally Posted by BrassVillanueva

The availability or existence of such weapons is irrelevant. You don't blame the existence of the printing press for typos, do you? That, again, is a ridiculous assertion and a logical fallacy.

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To conflate guns with typos is ridiculous.

Thanks goodness there's an ocean between us, literally and in terms of our views ... ;)

Comfort Dogs help Boston victims heal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Ly_MqPTi0

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Originally Posted by Shelf

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To conflate guns with typos is ridiculous.

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It's not ridiculous at all. You're blaming the tool for the actions of the user. It's the same thing the media here does with SUVs. Every time there's an accident caused by someone who was driving an SUV, the headline is "SUV crashes into storefront" or "SUV runs red light, two in hospital." Any other vehicle and you'll see "Local man crashes vehicle." It's the blaming of the vehicle for the driver's actions. Same principle with a printing press and typos or a gun and the act of murder. You can blame dinnerware for obesity all you like, but you'll still be making a ridiculous argument.

No one is blaming the tool. We are noting, however, that if you make tools designed for killing more accessible, then (all things being equal) there will be more people killed. We're not blaming the tools. We're blaming our lawmakers for making the tools of death readily available...especially to children, idiots, losers and even people on the no-fly list.

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Originally Posted by trish

No one is blaming the tool. We are noting, however, that if you make tools designed for killing more accessible, then (all things being equal) there will be more people killed. We're not blaming the tools. We're blaming our lawmakers for making the tools of death readily available...especially to children, idiots, losers and even people on the no-fly list.

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Thank you. The voice of reason ... :)

I love it when people use Hitler to win arguments.

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Originally Posted by up_for_it

I love it when people use Hitler to win arguments.

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I love it when people think we should ignore a recent piece of history that serves as a perfect example of how a society can do amazingly horrible things.

Hitler and the Nazi weren't fantasy, they aren't just something to use for easy enemies in games or movies.

Of course in the U.S. it's losers with guns who are doing amazingly horrible things while telling us how safe, necessary and well intended they are. The first people who will call you unpatriotic for questioning our country's war policies are the people who masturbate over the fantasy of taking up arms against the government.

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Originally Posted by up_for_it

I love it when people use Hitler to win arguments.

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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
-Joseph Goebbels

Only an idiot believes that Obama is trying to take away their guns or freedom, the only people these common sense law adjustments would hurt is criminals, and the NRA says it's ALL ABOUT stopping criminals. The NRA want to establish themselves as the go-to guys when it cums to guns, and arguing with them is like arguing with Tony the Tiger if you find a rat in your sugar frosted flakes. If you put an ad on tv for Budweiser beer every 30 minutes, people will buy it. And if the NRA puts an ad on every 30 minutes, people will buy it. Guns are entertainment.Guns are Product.


Future First Person Shooter - YouTube

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Originally Posted by trish

No one is blaming the tool. We are noting, however, that if you make tools designed for killing more accessible, then (all things being equal) there will be more people killed. We're not blaming the tools. We're blaming our lawmakers for making the tools of death readily available...especially to children, idiots, losers and even people on the no-fly list.

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Then, in that case, you have to also ban all knives, all pens, all pencils, frying pans, baseball bats, straight razors, hedge shears, anything with a sharp edge or that can be used a blunt object... all things which are even MORE accessible than guns and ALL of which have been used as a deadly weapon, either with the intended effect or simply with the intent.

No, not an acceptable argument. You don't take away the tools from the people who use them properly just because some whackjobs use them improperly. That's the whole point. No more regulation will do any good, and the regulation that's already in place doesn't do any good, either. Gun control does not work. It never has and it never will.