Baby killers---they will rot in hell.
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Photo Gallery of Gaza's Martyred Children
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/200...yred-children/
I did not see Angel getting personal with her, so I don't think it is appropriate to put a personal attack on her. As for the gas chamber comment, it is not particularly vulgar as it does not say that this was a positive event but rather that the policy which Israel has chosen to execute is comparable to those very same events. As I have highlighted in my previous post this is in my opinion a valid comparison as this is nothing but an arbitrary punitive measure against a people as a whole. The Holocaust was a horrific event in human history but this does not provide a moral carte blanche for Israel to do anything and everything it wishes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niccolo
Now if you want to get biblical, you are only providing half the story and that out of context. The Beni Qoreiga tribe had allied with the Meccans and made war on Muhammed and his group in their infancy. They lost and this was the normal outcome of warfare circa 600 AD. To talk about this event as a factual driver for today's events would be similar to me trying to justify wholesale discrimination and persecution against Jews because they killed Jesus 2000 years ago, rubbish.
Well if you genuinely believe that kittyKaiti's comment was vulgar but it's just fine and dandy to try to crack a joke about Jews learning how to gas people in the camps, and you seriously are of the opinion that people in Gaza are as we speak being ferried away to secret camps where they will all have their fillings removed, their hair shaved off, and then murdered on an industrial scale in order to wipe every inhabitant of Gaza from the face of the earth, then there's not much anyone can say to you on that score. Except: wait a while. I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that in a couple of weeks or so, you will be able to look back and say, whoops, that didn't happen after all. Look, Gaza's still there and there are still people living there. Maybe Israel wasn't trying to exterminate every last one of them after all .. maybe I was wrong.
Again though - if you read the original posts made by kittyKaiti, you'll see vulgar personal attacks aplenty in response to them - but no attempts to discuss the assertions she actually made, namely that Muhammad was a paedophile (as she put it) and that during his military career he had committed acts which today we would consider acts of terrorism.
To this one can add that Muhammad is understood by Muslims to be "the ideal man" - the one person who devout Muslims can look to for guidance on how to conduct themselves as they make their way through life.
Isn't that correct? Do you want to claim that this is not the case?
So the context in which you ought to take my quoting the hadith regarding Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, and the slaughter of that particular Jewish tribe, is right in front of you. People were so mad, after all she'd criticised Islam which is not on, they were jumping up and down and saying she was ignorant, needed to read a book, get an education, stuff like that. When in my opinion the reason she said what she did was probably that she had read more, and was better educated on this topic, than the people who were engaging in those personal attacks. I thought I'd try to show why someone could hold kittyKaiti's views. If only instead of guessing (again) you had bothered to do as I suggested last time, and read kittyKaiti's original posts, and seen the reaction to them.
And saying oh don't worry about Muhammad beheading a tribe of Jews and enslaving their woman, it was normal for the time is a pretty poor argument, don't you think? If you want to adopt some form of moral relativism here, then lay out your argument properly, and when you do, remember to factor in your use now of whatever standards you believe you are using to judge the Israeli people, who are living in a different situation altogether, and who are dealing with a completely different set of problems, compared to anything you've experienced. Then explain why you think your criticism of Israel is valid, but it's not acceptable for kittyKaiti to criticise someone who lived in the 7th Century for shagging a nine year old girl, and murdering a tribe of Jews who had already surrendered. Yes, I noticed that you neglected to mention that little detail, in your attempt to tell the whole story and put their eventual murder in the proper context.
Edit: here's a dilemma for you: Do tell everyone your opinion of the atrocities carried out by the Japanese in WWII - the beheading of prisoners, their seeing non-Japanese people as beneath contempt, even as less than fully human, the use of "comfort women" - all of which have parallels in Islam - explain that you think that hey, it was just "normal" - just how the Japanese behaved at that point in history, and there's no reason for anyone to think badly of such behaviour today. Make that argument, if you can.
Or choose the second horn: If you in fact condemn the behaviour of the Japanese, and are glad that the Americans managed to defeat them in WWII then please explain how it is that when the Japanese beheaded other Asian people and Allied POWs, carried out medical experiments on Allied POWs, and forced women to go on death marches, you act as any morally sane person would and condemn such acts - yet seek to give Islam a pass when it comes to beheading surrendered prisoners and having sex with children. I'd be very interested in reading that argument.
This is a porno board at the end of the day, and you might be feeling a little horny while you're here.
Choose one.
Second edit: And again: you want to "acknowledge the history of this conflict" and try to criticise me for "providing only half the story and that was out of context" and yet you have yet to respond to what I said in my earlier post:
So let me get this straight: you want to talk about the history behind this current situation, and you also want to say that up until 1948, Muslims (and arabs) were peaceloving folk, who didn't bother anybody?
Funnily enough I'm currently reading Max Hastings' book "Nemesis" on the battle for Japan during WWII. The similarities between the Japanese and Islamists right throughout history are striking. (Death cults, suicidal warriors, beheading their enemies, indoctrination of children, thinking that the "materialist" West wouldn't stand up to them, dishing out absolutely appalling treatment of people who were not members of their little "group" - try reading Pierre Boulle then Giles Milton, one after the other - on and on it goes.)
We (mainly the Americans) kicked the living shit out of the Japanese, because that's what it took to end that conflict on top. Same with the many battles with Islamic forces throughout history, and there have been plenty of those by the way. The American forces used flamethrowers in the Pacific theatre, the Knights of St. John built great fiery hoops and threw them on top of advancing Janissaries. To give just one example. Using that kind of weapon is what it took to prevail against a fanatical, murderous, absolutely ruthless enemy. And I don't believe that things have changed that much in 60-odd years. If that's what it takes, then that's what it takes. Think of Malta in 1565 - a small island which stood up, alone, to the forces of Islam, which sought to destroy it, and to impose their ideology throughout Europe. We're all glad they did, too. Should we not be thinking of Israel in a similar way?
Perhaps you believe the world would be a better place now if Islam had extended its rule into Europe? I don't. Should we not frame the current situation by looking back through history and considering ... well let's see .. The Battle of Tours (732), The Siege of Malta (1565), The Battle of Lepanto (1571), Vienna (1683) ... and right now, here at the beginning of the 21st Century ... Israel? (See links in previous post.)
Couldn't one turn around your (earlier) comment, and say that there are a lot of people (and let's be honest here, especially in the Muslim world) who resent Israel because they do not go gentle into that good night? That appears to be an unpleasant reality too.
But the Israelis are going nowhere.
Gazans seek new places to bury the dead
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090113/...nians_the_dead
Dirty Bastards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k
The Five Dancing Israelis
Arrested On 9-11
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...eisraelis.html
Palestinian girl: Hamas responsible for war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLIdxF-GHWw
Children of Hamas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8
Palestinian child becomes Jihad fighter in Hamas clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FvXe...eature=related