17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

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Originally Posted by maddygirl

I can't understand why some of you keep bringing up the black/white race argument. Zimmerman isn't white, and doesn't even look white. Even though he very well may have committed this crime, believe it or not.. not every crime involving people of different races was racially motivated.

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First off you're wrong, he's Part Caucasian, Afro Peruvian (African genealogy), and he speaks Spanish because that's what the Caucasian Spaniards when colonizing gave Africans. There are also Caucasian Spaniards, there's no real such thing as white people, I can get the pure color white and match any Caucasian to it then I will acknowledge so called THE WHITE IDENTITY STATUS CLASSIFICATION!!!

So basically with his back ground he is Caucasian and African mixed. Not just Latino, stop the madness.

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

there's no real such thing as white people, I can get the pure color white and match any Caucasian to it

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This applies to me.:werd:

I'm actually pinkish-beige depending on how much time I spend outdoors.:wiggle:

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Originally Posted by buttslinger

This just in: Tray had THC in his system.

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And?

Plants use THC as a defense against herbivores. Obviously Tray was attempting to fend off a huge stupid beast.

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Originally Posted by zulusierra

This applies to me.:werd:

I'm actually pinkish-beige depending on how much time I spend outdoors.:wiggle:

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:dead: Yes, I am looking at the collar on your shirt now that's white, you're not that complexion. lol I don't call people colors because we are not fucking crayons in a box we are different shades and complexions. Yes you have a pink reddish hue, that's due to the blood cycles closer to your epidermis, but not all Caucasians are you complexion, some are pale like Bailey Jay for instants.

But the only time you can become white is if you let Paris Pirelli shoot her milky white cum all over your face!!! Then I will call you a white man lol lmao :dancing::dancing::dancing:

But you're a cool guy though. :dancing:

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Originally Posted by trish

Plants use THC as a defense against herbivores. Obviously Tray was attempting to fend off a huge stupid beast.

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:dead::dead::dead:

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Originally Posted by trish

Not only my opinion, but the opinion of everyone who knows right from wrong.
And no, if you can't defend yourself without firearm, then that's your problem and a problem for every Texan. What a fucked up state!

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LMAO....Now it's Texas? Last week North Carolina, and before that West Virginia and Florida. Think maybe it's you and your views? Of course not little miss can't be wrong. :loser:

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Originally Posted by buttslinger

He's probably thinking something along the lines of "fuck this punk-ass white boy" and decides to get froggy.

Then why was he yelling "help help?"

This just in: Tray had THC in his system.

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As far as calling for help goes, ABC reported that the FBI analyzed the tape and were unable to determine whose voice it was.

For those of us interested in the case, there was a big 'document dump' today. A release of lots of evidence. Pictures, autopsy results, audio versions of interviews, etc. Seems like we'll know a lot more about the case, and have a lot less speculating to do. Which is good.

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Originally Posted by Queens Guy

As far as calling for help goes, ABC reported that the FBI analyzed the tape and were unable to determine whose voice it was.
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So you mean to tell me FBI couldn't use voice recognition? They use that all the time. Being Trayvon is dead, they analyze Zimmerman's voice, if it comes out the voice waves don't match then it was Tray yelling for help, if it comes out the wave forms of Zimmerman's voice then it would be him. Simple.

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Originally Posted by maddygirl

I can't understand why some of you keep bringing up the black/white race argument. Zimmerman isn't white, and doesn't even look white. Even though he very well may have committed this crime, believe it or not.. not every crime involving people of different races was racially motivated.

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You know the answer to that rhetorical question...surely you do. It fits the narrative so much nicer when it's a white ( in this case "White Hispanic according to the NY Times) shooting an African American. Despite photos of clearly dark skinned grandparents, if one of Zimmerman's parents hadn't been white, do you think for a second we'd be 109 pages into this? About 100 pages ago I suggested to wait for legal discovery before jumping to so many conclusions....for doing so...you'd think I was the guy who pulled the fucking trigger. Fuck 'em...people are going to believe whatever they want for whatever reasons they want and no amount of evidence to the contrary is going to dissuade them from that position. I absolutely believe the majority of people posting on this topic have created the events of this case in their own minds so clearly (based on nothing more than press reports and their own biases) they could be called to testify as either "expert" witnesses, eye witnesses, or mediums. lol

Court docs: Trayvon Martin shooting 'ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman'


Prosecutors on Thursday made public a trove of evidence used to justify murder charges against Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman, including a police report that concluded "the encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman."
The evidence – including 183 pages of documents, witness statements and other material – was released Thursday to news organizations and other requestors by special prosecutor Angela Corey’s office, who has charged the 28-year-old Zimmerman with second-degree murder in the killing of 17-year-old Martin on Feb. 26 in Sanford, Fla. Also included was a document explaining what material was withheld.

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...zimmerman?lite

Wow gotta read this, thanks for the info again.

This is what we were saying all along, IF ZIMMERMAN WOULD OF STAYED HIS ASS IN THE SUV TRAY WOULD BE ALIVE!!!

Oh fuck a police report said this was avoidable? Oh dam Zimmerman just by that police report, oh my he is going down!!!!

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Originally Posted by natina

Court docs: Trayvon Martin shooting 'ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman'


Prosecutors on Thursday made public a trove of evidence used to justify murder charges against Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman, including a police report that concluded "the encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman."
The evidence – including 183 pages of documents, witness statements and other material – was released Thursday to news organizations and other requestors by special prosecutor Angela Corey’s office, who has charged the 28-year-old Zimmerman with second-degree murder in the killing of 17-year-old Martin on Feb. 26 in Sanford, Fla. Also included was a document explaining what material was withheld.

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...zimmerman?lite

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

Wow gotta read this, thanks for the info again.

This is what we were saying all along, IF ZIMMERMAN WOULD OF STAYED HIS ASS IN THE SUV TRAY WOULD BE ALIVE!!!

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Yeah he should have just stayed in the car...

Very cute.

Just in, Zimmerman himself was on a prescription for Tamazepam, according to the paramedic's incident report reproducing his medical records. (Tamazepam is also known as Restoril and is prescribed for anxiety and insomnia.)

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Originally Posted by buttslinger

He's probably thinking something along the lines of "fuck this punk-ass white boy" and decides to get froggy.

Then why was he yelling "help help?"

This just in: Tray had THC in his system.

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Originally Posted by maddygirl

I can't understand why some of you keep bringing up the black/white race argument. Zimmerman isn't white, and doesn't even look white. Even though he very well may have committed this crime, believe it or not.. not every crime involving people of different races was racially motivated.

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Well I understand your concern, so here's what I have read from the document, but me in particular is not really into the race thing, a teen was shot for no reason that's why I am angry as fuck and how the police handled it and how Zimmerman lied and said he was at his SUV when Tray attacked him and banged his head on the concrete. That's a lie.

So Here's why people are talking about race as an issue.

REPORT SAYS:
Another police report indicated that Zimmerman, who is white and of Hispanic heritage, had called Sanford police on at least four previous occasions while residing in the Retreat at Twin Lakes gated community in Sanford, and in each case the “suspicious person” was a black male.

INVESTIGATION REPORT REVEALS:
“Investigation reveals that on Aug. 4, Aug. 5 and Oct. 6, 2011, and on Feb. 2, 2012, George Zimmerman reported suspicious persons – all young black males – in the Retreat neighborhood to Sanford Police Department,” it said. “According to records checks, all of Zimmerman’s suspicious persons calls while residing in the Retreat neighborhood have identified black males as the subjects.”

So with that what do you think people are going to think? Again Zimmerman is not just Hispanic, he is a mixture.

Let me make something clear about out in the world, adults are the ones that are suppose to think more than the teens. Sure teens are suppose to think but remember YOUR ASS WAS ONCE A TEEN TOO AND DID SOME DUMB SHIT!!! For those that believe Trayvon deserved to be dead then you should look back on dumb shit you did and see if you should be dead.

Zimmerman is an adult he should of acted like one, not some vigilante hard ass, Tray is a teen, no matter what the situation is the adult should think more so than the teen should. Tray was 17 only, hell he know about what's really going on? He's only been on the earth 17 years and 10 of those years lack knowledge of the real world.

So what he put up the middle finger on facebook you know how many teens do that shit everyday? Does that constitute he should die? You got girls on twitter showing tits and ass, does that mean they deserve to die if they are in a neighborhood visiting?

Trayvon deserved to life, Zimmerman took his life away because he was so out and compelled to get someone for shit he was hallucinating about and fixed his dam mind on.

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

So you mean to tell me FBI couldn't use voice recognition? They use that all the time. Being Trayvon is dead, they analyze Zimmerman's voice, if it comes out the voice waves don't match then it was Tray yelling for help, if it comes out the wave forms of Zimmerman's voice then it would be him. Simple.

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james,

That's exactly what ABC is reporting. The FBI, which has the best forensic labs in the USA, analyzed the recording. They were unable to determine whose voice it was. ABC doesn't mention which specific technology was used, but I doubt that the FBI, which reports to Attorney General Eric Holder, who reports to President Obama, fudged the results.

As all of this recently released information gets reviewed, please don't look at just one news network. And I'm referring to MSNBC, where Al Sharpton is also one of their anchors. They may not think much of this information is damaging to the prosecution's case, but other networks, and I don't mean Fox, think this information is bad for the prosecution's case.

Here is a link to a story by ABC, which isn't as far left as MSNBC or as far right as Fox.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnes...2#.T7WVMo4W820

Don't trust any one network. Look at a few of them. I do. In the US and even in the UK to see how they are covering the story.

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Originally Posted by maddygirl

I can't understand why some of you keep bringing up the black/white race argument. Zimmerman isn't white, and doesn't even look white. Even though he very well may have committed this crime, believe it or not.. not every crime involving people of different races was racially motivated.

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Think, Maddy.

If George Zimmerman was a green polka dotted Korean w/ red stripes on his ass, the fact that he admitted to shooting an unarmed teen through the chest out in public and wasn't charged with a crime for almost two months is where the outrage comes from.

Most people couldn't give a damn about Zimmerman's ethnic background, it's the endemic institutional racism in the criminal justice system that's highlighted by this case is what bystanders are so upset about.

George isn't a 'bad guy' because he's white/hispanic.

He's a piece of shit because Zimmerman murdered a kid in a confrontation he himself initiated.

Exactly. I don't give a shit if Trayvon was purple and Zimmerman chartreuse. Switch it around if you like: Tray is chartreuse and Zimmerman purple. Giovanni's observation is worth repeating,

"...the fact that he admitted to shooting an unarmed teen through the chest out in public and wasn't charged with a crime for almost two months is where the outrage comes from.

Most people couldn't give a damn about Zimmerman's ethnic background, it's the endemic institutional racism in the criminal justice system that's highlighted by this case is what bystanders are so upset about.

George isn't a 'bad guy' because he's white/hispanic.

He's a piece of shit because Zimmerman murdered a kid in a confrontation he himself initiated."

Don't you just love it.
The report also says from the medical examiner: ZIMMERMAN LACERATIONS.

"Bleeding tenderness to his nose, and a small laceration to the back of his head. All injuries have minor bleeding," paramedic Michael Brandy wrote about Zimmerman's injuries.

His dam nose don't look broken, nor has the raccoon look around his eyes, no wonder there was no blood on his clothes.

http://img1.imagehousing.com/29/7e6f...89aa211831.jpg

http://img1.imagehousing.com/29/346e...ea423aa3ee.jpg

Okay, the back of his head got scuffed up pretty bad, but still didn't require stitches. I see NO EVIDENCE that he had black eyes.

Looks like he was obviously in some kind of fight, but it was a far cry from a life and death struggle that required the use of a firearm IMO to defend himself.

Just a reflection from far away, but if this thread with all the endless speculation is in any way representative, it's hard to see how anyone in this situation can get a fair trial. Jury selection could go on for weeks.

BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT!

(2) TWO EXPERT WITNESS WLL TESTIFY THAT IT WAS NO ZIMMERMAN SCREAMING FOR HELP

TRAYVON MARTIN CASE 911 CALL: SCREAMS NOT GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S, 2 EXPERTS SAY - YouTube

Audio Experts: Screaming on 911 Tape NOT Killer George Zimmerman's - YouTube

The Damning Audio and Video Evidence on George Zimmerman - YouTube

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Originally Posted by Queens Guy

james,

That's exactly what ABC is reporting. The FBI, which has the best forensic labs in the USA, analyzed the recording. They were unable to determine whose voice it was. ABC doesn't mention which specific technology was used, but I doubt that the FBI, which reports to Attorney General Eric Holder, who reports to President Obama, fudged the results.

As all of this recently released information gets reviewed, please don't look at just one news network. And I'm referring to MSNBC, where Al Sharpton is also one of their anchors. They may not think much of this information is damaging to the prosecution's case, but other networks, and I don't mean Fox, think this information is bad for the prosecution's case.

Here is a link to a story by ABC, which isn't as far left as MSNBC or as far right as Fox.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnes...2#.T7WVMo4W820

Don't trust any one network. Look at a few of them. I do. In the US and even in the UK to see how they are covering the story.

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Another police report indicated that Zimmerman, who is white and of Hispanic heritage, had called Sanford police on at least four previous occasions while residing in the Retreat at Twin Lakes gated community in Sanford, and in each case the “suspicious person” was a black male.

“Investigation reveals that on Aug. 4, Aug. 5 and Oct. 6, 2011, and on Feb. 2, 2012, George Zimmerman reported suspicious persons – all young black males – in the Retreat neighborhood to Sanford Police Department,” it said. “According to records checks, all of Zimmerman’s suspicious persons calls while residing in the Retreat neighborhood have identified black males as the subjects.”

Another police report indicated that Sanford police thought Zimmerman was at fault, even though they let him go after questioning him.

"Investigation reveals that Martin was in fact running generally in the direction of where he was staying as a guest in the neighborhood," it said.

Zimmerman himself was on a prescription for Tamazepam, according to the paramedic's incident report reproducing his medical records. (Tamazepam is also known as Restoril and is prescribed for anxiety and insomnia.)

Court docs: Trayvon Martin shooting 'ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman'

Prosecutors on Thursday made public a trove of evidence used to justify murder charges against Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman, including a police report that concluded "the encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...zimmerman?lite

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Okay, the back of his head got scuffed up pretty bad, but still didn't require stitches. I see NO EVIDENCE that he had black eyes.

Looks like he was obviously in some kind of fight, but it was a far cry from a life and death struggle that required the use of a firearm IMO to defend himself.

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Bro the little nicks and cuts he has are nothing compare to these dam cuts, the way he told it you would of thought he got cut like this:

http://img1.imagehousing.com/78/02f6...386b642d11.jpg

Factual Evidence Against George Zimmerman - YouTube

I told yall, I told you about voice recognition, If Zimmerman said there were only two people at that scene, himself and Trayvon and the analysis puts the VR against Zimmerman and it doesn't match up, then it had to be Trayvon's voice, because it was ONLY THOSE TWO! You don't need Trayvon's voice !!! Every time I hear that it makes me upset, this grown as man killing a child. AND FOR NO GOT DAM REASON!!!!

Oh and please don't tell me he didn't do it, FUCK OUTTA HERE HE ADMITTED HE DID IT!!! His shit is going to fall, Thank you Natina for that video!!!

The audio shows that Zimmerman himself said he would meet the officers at the Mailbox before the cut entrance, then his ass switched it up and told the dispatcher to tell the police to call him. See if his ass would of stayed at the mailbox or his SUV this wouldn't have happen.

When Trayvon was walking towards Zimmerman it wasn't because he saw Zimmerman that time, Trayvon was under something to protect him from the rain. And the something Zimmerman is talking about Trayvon has WAS SKITTLES AND A DAM ICE TEA!!! Zimmerman said himself "HE LOOKS LIKE A TEEN". So Trayvon was basically trying to keep dry and Zimmerman took all that as being fucking suspicious.

When It rains I do the same thing, If I am two blocks away I get under something then run to another point , then run to another point then run straight to my destination, that's all Tray was doing. Zimmerman hallucinating ass while he was on whatever he was on thought Tray was doing that because he was doing something wrong. Fact is TRAYVON BELONGED THERE BECAUSE HE WAS VISITING HIS FATHER!!! He was not intruding!!!

That first pop was a door slamming of another witness that Zimmerman knocked on that person's door. in this video it has audio of a gun supposedly was not a gun cocking back it was Zimmerman knocking on a door and he did it twice and you can hear Zimmerman whisper to this person in another audio, that's why when Zimmerman started fighting with the teen the person ran inside and the door slammed because that person went to call police.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/...witness-758903


A witness told Florida cops that he saw Trayvon Martin straddling George Zimmerman and pummeling the neighborhood watch captain “MMA style” shortly before the unarmed teen was felled by a gunshot to the chest.

The witness’s account was included in Sanford Police Department reports released today.

Interviewed by cops about 90 minutes after the shooting, the witness--whose name was redacted from police documents--said that he was inside his home when he heard a “commotion coming from the walk way” behind his residence.

The man recalled seeing “a black male, wearing a dark colored ‘hoodie’ on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.” The black male, he added, “was mounted on the white or Hispanic male and throwing punches ‘MMA (mixed martial arts) style.'”

The witness--who was in his living room and about 30 feet away from the confrontation-- said he called out to the two men that he was dialing 911. “He then heard a ‘pop,’” police reported, and saw the black male “laid out on the grass.”

Zimmerman is pictured above in photos taken by police shortly after the February 26 shooting.

The police reports also include observations from two Sanford cops regarding Zimmerman’s physical appearance following the shooting. Officer Timothy Smith reported that Zimmerman was “bleeding from the nose and back of his head,” while Officer Jonathan Mead noted that he “appeared to have a broken and bloody nose and swelling of his face.”

Investigators also reported receiving medical reports from Altamonte Medical Practice “identifying the injuries sustained by Zimmerman on the evening of 2/26/2012.” The records indicated that he suffered an “open wound of scalp” and “Nasal bones, closed fracture.”

The only 2 TRUE facts of this case that are:

George is alive, martin is dead.

When the dust clears and the truth comes out you will all see this was a just a media game to drive a wedge into society by creating a race war.

Zimmerman claims he was at his SUV in the police report and Tray attacked him from behind on his left side, I know that's a lie because the Suv was on the outside of the cut through over 50 yards away and this witness just said "THEY WERE ON ALL GRASS!!!

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

Zimmerman claims he was at his SUV in the police report and Tray attacked him from behind on his left side, I know that's a lie because the Suv was on the outside of the cut through over 50 yards away and this witness just said "THEY WERE ON ALL GRASS!!!

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"Zimmerman claims he got out of his vehicle to find a house number to let police know where he saw the allegedly suspicious person, and while returning to his car was knocked down by a punch in the nose and attacked by Martin."

He said he was returning to. Not at.

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Originally Posted by AmyDaly

The man recalled seeing “a black male, wearing a dark colored ‘hoodie’ on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.””

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Well with the new evidence by the analysis said THAT WAS NOT ZIMMERMAN'S VOICE ON THAT AUDIO AND THE TAPE WAS 26DB clear to hear.

Two women one Caucasian and the other Hispanic said "IT WAS TRAYVON YELLING FOR HELP!!!

Trayvon's Mother and father said that was there son yelling not Zimmerman.

The witness you're talking about is probably "JOHN" who Zimmerman knocked on his door and when Zimmerman and Trayvon got into a scuffle the witness ran you can hear a door slam right before the gun shot, that's why the other witness said he heard two shots, it's evident that only one shot was fired and and a door was slammed. Now either that witness is taking up for Zimmerman or else...... He better not be lying because his ass could get in a lot of trouble.

So there you have it 4 against one, majority rule!!!

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Originally Posted by AmyDaly

"Zimmerman claims he got out of his vehicle to find a house number to let police know where he saw the allegedly suspicious person, and while returning to his car was knocked down by a punch in the nose and attacked by Martin."

He said he was returning to. Not at.

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You should know not to use "AT" at the end of a sentence LOL

Now ummmm can you show me a document or something where he said HE WAS RETURNING TO HIS SUV and not at his SUV? Thank you.

It still makes no sense that Trayvon would double back to fight some one he initially was afraid of, that's what his call to his girlfriend was about, that's why he ran a second time. Once to cover from the rain the 2nd from Zimmerman.

Amy did you hear that? not one but two voice experts along with two females and Trayvon's parents said it was not Zimmerman yelling for help when Zimmerman said it was him yelling for help. a couple of scratches don't let Zimmerman get off for murder. Hell I been in hella fights when I was young it bruised all that, but this dude Zimmerman walking into the police station don't seem hurt at all, the medical team even said his wounds were MINOR!!! Not as serious as Zimmerman tried to make it seem.

Zimmerman lied real good to cover his ass he knew that from the jump street.

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

You should know not to use "AT" at the end of a sentence LOL

Now ummmm can you show me a document or something where he said HE WAS RETURNING TO HIS SUV and not at his SUV? Thank you.

It still makes no sense that Trayvon would double back to fight some one he initially was afraid of, that's what his call to his girlfriend was about, that's why he ran a second time. Once to cover from the rain the 2nd from Zimmerman.

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My use of the word "at" at the end of my sentence was appropriate. The documentation is the police report in the section with the statement from Zimmerman. Read it.

And of course it makes no sense. He wants to cover from the rain, but doesn't mind walking to and back from the store in the rain. He is scared of zimmerman, but also decided to jump on top of him MMA style and beat his ass. His girlfriends story? Its her word against Zimmerman. There is more actual evidence backing up most of what Zimmerman has had to say. Especially after today.

I like how none of you people were there but seem to know so much.

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

Amy did you hear that? not one but two voice experts along with two females and Trayvon's parents said it was not Zimmerman yelling for help when Zimmerman said it was him yelling for help. a couple of scratches don't let Zimmerman get off for murder. Hell I been in hella fights when I was young it bruised all that, but this dude Zimmerman walking into the police station don't seem hurt at all, the medical team even said his wounds were MINOR!!! Not as serious as Zimmerman tried to make it seem.

Zimmerman lied real good to cover his ass he knew that from the jump street.

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Of course his parents are going to say that. I would of it was my kid. And they said it was too low quality to identify anyone. Fortunately there is more than one witness including one who witnessed the whole thing and said he was getting his ass beat MMA style and say he witnessed Zimmerman yelling for help in front of his apartment.

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Originally Posted by CORVETTEDUDE

I like how none of you people were there but seem to know so much.

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I wasn't in world war 2, but I learned a lot about it in high school. What is your point?

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

Well with the new evidence by the analysis said THAT WAS NOT ZIMMERMAN'S VOICE ON THAT AUDIO AND THE TAPE WAS 26DB clear to hear.

Two women one Caucasian and the other Hispanic said "IT WAS TRAYVON YELLING FOR HELP!!!

Trayvon's Mother and father said that was there son yelling not Zimmerman.

The witness you're talking about is probably "JOHN" who Zimmerman knocked on his door and when Zimmerman and Trayvon got into a scuffle the witness ran you can hear a door slam right before the gun shot, that's why the other witness said he heard two shots, it's evident that only one shot was fired and and a door was slammed. Now either that witness is taking up for Zimmerman or else...... He better not be lying because his ass could get in a lot of trouble.

So there you have it 4 against one, majority rule!!!

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None of the people you name saw it with their own eyes. They heard it and assumed. None of the analysts say it is Trayvon either. Zimmerman's parents claimed it was zimmerman as well. They aren't credible witnesses any more than Trayvon's parents.

It is also clear you didn't read the article or you selectively read it. The witness was interviewed about 90 minutes after it happened.