Amen brother. I spent a lot of years studying Buddhism, I got into it funnily enough after reading Jack Kerouac. Dharma Bums and all that. In fact at one point, I wanted to be a dharma bum when I grew up. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by El Nino
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Amen brother. I spent a lot of years studying Buddhism, I got into it funnily enough after reading Jack Kerouac. Dharma Bums and all that. In fact at one point, I wanted to be a dharma bum when I grew up. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by El Nino
Could you not have expressed yourself in this way earlier? Rather than attempt to make a joke about Jews learning how to gas people to death in the camps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Angel17TS
As Silvio said in "The Sopranos" when Artie's wife made a crack about the FBI - "Since when is that funny?"
And don't try to make this about me. That just won't wash. Those were your words earlier, not mine. The best anyone could say about your comment was that it was in appallingly bad taste. At worst, well ... let's not even go there, eh?
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Originally Posted by Angel17TS
Deep anal in picture 2? Definitely a threesome in picture 7. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by worldbro
Again I state, its ok to make any racist comments about Arabs, but heaven forbid any negativity towards Israel.
Do I believe the goal is extermination? Yes
Does this mean Im Anti Semetic? No
Simply means I disagree with the Politics of Israel.
Not at all. The wackos in the Islamic states don't command the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet, they don't have a military budget that exceeds every other nation on earth, they don't have a record of bombing the shit out of any nation that might pose a threat (the Orwellian nature of US foreign policy has certainly reached new heights these last 8 years). What's more, those who have occupied key positions in the Bush administration and the US congress are committed Christian Zionists who support Israel because they believe that an ethnically cleansed Jewish state is necessary for Armageddon to occur.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niccolo
I think this is the crux of our disagreement. I believe that religion is what people turn to when their aspirations for self-determination, democracy, and prosperity are crushed. Not just in Palestine, but all over the world. The older generation of (defeated) secular nationalists have utterly failed to stop Israeli settlements, effect checkpoints, curtail Israeli brutality, reduce the drastic and horrifying poverty of the occupied territories etc....Arafat and Fatah were seen as corrupt and innefective, and the one group that seemed to have an effect on things during the last intifada was Hamas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niccolo
This conflict does not exist in a vaccuum. Israel was not just peacefully going about its business while Palestinians were firing rockets. Israel had turned Gaza into the worlds largest prison camp, blocking food and water, shutting off power etc...all with the specific intent to rile up Hamas and create a pretext for invasion. Of course the media reports it as if that had nothing to do with it (because thats the purpose of propaganda, to garner support not educate) and the Palestinians are just angry religious wackos, but its far from the truth. How long do you think it would be before Manhattan started firing rockets at the boroughs if the State of New York decided to cut off all food, water, medicine, and power?
Whats more, throughout the occupation the deaths and maiming of Palestinian children and civiliians has vastly outnumbered those of Israelis, and if you or someone you knew took the time to spend some time in Ramallah or Gaza city you wouldn't wonder why younger generations are becoming increasingly fanatic. What else is there to do in such a brutally senseless existence?
I'm sorry, I just don't have the energy to keep up on this conversation, nor the heart. What's more, I believe there is a divide when it comes to knowledge of the situation that would take far too much work on my behalf to overcome, and I just don't see the point (after all guys come here to jack off, not make a better world).
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Originally Posted by Angel17TS
Keep your retarded comments to yourself. If Israel's goal was extermination, there would be a radioactive mushroom cloud over Gaza City. Israel is only hitting Hamas targets. In any war, there are civilian casualities. Hamas hides and launches their attacks from civilian locations. What do you expect to have happen? Hamas is the problem, not Israel. There is no genocide or extermination. You're just a fucking idiot.
[quote="Niccolo"]Frankly, I have been reading your posts and I think your commentary has been misinformed at best but more likely disingenuous. You seem to completely miss or choose to ignore the point that Israel's actions are completely appalling and unjustified. A campaign, that inflicts the amount of civilian casualties that this campaign has, is nothing but an arbitrary punitive measure against a people as a whole. In this regard the comparison of Israel's modern day actions and dare I say attitudes are most definitely comparable to those of the Holocaust and Nazis. The only difference is that the Palestinians don't have an effective voice to tell their story via movies and other popular media outlets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angel17TS
Moreover, your assertion that Palestinians, I would guess you extend that logic to all muslims as I have seen some rather uneducated remarks stereotyping muslims as a whole, are terrorists bent on the destruction of Jews is rather simplistic, untrue and in no way acknowledges the history of this conflict. Let's remember that the Palestinians are the indigenous peoples of Israel and Palestine. Before the Palestinians were displaced by force of arms, there were no mass conflicts between arabs and jews or muslims or jews. In fact the vast majority of Sephardic Jews were refugees from European persecution (such as the Inquisition, Dreyfus Affair, etc.) seeking safety among the same evil muslim peoples that you so easily lambast today.
Finally, the unpleasant reality is that the Israeli state, most western governments and pro-Israeli lobbyists resent the Palestinians because they do not go gentle into that good night. Who would if they were in the Palestinians' shoes?
Very impressive. You just lowered the level of discourse on this board to new depths, I did not think that was possible. Why don't you try reading a book or making a poignant comment as opposed to resorting to vulgar personal attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by kittyKaiti
Guess away! Or you could actually read what's been said. Your choice, of course.
So let me get this straight: you want to talk about the history behind this current situation, and you also want to say that up until 1948, Muslims (and arabs) were peaceloving folk, who didn't bother anybody?
Perhaps you believe the world would be a better place now if Islam had extended its rule into Europe? I don't. Should we not frame the current situation by looking back through history and considering ... well let's see .. The Battle of Tours (732), The Siege of Malta (1565), The Battle of Lepanto (1571), Vienna (1683) ... and right now, here at the beginning of the 21st Century ... Israel?Quote:
Funnily enough I'm currently reading Max Hastings' book "Nemesis" on the battle for Japan during WWII. The similarities between the Japanese and Islamists right throughout history are striking. (Death cults, suicidal warriors, beheading their enemies, indoctrination of children, thinking that the "materialist" West wouldn't stand up to them, dishing out absolutely appalling treatment of people who were not members of their little "group" - try reading Pierre Boulle then Giles Milton, one after the other - on and on it goes.)
We (mainly the Americans) kicked the living shit out of the Japanese, because that's what it took to end that conflict on top. Same with the many battles with Islamic forces throughout history, and there have been plenty of those by the way. The American forces used flamethrowers in the Pacific theatre, the Knights of St. John built great fiery hoops and threw them on top of advancing Janissaries. To give just one example. Using that kind of weapon is what it took to prevail against a fanatical, murderous, absolutely ruthless enemy. And I don't believe that things have changed that much in 60-odd years. Think of Malta in 1565 - a small island which stood up, alone, to the forces of Islam, which sought to destroy it, and to impose their ideology throughout Europe. We're all glad they did, too. Should we not be thinking of Israel in a similar way? Niccolo
Couldn't one turn around your final comment, and say that there are a lot of people (and let's be honest here, especially in the Muslim world) who resent Israel because they do not go gentle into that good night? That appears to be an unpleasant reality too.
But the Israelis are going nowhere.
I suggest you go back through this thread and comment on some of the vulgar personal attacks that were aimed at this poster earlier on. Put these comments in context. I'm surprised too that despite talking about vulgarity and the level of discourse (issues which apparently concern you) you have nothing to say about someone cracking jokes about Jews learning how to gas people when they were in the camps. Well, maybe I'm not that surprised .. apparently a lot of people think it's acceptable to make vulgar comments like that, so long as it's about, you know .. them ..Quote:
Originally Posted by zaron
Just try to criticise Islam though, by pointing out that in the Sahih Al-Bukhari hadith we are clearly told, by the Islamic holy texts themselves no less, that Muhammad married Aisha when she was six, and that he had sex with her when she was nine years old. Or try mentioning that Muhammad had the (Jewish) Beni Qoreiga tribe massacred in Medina, then "had" one of the Jewish widows (Reihana) before selling the rest of the women and children into slavery .. just try mentioning those events .. then point out that so far as devout Muslims are concerned, Muhammad is "the ideal man" .. then just watch what happens.