IMUS IMUS IMUS.........................

I will give you credit for one thing, 'tardboy.

In addition to your monumental stupidity, you are also amazingly ignorant!

Bravo, zippy!

Quinn, do you remember that epic post that J made regarding 'tardboy making wee-wee in his pants, and consequently being sent to his room?

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Imus is Gone, Snoop Dogg Remains: Are We Happy Now?
David Bromwich

Before the self-congratulation gets any more feverish, here is one splash of cold water on the destruction of Don Imus. There was a sodden moralism in the comments on this subject in the New York Times and elsewhere that bodes ill for discussion of less worked-up issues. Imus is a known quantity--a drawling wit, vulgar entertainer, holder forth and pretend-lowbrow, a misanthrope and churl who over many years adapted himself to the gutter medium of talk radio. He is also the only interviewer who ever put John Kerry at ease (the subject, once, was basketball). He had corrosive things to say about the Iraq war, and his references to the president were often in a class with his sprawl of words about the Rutgers team. A non-denominational hater and, like certain other misanthropes, fearless as well as feckless. Can anyone believe his replacement will be made of finer stuff?
The occasion was arbitrary, the penalty outsize, the author of the majority opinion that stern moralist, Al Sharpton. In concurring, Barack Obama spoke some politic but unconvincing words about the harm that patter like Imus' could do to the self-image of his daughters. A more constant menace to habits of respect throughout the culture is the self-contempt of the rap verbiage that Imus in his studio daze could not have copied more faithfully if he had been hired to do so. This is a slang any parent of a teenager can recognize has sunk deep roots in the insult arsenal of Americans of all colors. The absurdity of the notion that Imus picked up his language from Ku Kluxers and not from 50 Cent will eventually be noticed.

Another view of the matter has been expounded by a well-qualified judge:

"It's a completely different scenario. [Rappers] are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports. We're talking about hos that's in the 'hood that ain't doing shit, that's trying to get a nigga for his money. These are two separate things. First of all, we ain't no old-ass white men that sit up on MSNBC going hard on black girls. We are rappers that have these songs coming from our minds and our souls that are relevant to what we feel. I will not let them muthafuckas say we in the same league as him."

Snoop Dogg distinguishes the cases. Is that all right then? Imus is totally gone. Snoop Dogg is still with us. Are we happy now?

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Jackson and Sharpton are about Jackson and Sharpton, they just use the black community for there own personal gain. Jackson forgave Jimmy the Greek but the networks never did, Howard Cosell too was banished for good for saying look at the monkey go. If a white leader said it is in NIGGER TOWN or BEANER VILLE, they would never be heard from again unlike Jesse Jackson. If a white mayor smoked crack he would never work in politics again let alone become mayor again. There is a a double standard when it comes to what people say, if Jesse Jackson said CRACKER TOWN it would have never been anything but he picked on the Jews so he had to pay.

Oh I remember another Rev. Sharpton riot, when the Jewish guy hit the 2 black kids and the ambulance took the Jewish guy first, he lied and said the paramedics refused to treat the children, when they did and there was nothing they could do and another ambulance was there already. He got 4 Jewish people killed in the riots, 4 innocent people killed because they were jewish and he stood up for the rioters. That is why they do more harm then good.

The 60's are over, it is now 2007 no need to keep opening up those wounds.

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Says you. How can you possibly know what is in their heart or heads? What do you know about the black community? You're exactly the type of person I've depicted upstream, in that you come from a perspective that can't possibly understand or relate to what a minority goes through, or has been through in the past. In your mind it's 2007, so we've reached Utopia and anyone challenging the status quo MUST BE out for their own personal gain, right? Talk about detached and out of touch with reality?! Both Jackson and Sharpton are products of the '60s civil Rights era, with Jackson being present when King was assasinated or did you forget, and you think he's forgotten that and out for pure personal gain? That he sold out? That he likes having his past brought up and having his name ridiculed in thousands of forums such as this one or on TV and radio by his critics and detractors? I don't.

What are you are failing to see is that they, Jackson and Sharpton, are not in the positions of power that those they take on are. People in the power or privileged class are generally not looking for affirmation or acceptance, so a white leader isn't likely to proclaim "White Power". HE ALREADY HAS POWER. Those in power who have never been oppressed in one form or another aren't crying to be let into the club. They don't need to challenge the status quo -- they make the status quo. A double standard generally comes into play when both parties are ostensibly equal, and that just isn't the case yet. I'm not saying certainly that I always agree with their methods, but I do see the need for them.

Again, you want to give me the name of one white leader on the forefront of Civil Rights today, or someone out correcting the racist and sexist remarks of a Don Imus? C'mon, surely one like you who knows what a Jackson or Sharpton is all about can surely provide a name or model of behavior in mind.

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I have to take back something I said, you are a goldfish,
I might not know what is in there minds but you do? are you that naive? The Rev. Sharpton was a music promoter, the biggest crooks on the planet. And your view of a double standard is a double standard. If you have more then someone they should be able to play by different rules? DUMB ASS!! As for them not having power, are you crazy? They control the whole minority, that is a lot of power. The white leaders on civil rights? Clinton, both him and her, there are so many others, just because they are not preaching from soap boxes doesn't mean there not there.
UNREAL

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lol @ all the prejudice comments on minorities in this thread. People are coming out of the closet in this thread.

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You really find the true nature of people in threads such as this one,they might not even realize it.It's good you can have open dialogue but when you put more prejudice and justification into the mix it makes matters worse.

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That's the problem. A lot of people in this forum won't admit that they are prejudice bastards. It's too difficult for them to admit it so they rather use every other aspect (rap) as a scapegoat for their prejudice or racist reasoning.

Racism in this thread has come right out the wood work from alot of members. I won't name name's though.

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Don't get me wrong i think some lyrics and videos in hip hop disrespectful towards women and the community should be corrected but to put the blame on hip hip or the black community is ridiculous.

Sharpton and many others have protested rappers used of the n words for months but some how that slipped through the news media or people just don't give a damn.

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Quinn, do you remember that epic post that J made regarding 'tardboy making wee-wee in his pants, and consequently being sent to his room?

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Damn does that bring back memories. Watching J and Legend go at each other used to make me howl with laughter sometimes.

-Quinn

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Originally Posted by Unisex

That's the problem. A lot of people in this forum won't admit that they are prejudice bastards. It's too difficult for them to admit it so they rather use every other aspect (rap) as a scapegoat for their prejudice or racist reasoning.

Racism in this thread has come right out the wood work from alot of members. I won't name name's though.

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Unisex, you've always spoken your mind in a forthright manner. Why change that now? If you have something to say, would it not be better to speak frankly – as opposed to passive-aggressively making unsupported and vague implications. Just a thought.

-Quinn

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It is complex and you are correct change needs to happen on both sides of the fence.

I would venture to guess that if black america supported leaders that have actually earned respect transcending the color barrier such as Obama or Colin Powell.as opposed to the current usual suspects that pop up whenever they feel the time is right,then perhaps white america might actually pause to listen as opposed to automatically dismissing Jesse or Al's words as yet another example of playing the race card.

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Obama or Colin Powell really haven't done anything to gain support from black america because their political positions do nothing but advance themselves and breaking the color nowadays isn't quite as powerful as it used to be (jackie robinson)i doubt any African americans would consider sharpton and jackson as any kind of leader,now if you wanted to talk about earned respect and leadership material look at deceased dr. martin luther king he earned much respect from both white and black people because he believed everyone should get along and be looked at as equals to progress as a nation.

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True on MLK but sadly he isnt around.
If what you imply about Powell or Obama is correct then thats too bad as both men have proven that regardless of skin color they have suceeded in their fields of expertise and anyone who denies their credentials as intelligent leader candidates are biased.

White america would listen much closer to them then the Rev or Al.

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The main reason Powell & Obama made so much of them self is because they didn't use there race as a tool and just worked hard as good men, not black men or white men, just men

Ok- so I have to clarify a few things...
and I ask that you all read and take these things into account, with an open mind void of fear and any personal anger/feelings...(though this might be virtually impossible to do- it's not the easiest topic to talk about... )
Racism and racist ideologies involve one group having the POWER to carry out systematic discrimination through the major institutions of society, By this definition only white people can be racist in our society because HONESTLY, only white people as a group have the power of true control throughout the major institutions of our society. ( To those disbelievers reading this...I can definitely supply facts supporting my statement) Rappers and singers who spew racial epithets and slurs against one another through music or everyday interactions are simply products of a system/way of thinking that will forever run itself; Racist ideas no longer require planning or initiative by a person or a group as they have already been instituted into everyones thoughts and ideas and may be forever perpetuated by all of us. This is... unless groups in power who control the media, government, etc. will help stop this thinking ALONG WITH those who have fallen victim to it. (which would be everyone other than white people...)
Don Imus is but a scapegoat...he is not really even the true villain here. (Though what he said was for lack of better words- EXTREMELY FUCKED UP!!) Like Michael Richards, Imus' remarks will cause controversy for a few weeks and probably die down after a while... diverting attention from the fact that racist ideas have and continue to infiltrate just about every aspect of this society... television, websites(LOL), print and film, etc, etc.
Don't react immediately. Think about all that I have said...
and open your eyes.

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lol @ all the prejudice comments on minorities in this thread. People are coming out of the closet in this thread.

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You really find the true nature of people in threads such as this one,they might not even realize it.It's good you can have open dialogue but when you put more prejudice and justification into the mix it makes matters worse.

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That's the problem. A lot of people in this forum won't admit that they are prejudice bastards. It's too difficult for them to admit it so they rather use every other aspect (rap) as a scapegoat for their prejudice or racist reasoning.

Racism in this thread has come right out the wood work from alot of members. I won't name name's though.

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Now you're just being coy... :lol: