How many guys here would actually DATE a TS?

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Originally Posted by Icanthelpmyself

Their no problem dating TS I think it would be exciting everyone thinking I have a real woman on a date not knowing she's a TS. Plus their pleasure in the unknown. What I don't like is to be with a pro who's just there for the money not ofr the enjoyment of my company.

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Yeah, that's exactly what every woman wants-- to be a freak to gratify the sexual fetish of some guy. Please. If you want to get off on a fetish, explore your gay, sorry "alternative sexuality" side, get off on fooling your wee chums at the pub, sure, that can be arranged--for a price.

But if you want to love someone it's not about those things, it's about caring about what SHE wants and needs, not how YOU get off. That is the deal--you put HER needs and feelings first, and she reciprocates. (You hope.)

That is why, in their real, personal lives, so many transsexual women mistrust men who are "into trannies." They are women who would just like to be accepted and made to feel wanted AS WOMEN, not as freak-show entertainments or sex objects.

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Originally Posted by samstl99

Alyssa.. that is sad that your post is probably correct. But there are a few of that believe that if you like a girl then why does it matter what is between her legs. ANY guy that is infatuated with a girl because she has a cock, is either a JOHN, or actually gay.

For me, I have a close friend that is on here that I would date in a heartbeat if we were in the same city. She is the sweetest person I know and beautiful inside and out.. and personally I could care less what is between her legs. If she gets SRS, I will love her just the same.

Now conversely there are some girls here that are just about the $$ and those girls and those guys match up just fine. They fill each others needs.

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Word.

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Originally Posted by valsoldese1

here is my dream woman...

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I take it you are just blown away by her lovely dark eyes? Or what?

Why is my cock-hound radar going flippy-floppy? Sheesh.

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Originally Posted by BiGuy4TS

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Originally Posted by alyssats

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Originally Posted by phobun

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Originally Posted by HUNGTOP552

I really dont see what the big deal is about dating a TS. Your either a cool person or your a dick.

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Some people are more interested in the dick than the cool person.

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I think most guys just care about the cock and not really how beautiful the TS is :shock:

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Beauty and sexiness are definitely important too.

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wow nice to hear that

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Originally Posted by samstl99

Alyssa.. that is sad that your post is probably correct. But there are a few of that believe that if you like a girl then why does it matter what is between her legs. ANY guy that is infatuated with a girl because she has a cock, is either a JOHN, or actually gay.

For me, I have a close friend that is on here that I would date in a heartbeat if we were in the same city. She is the sweetest person I know and beautiful inside and out.. and personally I could care less what is between her legs. If she gets SRS, I will love her just the same.

Now conversely there are some girls here that are just about the $$ and those girls and those guys match up just fine. They fill each others needs.

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Thanks for the input samstl99, im not saying all guys just like the cock from TS but Ive noticed most of them. Yes youve got my point just example if a TS undergo SRS most guys become very unsupportive and seems they dont like her already. And nice to hear there are still some guys there who appreciate the TS beauty overall package(inside and outside beauty) than just her cock jeje

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Originally Posted by alyssats

if a TS undergo SRS most guys become very unsupportive and seems they dont like her already.

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Unfortunately that's all too common. I have seen some really crass, downright offensive things written here and elsewhere about girls who complete their transitions, and it must really hurt.

I just think that if you like someone, whether you've had sex with her or not, or even fantasised about it, you should want for that person whatever she wants; I fail to see how a woman after SRS is any less a woman. I think men who diss girls for getting the SRS they have worked so hard to achieve are about as low as it gets.

FWIW I think there are some men who see transsexual women as an unusual and very interesting type of woman, and there are some (many) men who see transsexual women as a freaky, sexually attractive yet unthreatening type of man, with whom they can indulge their homosexuality without having to admit that that is what it actually is. They'll deny it of course, but then, why else would they be upset when a girl has her manhood changed into a womanhood?
:shrug QED, really.

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Originally Posted by MacShreach

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Originally Posted by alyssats

if a TS undergo SRS most guys become very unsupportive and seems they dont like her already.

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Unfortunately that's all too common. I have seen some really crass, downright offensive things written here and elsewhere about girls who complete their transitions, and it must really hurt.

I just think that if you like someone, whether you've had sex with her or not, or even fantasised about it, you should want for that person whatever she wants; I fail to see how a woman after SRS is any less a woman. I think men who diss girls for getting the SRS they have worked so hard to achieve are about as low as it gets.

FWIW I think there are some men who see transsexual women as an unusual and very interesting type of woman, and there are some (many) men who see transsexual women as a freaky, sexually attractive yet unthreatening type of man, with whom they can indulge their homosexuality without having to admit that that is what it actually is. They'll deny it of course, but then, why else would they be upset when a girl has her manhood changed into a womanhood?
:shrug QED, really.

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My sentiments exactly! Well said.

While I think it's unfortunate that there are a lot of men who will spurn a girl after SRS, it seems to me that saying that those men are engaging in a "safe" form of homosexuality is possibly an over-simplification of the issue (with exceptions of course).

It seems to me that fetishizing a dual gender entity, or third gender entity, has been going on a lot longer and in much deeper ways than what we see here on the boards. Mankind has been obsessed with hermaphroditic deities since time untold, and not just icons or fetishes with both genetalia, but most commonly with a TG style of imagery involved. Even the greek god Hermpahroditus didn't have both sexual organs, but a feminine appearance and male genetalia. Let alone the countless other societies that have similar gods, and the appropriate fetishes and icons to represent them.
I don't really mean to argue the point that there are a lot of guys who are just after tgirl cock--and those people probably would not actually date a TS with the intent of marrying and loving that person, but I do kind of take exception to the idea that just because someone finds a mixed gender person attractive, does not necessarily make them a closeted homo who doesn't have the balls to live their life out in the open. These sort of cross-gender, intergender, third gender issues have been bubbling around in the collective unconscious forever, even in cultures where homosexuality didn't carry the stigma it does in our modern culture. I think it's more complex than "oh, you're gay but don't know it."

my two cents.

If I am attracted to her then it isn't even a question.. Of course I would. I don't care if she's had SRS or not. In fact, in a way, I don't like that because that is pretty radical surgery AND you can be a chick and have a dick. I'm more drawn/attracted to women (and TS) with big breasts so that's a surgery type thing but my point remains the same--If I'm attracted to her then I'd date her no questions asked, no matter if she was born with a vagine-gine or a yoohoo.

On the assumption that you are responding to me,

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Originally Posted by raiku9909

It seems to me that fetishizing a dual gender entity, or third gender entity, has been going on a lot longer and in much deeper ways than what we see here on the boards. Mankind has been obsessed with hermaphroditic deities since time untold, and not just icons or fetishes with both genetalia, but most commonly with a TG style of imagery involved. Even the greek god Hermpahroditus didn't have both sexual organs, but a feminine appearance and male genetalia. Let alone the countless other societies that have similar gods, and the appropriate fetishes and icons to represent them.

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Various forms of transgenderism have been documented all over the world, for thousands of years, including ancient Greece but also India and the Americas; recent research has shown that travestis were revered in Peruvian culture 450 years ago and therefore the tradition certainly must extend into the pre-Columbian era. Frankly it would surprise me if this were not the case; polytheistic cultures often exhibit a range of belief and cultural practise that the strict dualism imposed by Abrahamic religion completely forbids.

This observation, however, in no way sheds any light whatsoever on the reasons why men are interested in the phenomenon, it just confirms that it has been going on for a long time.

As for the reasons themselves, well, there are clearly, straight (well, pretty much) varying degrees of bisexual and both closeted and openly gay men who are attracted to transgender women, and the women to whom they are attracted range from cross-dressing men "en femme" (eg Lexx Parker/Kayla Coxx,) to post-operative transsexual women. This whole phenomenon is very complex, so it would be odd indeed if the male element were not also so.

You are fairly new here, you may not have read into the posting history of the members, and I have to say the atmosphere here is far better than it has been at times in the past--as was demonstrated when it was announced recently that Sabrina de Paulo had undergone SRS and most of the comments were very positive.

Nevertheless, a thorough look around the other threads going on right now should leave you in no doubt whatsoever that there are men here who definitely do use transsexual women to fuel their homosexual fantasies and fetishes, and these are the very same men who make the most fuss and say the most hurtful things when a woman gets her SRS, or even suggests that she might. These are gay men, whatever they may call themselves. It really is QED.

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I think it's more complex than "oh, you're gay but don't know it."

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Oh, they do know it, actually. The reason it matters is not because there is something wrong with being gay--there most certainly is NOT--but because some of the gay men we are talking about put the gratification of their own fetish above a woman's need to be who she really is, and worse, they are prepared to use what power they have to that end.

Transsexual women have enough to deal with, without the added burden of a bunch of closeted homosexual men giving them flak for being what they actually are--women.