Was the landing on the moon a fake?

nope

Pretty clever reply by Trish, but I suppose the Apollo telemetry data could be faked (generated by computer) from the known sciences. But I don't think anything was faked. I think it would be difficult to hide a conspiracy in such a large organization as NASA, so any information about that would have leaked out via a large number of reliable sources, more credible than those claiming a fake moon landing.

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Originally Posted by trish

Certainly a lot of science can be done by unmanned missions. Indeed I prefer we slow down on the plans for manned missions to the Moon and Mars and milk more from robotic missions. But that is not the issue here. You asked how can we confirm the legitimacy of the mission from the data of the mission provided by NASA. The above post is a reply to that question. I’m not suggesting the data from Apollo 11 is necessary for understanding the laws of celestial mechanics, the geology or geography of the Moon, but the reverse. What we know now of those sciences can reveal inconsistencies in the Apollo 11 data if there are any. So far none have been found.

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So on the flip side, you also agree that we would still have all that information if the various Apollo's never made a manned tripped. Not to mention various forms of raw video (pre-scanned and before reproduction) exists of all of the Apollo missions with the exception of the manned mission. In addition, the blueprints and schematics of the machines and designs used on the Manned Apollo do not exist. They have been conveniently misplaced.

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Originally Posted by MrF

Pretty clever reply by Trish, but I suppose the Apollo telemetry data could be faked (generated by computer) from the known sciences. But I don't think anything was faked. I think it would be difficult to hide a conspiracy in such a large organization as NASA, so any information about that would have leaked out via a large number of reliable sources, more credible than those claiming a fake moon landing.

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I agree, that's why Im not completely sold that it is a hoax. However since the reproduced telemetry data that Houston received was retrieved from Australia, after receiving the original data from the Apollo, than you could minimize the amount of people that would have to be involved in the conspiracy. I do agree that someone in on the conspiracy would have come forth by now if it was indeed a hoax.

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So on the flip side, you also agree that we would still have all that information if the various Apollo's never made a manned tripped.

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In the case of the telemetry data, no. Telemetry is the data collected from observations around the world by independent sources of the flight path of the mission. If Apollo 11 never made the trip, this data would have to be invented and the independent observers would have to vouch for the invention, the conspirators would have to also include those who observed from behind the iron curtain. The data would have to comply with the known laws of celestial mechanics.

In the case of raw video footage of the landing sight the answer is also no. We would have no detailed knowledge of that. Though our knowledge of the sight, had Apollo never been there, would improve with the passing of time. Indeed our knowledge independent of the Apollo 11 footage remains consistent with the footage with the passage of time.

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In addition, the blueprints and schematics of the machines and designs used on the Manned Apollo do not exist. They have been conveniently misplaced.

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I haven’t confirmed this story, but if you’re truly impartial, as you claim you are, shouldn’t you delete the word “conveniently”. If the story’s true, I’m sure there are plenty of people at NASA who think the plans have been inconveniently misplaced.

We have original telemetry data from all of the Apollo missions before reproduction, with the exception of the manned mission. With the manned mission, we only have the reproduced version, which could have been produced in Australia where the scnned versions originated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_...ax_accusations (not a big wikepedia fan, but alot of this information is scattered)



There is no raw unedited footage of the space walk.



Point taken, "conveniently" meaning that the availability this information would dissolve any possible hoax theories. So I agree that if this were not a hoax, it would be inconvenient for NASA

Okay, you got me. It seems NASA lost not only the original telemetry tapes for Apollo 11, but data itself (i.e. they lost or never made backups)!

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...1972013191.pdf
(page 17)

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/ap...llo_tapes.html

Un-fucking-believable.

But at least I demonstrated that the data would be useful in verifying the flight actually took place, had we access to the data!

There must be partial data sets out there collected and archived by those who relayed the telemetry to NASA. Then again, it was an analog age and backup was expensive and time consuming. I’ll try to check.

Still the laser echo experiments do confirm that the mirrors were placed in their specific orientation at the specified time and coordinates on the lunar surface.

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Originally Posted by trish

Okay, you got me. It seems NASA lost not only the original telemetry tapes for Apollo 11, but data itself (i.e. they lost or never made backups)!

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...1972013191.pdf
(page 17)

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/ap...llo_tapes.html

Un-fucking-believable.

But at least I demonstrated that the data would be useful in verifying the flight actually took place, had we access to the data!

There must be partial data sets out there collected and archived by those who relayed the telemetry to NASA. Then again, it was an analog age and backup was expensive and time consuming. I’ll try to check.

Still the laser echo experiments do confirm that the mirrors were placed in their specific orientation at the specified time and coordinates on the lunar surface.

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Yea, but the only reason im not ready to give my one hundred percent agreement with conspiracy, is because back up data was not viewed as important as it is now, i mean even the back up data they do have was on reels, and vhs tapes. That would be back up blasphemy in 2009

Well that's not the only reason against conspiracy. E.g. you have yet to refute the laser echo experiments.

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Originally Posted by KellyShore

oh lord and the many people that watched the rocket go straight out of orbit were all paid too, to lie lol

conspiracy theories are so silly sometimes.

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Did you ever ask yourself why the flag is floating and blowing around when there is no air on the moon? yeah think about that

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Jesus, not again! This fairy-tale has already been dealt with at least once in this thread. Probably better to do some reading before you shoot your mouth off. And yeah I did think about it--you didn't come off well.

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