An outsider watching the US health care debate

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Originally Posted by raybbaby

It should make your blood run cold that an idea at least 70% of Americans support cannot make any headway.

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There is a difference between an idea and a plan, Ray.

Beyond that, I'd like to see a link to the study/survey that indicates 70% support.

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Originally Posted by yosi

the FACTS in some other countries that do have government-run health program show otherwise , healthcare is NOT more expensive.

healthcare is not important for healthy poeple who think health problems will never happen to them personaly , some of them might be proven wrong. the very hard way.

I was one of those who never got sick until out of the blue , I was notified that I had a cancer , with 3 more months to live............

if my country ( I am not an American ) didn't have government-run healthcare program , I won't be sitting here writing these words.

as simple as that 8)

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I'm sorry to hear of your illness, yosi.

However, I have a friend here in the US who was diagnosed with cancer just a little over two years ago. He was out of work, with no insurance and about to lose his apartment. He was operated on and currently receives health care benefits and treatment from governmental sources. He was declared disabled and is on Social Security disability. He was able to keep his apartment.

So you can see that, in America, the exact same outcome can result.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

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Originally Posted by Beagle

Jay,

So is Obama a war criminal too?

He hasn't brought home the troops.

He supports the Bush Patriot Act.

If you're honest you would have to agree that the level of hatred and Hitler comparison were SO much more open and prevalent against Bush than Obama.

And I'm not condoning either one. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.

Look, this health care debate has nothing to do with this Hitler nonsense.

It's about the vast majority of Americans who DO NOT want the government in the health care business. Plain and simple.

No matter how you slice and dice it, it is that simple. The Democrats in this country hold all the strings. They could have voted this thing in months ago if they wanted to. Why havent they?

Because in a massive grass roots effort, the voters of all these Democratic congressmen and Senators have wrote them and told them in no uncertain terms that they DON'T WANT any more government health care debacles.

It's very simple. The people have spoken.

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But 8 months into his 1st term as POTUS, who was protesting against Bush and comparing him to Hitler??

It's the relative instantaneous rebuke of Obama, for a President who has very little track record so far to criticize, that's hypocrital.

Right wingers are mobilizing against Obama as if he's in the third year of his 3nd term, not less than a year into his first term.

Bush 'earned' that level of animus from the American people, Obama so far has not.

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I ask you what President Bush had done at this point in his first term. The answer is very little. President Obama has done quite a bit and is trying to do more. If Bush had pushed as many programs in his first days in office as Obama has, there would have been a similar backlash. As it was, there were already people who wouldn't cut him any slack because of Florida 2000.

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Originally Posted by duplicatt

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Originally Posted by jaycanuck

He's attempting to shut down Guantanamo, he's relocating troops to Afghanistan (where they should've been in the first place looking for Osama).

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Why? If Osama is even alive (have we seen any video of Osama? we know one of his sons sounds just like him), he's in Pakistan. Should we invade our putative ally Pakistan willy-nilly?

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Why's the US in Iraq then?

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I live in DC, and if the protesters numbered in excess of a million

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Bullshit and if you live in DC and have seen other marches you know it's bullshit. The most reliable sources put the numbers at 70 thousand tops. Other networks (besides Fox) did indeed cover the march and they gave it amount of coverage it deserved. Hey, I bet you have a big dick too.

Did you read my post, Trish??

I never said I thought the numbers were approaching a million protesters.

But I would not be surprised if the actual number was north of 70,000 because of the unusual way in which the protesters gathered.
They weren't lined up vertically along the Mall, the tea-baggers were fanned out horizontally in front of the Capitol. I've never seen that before.

I put the top end number possibly around 250,000.

If you click the C-SPAN link I posted and watch the first few seconds where they pan across the crowd, you'll see what I mean.

Also, the DC Park Service is notorious for underestimating actual crowd sizes. Take a look at the photos from the Million Man March, DCPS said there were about 500,000 people there, and yet that demonstration had spillover all the way to the Washington Monument which would have made it much closer to 800,000 to a million attendees.

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Originally Posted by duplicatt

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

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Originally Posted by Beagle

Jay,

So is Obama a war criminal too?

He hasn't brought home the troops.

He supports the Bush Patriot Act.

If you're honest you would have to agree that the level of hatred and Hitler comparison were SO much more open and prevalent against Bush than Obama.

And I'm not condoning either one. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.

Look, this health care debate has nothing to do with this Hitler nonsense.

It's about the vast majority of Americans who DO NOT want the government in the health care business. Plain and simple.

No matter how you slice and dice it, it is that simple. The Democrats in this country hold all the strings. They could have voted this thing in months ago if they wanted to. Why havent they?

Because in a massive grass roots effort, the voters of all these Democratic congressmen and Senators have wrote them and told them in no uncertain terms that they DON'T WANT any more government health care debacles.

It's very simple. The people have spoken.

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But 8 months into his 1st term as POTUS, who was protesting against Bush and comparing him to Hitler??

It's the relative instantaneous rebuke of Obama, for a President who has very little track record so far to criticize, that's hypocrital.

Right wingers are mobilizing against Obama as if he's in the third year of his 3nd term, not less than a year into his first term.

Bush 'earned' that level of animus from the American people, Obama so far has not.

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I ask you what President Bush had done at this point in his first term. The answer is very little. President Obama has done quite a bit and is trying to do more. If Bush had pushed as many programs in his first days in office as Obama has, there would have been a similar backlash. As it was, there were already people who wouldn't cut him any slack because of Florida 2000.

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Right. Obama should damn near be impeached for saving the global economy from collapse, sending out a life preserver to the U.S. auto industry and attempting to reform the outrageous failure of the private heath care industry.

Obama is a very BAD MAN. :roll:

You conservatives are permanently out lunch!!!

My bad :oops:

I hope you and your dick accept my apology.

Still luv ya anyway, Trish!!

No apology necessary.

Obviously, I need to give this infuriating topic a rest. Thanks for being a good sport.