Occupy Wall Street protest

Are the occupyers gonna occupy a place in line at the stores for Black Friday like the rest of us planning on occupying our carts with all those great bargains while having stomachs still occupied with turkey and dressing?

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Originally Posted by Dino Velvet

Are the occupyers gonna occupy a place in line at the stores for Black Friday like the rest of us planning on occupying our carts with all those great bargains while having stomachs still occupied with turkey and dressing?

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Or: Occupy the Hi-Way.... Or what about occupying Ashley George's ass -- ha ha ha! :)

Hartmann: Occupy the Highway - YouTube

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Originally Posted by Ben

Or: Occupy the Hi-Way.... Or what about occupying Ashley George's ass -- ha ha ha! :)

Hartmann: Occupy the Highway - YouTube

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Thanks Ben for that. You know how pathetically weak I am for Ashley.

Happy Thanksgiving, buddy! :cheers:

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

I'm not entirely sure of the Constitutionally of it, but it's highly unlikely. Members of Congress do switch political parties on occasion, which to me is a odd. If you're going to switch parties because of ideological concerns, do it prior to the election. What you're suggesting sounds more like a non violent coup. There has always from time to time been a moderately successful 3rd party presidential contender, Ross Perot being the latest, but here's the problem. Independents tend to be "moderate" and squishy and lack the ideological conviction that most voters look for. And the mechanisms ( money) always flows to the 2 parties and an independent or 3rd party candidate will never be able to mount a serious threat without that. Obama will raise a billion dollars for his 2012 run and it's largely about the money. The US can be governed by the current 2 party political system because that framework has allowed it to be the greatest experiment of individual freedoms and force for good the world has seen....but what's lacking is leaders. People follow leaders....not vice versa. Southern Democrats set their party affiliation aside and voted for Reagan twice, moderate Republicans liked Clinton's move to the middle and voted for him twice, but those individuals were skilled politicians and the understood and read the electorate. The current occupant does not possess those skills, and has not been able to transition from campaigning to actually governing a country as diverse as the US. So while the 2 party system presents huge monetary and ideological challenges, it can and has been managed.

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Thanks for this, but perhaps another reason is that there are some people who don't see a huge differencebe between the two main parties; as in the UK after the Cold War, it seems to appear on policy issues rather than overall ideology, although I don't know if many parties have a coherent ideology these days. Looks like your stuck with it anyway.

For anyone who is interested in Frank Miller's savage attack on the OWS protestors, there is an over-the-top anti-Miller diatribe in today's Guardian, and someone posted a link to a blog by Brin that comprehensively trashes the pseudo-history behind 300 -apart from Sin City the film I don't know who Miller is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/20...lywood-fascism

http://davidbrin.wordpress.com/2011/...than-spartans/

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Originally Posted by Stavros

Thanks for this, but perhaps another reason is that there are some people who don't see a huge differencebe between the two main parties; as in the UK after the Cold War, it seems to appear on policy issues rather than overall ideology, although I don't know if many parties have a coherent ideology these days. Looks like your stuck with it anyway.

For anyone who is interested in Frank Miller's savage attack on the OWS protestors, there is an over-the-top anti-Miller diatribe in today's Guardian, and someone posted a link to a blog by Brin that comprehensively trashes the pseudo-history behind 300 -apart from Sin City the film I don't know who Miller is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/20...lywood-fascism

http://davidbrin.wordpress.com/2011/...than-spartans/

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I hear that all the time ( no difference between the political parties) and I don't buy it for a second. While I concede that both parties ultimately act in their own self interest and preservation, and their mothers milk is money.....big money....if there were no differences in political parties we wouldn't have the gridlock we current have with the super committee or the debt commission. or the stalemate on illegal immigration, or Obama care or the debt ceiling or taxes or abortion or how and what to cut from the budget. There's a huge difference. As you well know....this is not a parliamentary system, and most folks like divided government.....when it works. lol I think it's accurate to say there's ultimately not a huge difference in politicians, they're by in large all whores selling themselves, but there certainly is a difference in philosophy, and that's what elections are about...choosing sides.

With respect to Mr. Miller........I need more time to contemplate his writings, but it might be no more complex than this.....I have a good friend working on the Batman set ( and others) in the Wall Street area where scenes are currently being filmed. The delays by the unruly and unpredictable protestors have cost millions in lost time and wages and production over runs. Shooting was halted for weeks, and at one point both the set crews and the actors begged NYFD to turn the hoses on the Woodstock like encampment and wash it all away! Perhaps Mr. Miller's rant is more about money that philosophy?

I think you are right, onmyknees, and the explanation for the splenetic outburst of Senor Miller also sounds right; he doesn't have to be absolutely accurate in 300 anyway, creative writing should have license.

The Shocking Truth About the Crackdown on Occupy

The violent police assaults across the US are no coincidence. Occupy has touched the third rail of our political class's venality

by Naomi Wolf

US citizens of all political persuasions are still reeling from images of unparallelled police brutality in a coordinated crackdown against peaceful OWS protesters in cities across the nation this past week. An elderly woman was pepper-sprayed in the face; the scene of unresisting, supine students at UC Davis being pepper-sprayed by phalanxes of riot police went viral online; images proliferated of young women – targeted seemingly for their gender – screaming, dragged by the hair by police in riot gear; and the pictures of a young man, stunned and bleeding profusely from the head, emerged in the record of the middle-of-the-night clearing of Zuccotti Park.
But just when Americans thought we had the picture – was this crazy police and mayoral overkill, on a municipal level, in many different cities? – the picture darkened. The National Union of Journalists and the Committee to Protect Journalists issued a Freedom of Information Act request to investigate possible federal involvement with law enforcement practices that appeared to target journalists. The New York Times reported that "New York cops have arrested, punched, whacked, shoved to the ground and tossed a barrier at reporters and photographers" covering protests. Reporters were asked by NYPD to raise their hands to prove they had credentials: when many dutifully did so, they were taken, upon threat of arrest, away from the story they were covering, and penned far from the site in which the news was unfolding. Other reporters wearing press passes were arrested and roughed up by cops, after being – falsely – informed by police that "It is illegal to take pictures on the sidewalk."
In New York, a state supreme court justice and a New York City council member were beaten up; in Berkeley, California, one of our greatest national poets, Robert Hass, was beaten with batons. The picture darkened still further when Wonkette and Washingtonsblog.com reported that the Mayor of Oakland acknowledged that the Department of Homeland Security had participated in an 18-city mayor conference call advising mayors on "how to suppress" Occupy protests.
To Europeans, the enormity of this breach may not be obvious at first. Our system of government prohibits the creation of a federalized police force, and forbids federal or militarized involvement in municipal peacekeeping.
I noticed that right-wing pundits and politicians on the TV shows on which I was appearing were all on-message against OWS. Journalist Chris Hayes reported on a leaked memo that revealed lobbyists vying for an $850,000 contract to smear Occupy. Message coordination of this kind is impossible without a full-court press at the top. This was clearly not simply a case of a freaked-out mayors', city-by-city municipal overreaction against mess in the parks and cranky campers. As the puzzle pieces fit together, they began to show coordination against OWS at the highest national levels.
Why this massive mobilization against these not-yet-fully-articulated, unarmed, inchoate people? After all, protesters against the war in Iraq, Tea Party rallies and others have all proceeded without this coordinated crackdown. Is it really the camping? As I write, two hundred young people, with sleeping bags, suitcases and even folding chairs, are still camping out all night and day outside of NBC on public sidewalks – under the benevolent eye of an NYPD cop – awaiting Saturday Night Live tickets, so surely the camping is not the issue. I was still deeply puzzled as to why OWS, this hapless, hopeful band, would call out a violent federal response.
That is, until I found out what it was that OWS actually wanted.
The mainstream media was declaring continually "OWS has no message". Frustrated, I simply asked them. I began soliciting online "What is it you want?" answers from Occupy. In the first 15 minutes, I received 100 answers. These were truly eye-opening.
The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process. No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act – the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.
No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.
When I saw this list – and especially the last agenda item – the scales fell from my eyes. Of course, these unarmed people would be having the shit kicked out of them.
For the terrible insight to take away from news that the Department of Homeland Security coordinated a violent crackdown is that the DHS does not freelance. The DHS cannot say, on its own initiative, "we are going after these scruffy hippies". Rather, DHS is answerable up a chain of command: first, to New York Representative Peter King, head of the House homeland security subcommittee, who naturally is influenced by his fellow congressmen and women's wishes and interests. And the DHS answers directly, above King, to the president (who was conveniently in Australia at the time).
In other words, for the DHS to be on a call with mayors, the logic of its chain of command and accountability implies that congressional overseers, with the blessing of the White House, told the DHS to authorize mayors to order their police forces – pumped up with millions of dollars of hardware and training from the DHS – to make war on peaceful citizens.
But wait: why on earth would Congress advise violent militarized reactions against its own peaceful constituents? The answer is straightforward: in recent years, members of Congress have started entering the system as members of the middle class (or upper middle class) – but they are leaving DC privy to vast personal wealth, as we see from the "scandal" of presidential contender Newt Gingrich's having been paid $1.8m for a few hours' "consulting" to special interests. The inflated fees to lawmakers who turn lobbyists are common knowledge, but the notion that congressmen and women are legislating their own companies' profitsis less widely known – and if the books were to be opened, they would surely reveal corruption on a Wall Street spectrum. Indeed, we do already know that congresspeople are massively profiting from trading on non-public information they have on companies about which they are legislating – a form of insider trading that sent Martha Stewart to jail.
Since Occupy is heavily surveilled and infiltrated, it is likely that the DHS and police informers are aware, before Occupy itself is, what its emerging agenda is going to look like. If legislating away lobbyists' privileges to earn boundless fees once they are close to the legislative process, reforming the banks so they can't suck money out of fake derivatives products, and, most critically, opening the books on a system that allowed members of Congress to profit personally – and immensely – from their own legislation, are two beats away from the grasp of an electorally organized Occupy movement … well, you will call out the troops on stopping that advance.
So, when you connect the dots, properly understood, what happened this week is the first battle in a civil war; a civil war in which, for now, only one side is choosing violence. It is a battle in which members of Congress, with the collusion of the American president, sent violent, organized suppression against the people they are supposed to represent. Occupy has touched the third rail: personal congressional profits streams. Even though they are, as yet, unaware of what the implications of their movement are, those threatened by the stirrings of their dreams of reform are not.
Sadly, Americans this week have come one step closer to being true brothers and sisters of the protesters in Tahrir Square. Like them, our own national leaders, who likely see their own personal wealth under threat from transparency and reform, are now making war upon us.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...p-top-20111122

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?...eature=relatedWall St. has to worry about these guys showing up. Everybody is hurting in this economy.

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The Shocking Truth About the Crackdown on Occupy

The violent police assaults across the US are no coincidence. Occupy has touched the third rail of our political class's venality

by Naomi Wolf

US citizens of all political persuasions are still reeling from images of unparallelled police brutality in a coordinated crackdown against peaceful OWS protesters in cities across the nation this past week. An elderly woman was pepper-sprayed in the face; the scene of unresisting, supine students at UC Davis being pepper-sprayed by phalanxes of riot police went viral online; images proliferated of young women – targeted seemingly for their gender – screaming, dragged by the hair by police in riot gear; and the pictures of a young man, stunned and bleeding profusely from the head, emerged in the record of the middle-of-the-night clearing of Zuccotti Park.
But just when Americans thought we had the picture – was this crazy police and mayoral overkill, on a municipal level, in many different cities? – the picture darkened. The National Union of Journalists and the Committee to Protect Journalists issued a Freedom of Information Act request to investigate possible federal involvement with law enforcement practices that appeared to target journalists. The New York Times reported that "New York cops have arrested, punched, whacked, shoved to the ground and tossed a barrier at reporters and photographers" covering protests. Reporters were asked by NYPD to raise their hands to prove they had credentials: when many dutifully did so, they were taken, upon threat of arrest, away from the story they were covering, and penned far from the site in which the news was unfolding. Other reporters wearing press passes were arrested and roughed up by cops, after being – falsely – informed by police that "It is illegal to take pictures on the sidewalk."
In New York, a state supreme court justice and a New York City council member were beaten up; in Berkeley, California, one of our greatest national poets, Robert Hass, was beaten with batons. The picture darkened still further when Wonkette and Washingtonsblog.com reported that the Mayor of Oakland acknowledged that the Department of Homeland Security had participated in an 18-city mayor conference call advising mayors on "how to suppress" Occupy protests.
To Europeans, the enormity of this breach may not be obvious at first. Our system of government prohibits the creation of a federalized police force, and forbids federal or militarized involvement in municipal peacekeeping.
I noticed that right-wing pundits and politicians on the TV shows on which I was appearing were all on-message against OWS. Journalist Chris Hayes reported on a leaked memo that revealed lobbyists vying for an $850,000 contract to smear Occupy. Message coordination of this kind is impossible without a full-court press at the top. This was clearly not simply a case of a freaked-out mayors', city-by-city municipal overreaction against mess in the parks and cranky campers. As the puzzle pieces fit together, they began to show coordination against OWS at the highest national levels.
Why this massive mobilization against these not-yet-fully-articulated, unarmed, inchoate people? After all, protesters against the war in Iraq, Tea Party rallies and others have all proceeded without this coordinated crackdown. Is it really the camping? As I write, two hundred young people, with sleeping bags, suitcases and even folding chairs, are still camping out all night and day outside of NBC on public sidewalks – under the benevolent eye of an NYPD cop – awaiting Saturday Night Live tickets, so surely the camping is not the issue. I was still deeply puzzled as to why OWS, this hapless, hopeful band, would call out a violent federal response.
That is, until I found out what it was that OWS actually wanted.
The mainstream media was declaring continually "OWS has no message". Frustrated, I simply asked them. I began soliciting online "What is it you want?" answers from Occupy. In the first 15 minutes, I received 100 answers. These were truly eye-opening.
The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process. No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act – the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.
No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.
When I saw this list – and especially the last agenda item – the scales fell from my eyes. Of course, these unarmed people would be having the shit kicked out of them.
For the terrible insight to take away from news that the Department of Homeland Security coordinated a violent crackdown is that the DHS does not freelance. The DHS cannot say, on its own initiative, "we are going after these scruffy hippies". Rather, DHS is answerable up a chain of command: first, to New York Representative Peter King, head of the House homeland security subcommittee, who naturally is influenced by his fellow congressmen and women's wishes and interests. And the DHS answers directly, above King, to the president (who was conveniently in Australia at the time).
In other words, for the DHS to be on a call with mayors, the logic of its chain of command and accountability implies that congressional overseers, with the blessing of the White House, told the DHS to authorize mayors to order their police forces – pumped up with millions of dollars of hardware and training from the DHS – to make war on peaceful citizens.
But wait: why on earth would Congress advise violent militarized reactions against its own peaceful constituents? The answer is straightforward: in recent years, members of Congress have started entering the system as members of the middle class (or upper middle class) – but they are leaving DC privy to vast personal wealth, as we see from the "scandal" of presidential contender Newt Gingrich's having been paid $1.8m for a few hours' "consulting" to special interests. The inflated fees to lawmakers who turn lobbyists are common knowledge, but the notion that congressmen and women are legislating their own companies' profitsis less widely known – and if the books were to be opened, they would surely reveal corruption on a Wall Street spectrum. Indeed, we do already know that congresspeople are massively profiting from trading on non-public information they have on companies about which they are legislating – a form of insider trading that sent Martha Stewart to jail.
Since Occupy is heavily surveilled and infiltrated, it is likely that the DHS and police informers are aware, before Occupy itself is, what its emerging agenda is going to look like. If legislating away lobbyists' privileges to earn boundless fees once they are close to the legislative process, reforming the banks so they can't suck money out of fake derivatives products, and, most critically, opening the books on a system that allowed members of Congress to profit personally – and immensely – from their own legislation, are two beats away from the grasp of an electorally organized Occupy movement … well, you will call out the troops on stopping that advance.
So, when you connect the dots, properly understood, what happened this week is the first battle in a civil war; a civil war in which, for now, only one side is choosing violence. It is a battle in which members of Congress, with the collusion of the American president, sent violent, organized suppression against the people they are supposed to represent. Occupy has touched the third rail: personal congressional profits streams. Even though they are, as yet, unaware of what the implications of their movement are, those threatened by the stirrings of their dreams of reform are not.
Sadly, Americans this week have come one step closer to being true brothers and sisters of the protesters in Tahrir Square. Like them, our own national leaders, who likely see their own personal wealth under threat from transparency and reform, are now making war upon us.

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Ben...Noami Wolf????? Seriously? She's notoriously anti porn Ben. If she catches you looking at pictures of Mint, she'll slap your pee-pee good. This chick is nuts !

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She's notoriously anti porn...

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which is not the issue.

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Originally Posted by Ben

The Shocking Truth About the Crackdown on Occupy

The violent police assaults across the US are no coincidence. Occupy has touched the third rail of our political class's venality

by Naomi Wolf

US citizens of all political persuasions are still reeling from images of unparallelled police brutality in a coordinated crackdown against peaceful OWS protesters in cities across the nation this past week. ...
For the terrible insight to take away from news that the Department of Homeland Security coordinated a violent crackdown is that the DHS does not freelance.

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While it might be true that the DHS has helped coordinate these crackdowns there isn't hard evidence as of yet and saying there is is irresponsible journalism. There's only one verified instance of the feds being involved, and that was in Occupy Portland where protestors were encroaching upon federal land. I expect better of Naomi Wolf.

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Originally Posted by trish

which is not the issue.

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of course it is....this is a porn forum. See how easy it is to conflate? You do it all the time. If it was anybody but a bat shit nutty left winger who engaged in her anti porn rantings, your g sting would be all in a knot.... That was the point Trish...you missed it.

Yeah...right :roll:

Yawn

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Originally Posted by Ben

The Shocking Truth About the Crackdown on Occupy

The violent police assaults across the US are no coincidence. Occupy has touched the third rail of our political class's venality

by Naomi Wolf

US citizens of all political persuasions are still reeling from images of unparallelled police brutality in a coordinated crackdown against peaceful OWS protesters in cities across the nation this past week. An elderly woman was pepper-sprayed in the face; the scene of unresisting, supine students at UC Davis being pepper-sprayed by phalanxes of riot police went viral online; images proliferated of young women – targeted seemingly for their gender – screaming, dragged by the hair by police in riot gear; and the pictures of a young man, stunned and bleeding profusely from the head, emerged in the record of the middle-of-the-night clearing of Zuccotti Park.
But just when Americans thought we had the picture – was this crazy police and mayoral overkill, on a municipal level, in many different cities? – the picture darkened. The National Union of Journalists and the Committee to Protect Journalists issued a Freedom of Information Act request to investigate possible federal involvement with law enforcement practices that appeared to target journalists. The New York Times reported that "New York cops have arrested, punched, whacked, shoved to the ground and tossed a barrier at reporters and photographers" covering protests. Reporters were asked by NYPD to raise their hands to prove they had credentials: when many dutifully did so, they were taken, upon threat of arrest, away from the story they were covering, and penned far from the site in which the news was unfolding. Other reporters wearing press passes were arrested and roughed up by cops, after being – falsely – informed by police that "It is illegal to take pictures on the sidewalk."
In New York, a state supreme court justice and a New York City council member were beaten up; in Berkeley, California, one of our greatest national poets, Robert Hass, was beaten with batons. The picture darkened still further when Wonkette and Washingtonsblog.com reported that the Mayor of Oakland acknowledged that the Department of Homeland Security had participated in an 18-city mayor conference call advising mayors on "how to suppress" Occupy protests.
To Europeans, the enormity of this breach may not be obvious at first. Our system of government prohibits the creation of a federalized police force, and forbids federal or militarized involvement in municipal peacekeeping.
I noticed that right-wing pundits and politicians on the TV shows on which I was appearing were all on-message against OWS. Journalist Chris Hayes reported on a leaked memo that revealed lobbyists vying for an $850,000 contract to smear Occupy. Message coordination of this kind is impossible without a full-court press at the top. This was clearly not simply a case of a freaked-out mayors', city-by-city municipal overreaction against mess in the parks and cranky campers. As the puzzle pieces fit together, they began to show coordination against OWS at the highest national levels.
Why this massive mobilization against these not-yet-fully-articulated, unarmed, inchoate people? After all, protesters against the war in Iraq, Tea Party rallies and others have all proceeded without this coordinated crackdown. Is it really the camping? As I write, two hundred young people, with sleeping bags, suitcases and even folding chairs, are still camping out all night and day outside of NBC on public sidewalks – under the benevolent eye of an NYPD cop – awaiting Saturday Night Live tickets, so surely the camping is not the issue. I was still deeply puzzled as to why OWS, this hapless, hopeful band, would call out a violent federal response.
That is, until I found out what it was that OWS actually wanted.
The mainstream media was declaring continually "OWS has no message". Frustrated, I simply asked them. I began soliciting online "What is it you want?" answers from Occupy. In the first 15 minutes, I received 100 answers. These were truly eye-opening.
The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process. No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act – the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.
No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.
When I saw this list – and especially the last agenda item – the scales fell from my eyes. Of course, these unarmed people would be having the shit kicked out of them.
For the terrible insight to take away from news that the Department of Homeland Security coordinated a violent crackdown is that the DHS does not freelance. The DHS cannot say, on its own initiative, "we are going after these scruffy hippies". Rather, DHS is answerable up a chain of command: first, to New York Representative Peter King, head of the House homeland security subcommittee, who naturally is influenced by his fellow congressmen and women's wishes and interests. And the DHS answers directly, above King, to the president (who was conveniently in Australia at the time).
In other words, for the DHS to be on a call with mayors, the logic of its chain of command and accountability implies that congressional overseers, with the blessing of the White House, told the DHS to authorize mayors to order their police forces – pumped up with millions of dollars of hardware and training from the DHS – to make war on peaceful citizens.
But wait: why on earth would Congress advise violent militarized reactions against its own peaceful constituents? The answer is straightforward: in recent years, members of Congress have started entering the system as members of the middle class (or upper middle class) – but they are leaving DC privy to vast personal wealth, as we see from the "scandal" of presidential contender Newt Gingrich's having been paid $1.8m for a few hours' "consulting" to special interests. The inflated fees to lawmakers who turn lobbyists are common knowledge, but the notion that congressmen and women are legislating their own companies' profitsis less widely known – and if the books were to be opened, they would surely reveal corruption on a Wall Street spectrum. Indeed, we do already know that congresspeople are massively profiting from trading on non-public information they have on companies about which they are legislating – a form of insider trading that sent Martha Stewart to jail.
Since Occupy is heavily surveilled and infiltrated, it is likely that the DHS and police informers are aware, before Occupy itself is, what its emerging agenda is going to look like. If legislating away lobbyists' privileges to earn boundless fees once they are close to the legislative process, reforming the banks so they can't suck money out of fake derivatives products, and, most critically, opening the books on a system that allowed members of Congress to profit personally – and immensely – from their own legislation, are two beats away from the grasp of an electorally organized Occupy movement … well, you will call out the troops on stopping that advance.
So, when you connect the dots, properly understood, what happened this week is the first battle in a civil war; a civil war in which, for now, only one side is choosing violence. It is a battle in which members of Congress, with the collusion of the American president, sent violent, organized suppression against the people they are supposed to represent. Occupy has touched the third rail: personal congressional profits streams. Even though they are, as yet, unaware of what the implications of their movement are, those threatened by the stirrings of their dreams of reform are not.
Sadly, Americans this week have come one step closer to being true brothers and sisters of the protesters in Tahrir Square. Like them, our own national leaders, who likely see their own personal wealth under threat from transparency and reform, are now making war upon us.

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wonderful piece

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/op...gs-to-tax.html

Yawn...

Another day, another crime spree for the Occupy folks.



PORTLAND -- Police have raided several Northeast Portland homes taken over by anarchists who claimed they were part of the Occupy Wall Street movement.
Police were tipped off about the situation Sunday. Responding officers found that the squatters had changed the locks on the homes.
Inside they found anarchist literature, drugs and weapons, including machetes.
Photos: Anarchists take over NE Portland homes
“There's the body armor in there, the bucket of projectiles: broken up concrete, rocks,” Portland Police Sgt. Jeff McDaniel told KGW. “There was some body-armor-type stuff for someone who might want to fight the police for one of the protests.”
But he explained that most of the protesters were non-violent.
“The sad thing is they’re trying to associate themselves with the Occupy movement, which has basically been peaceful,” he said. “But this clearly shows that [the anarchists] truly want to come down there and cause problems.”
The owners of the homes asked that the addresses not be released.
Police detained one man found inside a home. He said he had lived there for a week. He was given a warning for trespassing.





Occupy Boston resident charged with threatening man with knife near South Station

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By John R. Ellement, Globe Staff

A man who told MBTA Transit Police he is living in the Occupy Boston encampment was arrested Sunday after he allegedly threatened to stab a man near the South Station bus terminal.
The victim, whose name was not released, told police he was standing outside the terminal around 5:20 p.m. with his girlfriend when the suspect, Christian Boucher, started “checking her out,’’ according to a transit police report.
“Hey, mommy, you free?” Boucher allegedly said to the woman. He also asked the man if his girlfriend - who is also his fiancee -- was working as a prostitute, police said. When the man told Boucher to stop harassing him and his girlfriend, Boucher allegedly pulled out a folding knife.
“According to the victim, the suspect then took out a silver knife and brandished the weapon toward him and stated he was a Latin King and was not to be messed with or he would ‘stab him up,’” according to the transit police report.
The man and woman ran to the commuter rail section of South Station and alerted a transit police officer. Police located Boucher waiting for a bus to New York City. He was arrested after the man identified him as the assailant, police said. No knife was found on Boucher at the time of his arrest.
Boucher is charged with assault with a dangerous weapon.
Following his arrest, Boucher told police he had been living in a tent at the Occupy Boston encampment in Dewey Square.

Yawn indeed. So homeless criminals take advantage of OWS' open boundaries therefore we shouldn't punish the corporate criminals who wrecked our economy. Makes perfect sense. :roll:

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Yawn indeed. So homeless criminals take advantage of OWS' open boundaries therefore we shouldn't punish the corporate criminals who wrecked our economy. Makes perfect sense. :roll:

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You need to send that concern to your buddy at the Justice Department. I'll hold my breath while you libs press Holder for indictments on Corzine, James Johnson and Franklin Raines. Gretchen Morgenstern did all the work in her book Wreckless Endangerment...all Holder has to do is open the investagation..( still waiting)
Homeless criminals? LMAO...There's been over 5000 arrests at these protests and you're here to tell me it was a couple of homeless guys gettin' in on the fun? You're delusional, and your party's over. Turn out the lights...lol

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

You need to send that concern to your buddy at the Justice Department. I'll hold my breath while you libs press Holder for indictments on Corzine, James Johnson and Franklin Raines. Gretchen Morgenstern did all the work in her book Wreckless Endangerment...all Holder has to do is open the investagation..( still waiting)
Homeless criminals? LMAO...There's been over 5000 arrests at these protests and you're here to tell me it was a couple of homeless guys gettin' in on the fun? You're delusional, and your party's over. Turn out the lights...lol

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King Bubble calls me delusional, lol. I'll take that as a compliment given the twisted hate-party you call reality.

So you're conflating being arrested for civil disobedience with assault? If you don't know the difference, it's no wonder you're confused and angry about the modern world.

Look, it's clear you're too much of an ideologue to allow your precious CEO's to ever face the consequences for their actions, no matter what they've done. So you attack the movement that complains about them being above the law. Gretchenson's book was a partisan hit piece that I've already debunked in the politics section. If you care about what actually happened, try "All the Devils are Here" by McLean & Nocera.

http://www.salon.com/2011/11/20/the_...ing/singleton/

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King Bubble calls me delusional, lol. I'll take that as a compliment given the twisted hate-party you call reality.

So you're conflating being arrested for civil disobedience with assault? If you don't know the difference, it's no wonder you're confused and angry about the modern world.

Look, it's clear you're too much of an ideologue to allow your precious CEO's to ever face the consequences for their actions, no matter what they've done. So you attack the movement that complains about them being above the law. Gretchenson's book was a partisan hit piece that I've already debunked in the politics section. If you care about what actually happened, try "All the Devils are Here" by McLean & Nocera.

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Nobody's conflating anything silly boy. I gave you a stat that there have been 5000 arrests at these protests....some for serious felonies, some for drugs, lots for violence, some for rape, and some for civil disobedience. You can sort 'em out if you like.

And you....Bluegrass Cat moderately informed, and hopelessly naive poster on a porn forum debunked Ms. Morgensterns best seller that was meticulously written and footnoted? She's a columnist for the NY Times....she's a liberal and you call it a partisan hit piece? That's roll on the floor funny....You're a fool ....and a laughingstock.

And about those indictments...let me know when your ragamuffin band of anarchists, disgruntled college students and homeless bums start their march on the Justice department..I'll join in. lmao

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

Nobody's conflating anything silly boy. I gave you a stat that there have been 5000 arrests at these protests....some for serious felonies, some for drugs, lots for violence, some for rape, and some for civil disobedience. You can sort 'em out if you like.

And you....Bluegrass Cat moderately informed, and hopelessly naive poster on a porn forum debunked Ms. Morgensterns best seller that was meticulously written and footnoted? She's a columnist for the NY Times....she's a liberal and you call it a partisan hit piece? That's roll on the floor funny....You're a fool ....and a laughingstock.

And about those indictments...let me know when your ragamuffin band of anarchists, disgruntled college students and homeless bums start their march on the Justice department..I'll join in. lmao

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Apparently you don't even know what the word "conflate" means, because that is exactly what you did. LOL!

It's sad and embarrassing (but not surprising) how quickly you rush to fellate (I know you know that one) the bona fides of anyone you agree with and engage in character assassination against anyone you disagree with. You never ever deal with the substance of any argument. You build up or attack the messenger, change the subject, or just make stuff up. This is the last recourse of people spoonfed talking points who don't know why they oppose or support things, they just know that they dislike certain people. So I look forward to your next post where you do anything but deal with the substantive shortcomings of Gretchen's book.

Exposed: Fed Bailout of Big Banks Dwarfs TARP (What Occupy Wall Street is About) - YouTube

"26 TRILLION Dollars In Bank Bailouts! That's Not Including TARP!" Alan Grayson - YouTube

Occupy Wall Street Porn: 'Occupy My Throat' - YouTube

Alan Greenspan talks about the criminality on Wall Street. I think this might have something to do with the protests... ha ha!
And, too, if we valued and took pride in free market principles all -- I mean, ALL -- the big banks would've gone under.
Bailing out banks IS NOT free market orthodoxy. It's the antithesis.

2010-11-09 Greenspan Admission.mp4 - YouTube

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Alan Greenspan talks about the criminality on Wall Street. I think this might have something to do with the protests... ha ha!
And, too, if we valued and took pride in free market principles all -- I mean, ALL -- the big banks would've gone under.
Bailing out banks IS NOT free market orthodoxy. It's the antithesis.

2010-11-09 Greenspan Admission.mp4 - YouTube

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Ben....Maybe it's time to let this one die? I mean the bulldozers have leveled the tent cities, all the homeless losers are back panhandling. The druggies have checked back into rehab. The reactionary college professors are back in the class teaching their version of "liberal" arts, the parks have been retaken by the civilized and once again are safe for kids, pets and taxpayers. Cops are back to their normal working hours and not costing us millions in overtime. I know Blue Grass Cat and Trish are waiting for the next big wave, but it ain't coming. It's over.....unless of course they'd like to get behind what's going on out west where left over Occupy hoodlums are disrupting shipping ports? And they wonder why they lost public support. lmao

Exactly. We should protect and defend the criminally powerful and denigrate and hurl invective at the powerless, at the downtrodden.... It makes for a great society....

http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/12/be...X7VrFyeab-ExSB

Here's one for ya Ben. The lefty founder of Ben and Jerry's holding a press conference in support of OWS, and lamenting about corporations involved in politics.............While the company he founded spent a cool half million on lobbyists. You can't make this shit up !!!!!!! lmao

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You know shit, loser. Stick to politics and porn and leave what you think I think out of it. I'll tell the forum what I think and you tell the forum what YOU think.

Why can't our Occupy Wall Street protesters look like them?

This group is known as FEMEN, a Ukranian women's rights group, protesting the Russian elections last Friday (Dec. 9) outside The Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow.

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Why can't our Occupy Wall Street protesters look like them?

This group is known as FEMEN, a Ukranian women's rights group, protesting the Russian elections last Friday (Dec. 9) outside The Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow.

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wow i would love to arrest them:jerkoff

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Why can't our Occupy Wall Street protesters look like them?

This group is known as FEMEN, a Ukranian women's rights group, protesting the Russian elections last Friday (Dec. 9) outside The Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow.

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wow i would love to debrief them. :jerkoff

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wow i would love to debrief them. :jerkoff

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I thought they were wearing panties? :dancing::dancing::dancing:

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I thought they were wearing panties? :dancing::dancing::dancing:

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That's why I debrief them then really probe for information. Even when the information is attained, the probing continues.

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You know shit, loser. Stick to politics and porn and leave what you think I think out of it. I'll tell the forum what I think and you tell the forum what YOU think.

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Kiss my fiscally conservative ass in the middle of now peaceful, sanitary Zucotti Park......The irony of you calling me a loser is rich. The protest you so aligned yourself with is history. Gone, because as previously stated it "lacked a brain" ...couldn't you have helped in that regard?? Stick to talking that good game of yours from the safety of your keyboard and let somebody else get pepper sprayed... Loser.

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Kiss my fiscally conservative ass in the middle of now peaceful, sanitary Zucotti Park......The irony of you calling me a loser is rich. The protest you so aligned yourself with is history. Gone, because as previously stated it "lacked a brain" ...couldn't you have helped in that regard?? Stick to talking that good game of yours from the safety of your keyboard and let somebody else get pepper sprayed... Loser.

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That's better (Although your post is still loaded with unfounded presumptions concerning my actions or non-actions and that's really creepy. Can you just stop obsessing about me, loser?) Speak for yourself and I'll speak for myself.

Or maybe I just like Matt Taibbi

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...sachs-20111213

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Or maybe I just like Matt Taibbi

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...sachs-20111213

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Love Matt Taibbi. Thanks Trish....

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

Kiss my fiscally conservative ass in the middle of now peaceful, sanitary Zucotti Park......The irony of you calling me a loser is rich. The protest you so aligned yourself with is history. Gone, because as previously stated it "lacked a brain" ...couldn't you have helped in that regard?? Stick to talking that good game of yours from the safety of your keyboard and let somebody else get pepper sprayed... Loser.

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On My Knees is a 100 per center,a very stand up guy