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Here's a lovely video put out by the prominent Democratic organization - MoveOn.org...
http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2004/...moveon.org.mov
It's almost humorous that democrats are actually upset over these few wackos not associated with the Republicans, who show off their Obama - Hitler posters.
Either they have extremely short memories on what happened to Bush in this regard, or they just don't care about promoting a double standard.
Jay,
So is Obama a war criminal too?
He hasn't brought home the troops.
He supports the Bush Patriot Act.
If you're honest you would have to agree that the level of hatred and Hitler comparison were SO much more open and prevalent against Bush than Obama.
And I'm not condoning either one. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.
Look, this health care debate has nothing to do with this Hitler nonsense.
It's about the vast majority of Americans who DO NOT want the government in the health care business. Plain and simple.
No matter how you slice and dice it, it is that simple. The Democrats in this country hold all the strings. They could have voted this thing in months ago if they wanted to. Why havent they?
Because in a massive grass roots effort, the voters of all these Democratic congressmen and Senators have wrote them and told them in no uncertain terms that they DON'T WANT any more government health care debacles.
It's very simple. The people have spoken.
Also...
The American public is getting sick of the out of control spending and taxes being put forth by Obama...
Just the other day this shit hit the fan...
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09...y5314040.shtml
He's attempting to shut down Guantanamo, he's relocating troops to Afghanistan (where they should've been in the first place looking for Osama). Look, you're trying to get into a debate over the former and present president. You have an 8 year track record to check Bush on and a very struggled...what...8 months of trying to get things done and being slashed apart at every turn?
Why am I even debating this? This debate has nothing to do with my original post which was the extremity of the protesters over legislative reform. Do I deny that that stuff happened with Bush? No. I didn't condone it then and I don't now. Quit twisting the subject Beagle. Won't work.
Keep talking Beagle. I'm done. I've asked you to stick to the OP and I've explained myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
Seems to me there is little actual debate happening. Just a lot of fools screaming "socialist, fascist, Non-Amercan citizen, liar", and whatever else they can think of. There's no Republican bill or any ideas for reform even put forward by their side, so there is in fact little to debate. In a real democracy, I imagine thr Republicans would be championing a bill and ideas like the Dems have put forward, and the Dems would all be lined up solidly behind H.R. 676. Unfortunately we've got a corporate friendly, right of center plan, and nothing but obstruction from a party that is absolutely out to lunch these days.
Ray,
You are incorrect. The Republicans have put forth a number of plans and options. Of course, they get shot down by the party in power and ignored by the Obama sympathetic media.
The three Republican bills total almost 400 pages and have been on the table since May and June.
In May, Republicans in the House and the Senate formed a bicameral coalition to produce the130-page “Patients Choice Act of 2009.”
In June, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) introduced the “Health Care Freedom Plan,” a 41-page proposal.
And in July, the Republican Study Committee, under the leadership of Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), unveiled the “Empowering Patients First Act,” a 130-page plan.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/po...-58644807.html
http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare
I can certainly cite other examples but it is just not true that the Republicans have not put forth alternatives to Obama Care
Jay,Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycanuck
I am attempting to stay on topic and I only used those examples to illustrate my point. I believe your premise on the extremity of these protestors is flawed.
First, I don't believe that the health care protesting is extreme. There's nothing wrong with strident and vocal opposition. People are upset over the direction they see the country headed in.
Second, the so-called extreme protest that included a Hitler-Obama poster was not even a Republican. I was trying to point out that there's always a few extreme fringe protestors that can be found and to single them out and make them center of attention is wrong.
We recently had over 1 million protestors descend on Wash DC last week. You might not be aware of this peaceful event because the mainstream media chose not to cover it. But there were no problems and the protesters even cleaned up after themselves.
Check it out and you'll see the vast majority of these peaceful protestors are middle aged and elderly and hardly can be described as extreme hate mongers.
But I realize this picture of 1 million grass roots average middle-aged, mainstream Americans driving to Wash DC to protest doesn't fit the mold that the news media and administration put forth.
Therefore you hear trumped up charges about the very few fringe elements that carry some poster or elect to carry a legal firearm to an event.
The Obama admin, the Dems, and the news media are starting to realize they have lost this health care debate and they are pulling out all the stops.
Alright, I should have said no serious proposal. The Repubs have put forth bills that really say nothing, and affect no change, and the latest from Baucus is such a handout to the insurance companies, even the republicans are running away from it. My bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagle
Sorry Beagle. I finished.