17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

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Originally Posted by natina

TRAYVON MARTIN is an inocent youth

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Thank you for once again proving how full of crap you are.

Maybe he was... but your facts and statements here do not support it, let us not forget just a few days ago you said:

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Originally Posted by natina

zimmerman lies to police saying he was the one hollering and screaming for help not knowing that the screams would be forensically analysis and he would be found to be a lie

your voice is as UNIQUE AS A FINGER PRINT.

voice identification NOW IS JUST LIKE FINGER PRINTS thats how terroist or potential terroist are caught now .

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Or would you like to skip the fact that the judge refused to allow a couple of the state witnesses with an expertise in voice analysis as the judge agreed that the standards being used by them weren't widely accepted by the scientific community?

Or that on the 6th day of the trial (7/1) Dr. Hirotaka Nakasone from the FBI, an expert in speech identification and speaker identification (a state witness) testified YET AGAIN that current technology & science cannot identify the identity or age from a scream.

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Originally Posted by natina

who was going to his father house after purchasing some candy and an ice tea when an embolded man who has had MMA training and was armed and was over zealous

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If Trayvon was simply 'going to his father(sic) house'... how did he not make it?

The distances involved suggest that Trayvon did not in fact go home (nor was chased down)... but instead doubled back or waited... a claim supported by the recording of George Zimmerman today.

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Originally Posted by natina

tried to detain him and probably pushed him and attempted to take him to the ground with his MMA training.

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You mean you have evidence that not even the State of Florida prosecutors have? I think they'd be very eager to know what you have as they are clearly behind and could use every little bit of help they can.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

We are on the same page mostly, but you just seem saturated with glee over the mistakes of the prosecution.

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I am in the same way that I was in the Duke Lacrosse case... I can see when an overzealous prosecutor has overstepped their bounds and the realm of the supporting evidence and legality and not only hope for the acquittal of the accused... but also the same result to fall upon Angela Corey as did Mike Nifong.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

The prosecution should have responded to the initial mistakes and outrage with diligence and not made a charge that is difficult to sustain.

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No argument... provided there was a charge that they felt confident that they could have brought... though today we heard the testimony from Investigator Chris Serino, the lead detective in the case seemed to believe much of what Zimmerman had said... and even during a later interview when he lied to Zimmerman, claiming there was a tape of the incident, Zimmerman replied "Thank God!" tells quite a different story than what the state is claiming.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

I am not familiar with Florida homicide statutes. For instance, some states have different degrees of manslaughter, with negligent homicide being a less culpable form. Voluntary manslaughter may also have been a winnable charge.

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True to a point... however the self defense claim still comes into play here... which Mark O'Mara (lead defender) has done a remarkable job of weaving into his cross examinations of each of the state witnesses thus far... virtually all of which have given significant testimony that support the defense theory and not that of the prosecution.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

This is the part I disagree with. I don't see that following really. The prosecutor is responsible for the decisions she makes, though she doesn't make them in a vacuum.

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This can be viewed as going hand with the actions of perjurious Rachel Jeantel... who made multiple (on the record) false statements to police and others... the key difference is that Rachel Jeantel is a simple gal who was put into a high pressure situation (ie giving her first statement on the killing in the presence of Trayvon Martin's mother)... while Angela Corey is said to be an experienced prosecutor.

While the prior giving such statements I will give a small pass to... a great deal of pressure would have to be applied to cause the later to do what they did.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

Just looking at the overall trajectory of events is enough to make me want to see him locked up. I was outraged, and there was a lot of collective outrage.

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Sorry to see/hear you are so swayed by public outrage... long ago I learned that if I am on the popular side of anything... that I should re-examine my views as I may be wrong... and quite often I found that I was as the popular option is rarely the right one.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

But the prosecutors legal mistakes are her own, however zealous she thinks she should be and however she misinterprets the public's will.

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I blame the prosecutor... just as I do a Roman emperor long ago looking down upon a pair of gladiators with the power of life and death... with a single movement of the thumb, they would choose who lived and who died... and often based on the input of the collective mass assembled.

This I'm afraid is little different. There is a group out for blood and is seeking a slow and rather incompetent lynching to achieve their ends... who will be very outraged that their attempts failed... and a person (prosecutor or emperor) who was more concerned with entertainment value than actual 'justice'.

In all of my years I have never been a member of such a lynch mob... and while such a powerful official should no better than to give in to certain types of public outcries... those who did participate in the swaying of them deserve full blame as well.

I think claiming he was killed for "walking in white suburbia" is a little farfetched....I don't know what transpired that day, but I highly doubt that's how it played out. And, in many of the news articles written about the case, it's obvious they're trying to infuriate people further by claiming Zimmerman was white (when he's not)... and that a horrible white guy is killing an innocent, powerless black child. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. It's sad nonetheless that this 17 year old boy was killed, but it's easy to jump on the bandwagon of sympathy without fully knowing all the facts.

setting a bad precedence if zimmerman goes free

this will mean anyone can profile you, stalk/pursue you then confront you with out the proper authority and without proper training which would certainly instigate a fight.zimmerman had NO uniform or ID to show that he was not a threat to trayvon martin.


zimmerman is not a model citizen, he has a violent and troubled past. while trayvon martin does not have a criminal history and was doing well in school according to a teacher. a police officer stated he was a "good kid".

Investigator: Zimmerman missed opportunities to defuse situation


(CNN) -- George Zimmerman failed to identify himself twice during a confrontation with Trayvon Martin and missed opportunities to defuse the situation that led to the death of the teen, a detective says in a newly released report.

Zimmerman, who served as a neighborhood watch volunteer, is charged with second-degree murder in the February 26 shooting death of Martin, 17, in Sanford, Florida.

Martin's family and civil rights activists said Zimmerman, who is white and Hispanic, racially profiled Martin and ignored a 911 dispatcher's advice not to follow him.

Also released Tuesday was an unredacted capias request, a request that someone be taken into custody, prepared by the lead police investigator in the case, Christopher Serino.

"Investigative findings show that (Zimmerman) had at least two opportunities to speak with (Martin) in order to defuse the circumstances surrounding their encounter," Serino wrote in the report. "On at least two occasions (Zimmerman) failed to identify himself as a concerned resident or a neighborhood watch volunteer."

The detective also said Zimmerman's actions "are inconsistent with those of a person who has stated he was in fear of another subject."

In the same report, Serino wrote that Zimmerman's injuries were "marginally consistent with a life-threatening violent episode as described by him."

Mark O'Mara, Zimmerman's defense attorney, said it will be up to a judge and jury to interpret what Serino's report means to the case.

"I don't want to get into a battle with investigator Serino's report considering what he believed after it seems he made the decision that charges should be filed," O'Mara said Tuesday.

"The lead detective made the determination at least on two different occasions Zimmerman had opportunity to defuse the situation. When he got out the car, he could have at least said, 'I'm a neighborhood watch volunteer' to defuse the situation and it's likely Trayvon Martin would be living today," Crump said.

"The lead detective today got demoted.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/27/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

video talks about new evidence & zimmermans gift to the DA and MARTIN FAMILY

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/19/justic...iew/index.html


http://wearytravelermusings.blogspot...ell-truth.html

the police say that trayvon martin was a " good kid" with "NO CRIMMINAL RECORD" unlke zimmerman who has an extensive crimminal record of violence and police brutality

TEACHER RECALLS TRAVON MARTIN


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/2...ical-teen.html

A Stupid Gun Owner is a Dangerous Gun Owner

Responsible gun owners and defenders of the right to self-defense must demand the prosecution of George Zimmerman

Police in the central Florida town of Sanford have said that 28-year-old George Zimmerman says he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in self-defense during a confrontation in a gated community. Police have described Zimmerman as white; his family says he is Hispanic and not racist. (US News)
Neighborhood vigilante George Zimmerman murdered young Trayvon Martin. I don't see how a reasonable person could reach any other conclusion. News outlets are blaming Florida's Stand Your Ground Law, but that's just agenda reporting.

Nothing in that law green-lights what Zimmerman did. He was flat-out wrong. Criminally wrong. You can’t just go chasing law-abiding citizens down the street at the point of a gun.

Zimmerman told a police dispatcher that the teen was "up to no good" because he was walking through his neighborhood "just walking around, looking about" with his "hands on his waistband." Does the idiot have kids? That's what teens do!

Zimmerman chased after Martin, complaining to the dispatcher, "These a******s always get away."

Hell yeah! When a gun-toting man is chasing you, you're going to try to get away. Of course Martin’s going to run. He probably thought Zimmerman was a pedophile or some kind of crazy person. He had every right to run. He also had a right to turn around and “jump” Zimmerman “from behind” (how do you get jumped from behind by someone you’re chasing? Zimmerman is lying.)

When someone chases you down and assaults you, you have a right to fight back. Too bad the kid didn’t end up kicking the dumb bastard’s head in.


The perpetrator was not “standing his ground,” he was chasing down an innocent young man who was just trying to get back to his house before the second half started. If anything, had the kid killed Zimmerman, that same law would have protected him.

This is a tragedy. It is assault with a deadly weapon and murder. And Florida's Stand Your Ground law needs to stand. It will protect potential victims from assaults by people like George Zimmerman.

The law did not authorize Zimmerman to chase down an innocent person. He was the aggressor in this instance.

http://westernhero.blogspot.com/2012_03_01_archive.html

ARGUMENT FOR NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE

Detective faulted George Zimmerman for not avoiding confrontation with Trayvon Martin.



Neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman missed two opportunities to try to peacefully approach Trayvon Martin before he fatally shot the unarmed teenager, according to an investigator's report released Tuesday.

"The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party's concern," investigator Chris Serino wrote in an arrest warrant affidavit.

The affidavit was filed more than two weeks after the shooting when the Sanford Police Department was being criticized for not having arrested Zimmerman. Serino's March 13 affidavit recommended Zimmerman be picked up for manslaughter, but a special prosecutor assigned to take over the case upped the charge to second-degree murder.

The documents released Tuesday are part of the public pre-trial records filed in the criminal case.

Zimmerman, 28, maintains he feared for his life and shot Martin in self-defense under Florida's "stand your ground law." He said he fired the fatal shot only after being ambushed and brutally attacked by the 17-year-old.

The deadly encounter occurred in a gated Sanford, Fla., neighborhood where Zimmerman lived and Martin was staying with a family friend. Zimmerman called 911 to report Martin as a suspicious person walking through the area. He told the operator Martin was "up to no good" and "has his hand in his waist band."

In the report released Tuesday, police say Zimmerman contradicted himself by saying that he was initially fearful of Martin but later got out of his vehicle and followed after the teen.

"His actions are inconsistent with those of a person who has stated he was in fear of another subject," Serino wrote.

The Orlando Sentinel reported Tuesday afternoon that Serino, Sanford's lead investigator on the case, has been granted a request to move from detective work to patrol duty.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...192523670.html
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DA;Papantonio: Trayvon Killer Should Be Charged With Premeditated Murder


Papantonio: Trayvon Killer Should Be Charged With Premeditated Murder

Mike Papantonio talks with Ed Schultz about his views on the Trayvon Martin murder, as well as Florida's flawed "Stand Your Ground" law.

Papantonio: Trayvon Killer Should Be Charged With Premeditated Murder - YouTube

Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, pursued him, frightened him, confronted him then shot him during a struggle, prosecutors alleged Thursday.

That's what the probable-cause affidavit filed Thursday by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey reveals. It is the first look at the criminal case that prosecutors plan to mount against Zimmerman.


The account is strikingly similar to the story that Trayvon's parents, the family's attorneys and civil-rights leaders have told for weeks — that Trayvon was an innocent victim hunted down and killed because he was black.

Herr found the affidavit legally sufficient to establish probable cause and ordered Zimmerman to appear for arraignment — when defendants formally enter a plea — on May 29 before Circuit Judge Jessica Recksiedler.

But the probable-cause affidavit, prepared by two investigators in her office, spelled out the bare bones of her case.

To Trayvon, it says, Zimmerman was a scary man, following him for some unknown reason. To Zimmerman, Trayvon was someone who was about to commit a crime, "a f------ punk," the affidavit said.

The affidavit offered evidence the state's position on three key points:

•"Zimmerman confronted Martin," it says, an apparent contradiction of Zimmerman's version of events.

•The state will argue that the voice heard crying for help in the background of one 911 call is Trayvon's. According to the affidavit, Trayvon's mother listened to the recording and identified the voice as her son's.

•State investigators will rely on the testimony of a friend of Trayvon's who told them she talked to the teenager on the phone in the lead-up to the shooting and heard the confrontation.

Based on the description, she appears to be the girl described by Martin family attorneys as his girlfriend.

When interviewed by state investigators, "The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn't know why," the affidavit said.

Trayvon tried to run home, the affidavit says, but Zimmerman ignored the advice of a police dispatcher and continued pursuing him on foot.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-show-accident

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Originally Posted by natina

zimmerman is not a model citizen, he has a violent and troubled past. while trayvon martin does not have a criminal history and was doing well in school according to a teacher. a police officer stated he was a "good kid".

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I'm not sure how you can say he was 'doing well in school' when he was just suspended for 10 days.

He may not have had a criminal history, but his suspension was for criminal type behavior, had he been an adult. He went to an area of the school students aren't allowed in (Trespassing), his backpack contained a baggie that had a slight bit of marijuana in it (drug possession), a large screwdriver that is perfect for breaking into things (burglars tools) and jewelry whose owner he 'didn't know' (stolen property), which may have been obtained by breaking into something using that screwdriver. There is a bunch of jewelry in your backpack and you don't know who it belongs to?

Don't get me wrong, I think Zimmerman could have and should have taken his opportunities to have just told Trayvon that he was neighborhood watch and didn't recognize him as somebody living in the area. Then Trayvon could have said he just moved in, that's why you don't recognize me. Maybe it would have been friendly. Even if it was a bit tense,and they cursed each other out, I don't think it would have led to a killing.