17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

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Originally Posted by mathematics1900

Did you even read the article you linked me to? Dallas is now Texas? Lol, I like how you can break down a statement, focus on one detail (dallas is in texas), and then form your argument. I was speaking about Texas, and the mob never ran Texas. However, the mob sure as hell ran New York.

Also, since you fail to understand human psychology, most people use guns as a means for posturing. The average citizen doesn't want confrontation, the average citizen doesn't want to shoot anyone, the average citizen wants to live his life in peace. I have had numerous friends with a permit to carry pull their guns and defuse situations that could of gotten real bad, real fast. Keeping the guns out of the hands of the nutters? You're insane, you are probably the same person who wants to restrict guns based off of the Virginia Tech shooting yet don't even realize that the amount of people killed there is tripled every weekend in Philadelphia. There is more going on here than just guns!

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I don't understand your reaction -the 'Mob' has been in Texas since the 1920s, which means your argument they had been absent because Texans carry guns and dont get pushed around by 'the mob' is nonsense. And even if it wasn't the mob, if you read LBJ's biography you won't consider Texan politics to be much cleaner.

How can I be insane to want guns taken away from people who are mentally disturbed, or who fall into a depression because of some family problem, or get high on drugs etc?? Sounds pretty reasonable to me -my point was that it is precisely nutters who do most damage; other than gang-related stuff.

Sticking to the thread then, maybe we should know how that Neighbourhood Watch was formed, if it had a policy agreed with the police about 'volunteers' carrying weapons -I don't know how the NW schemes work in the US but we have them in the UK also, obviously without guns, but probably with a few Columbos. And as I said before, because many people had moved out of that gated community, Zimmerman -or any other NW volunteer- would not have known many of the new people who moved in, or their friends and relatives visiting from another town, as Trayvon and his father were that weekend. It wasn't really a 'neighbourhood' in the conventional sense.

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Originally Posted by yourdaddy

So, trish, you want to give free rein to the thugs who will ALWAYS tuck their weapons, but you want people in states that don't have an "open carry" law to get arrested? You are a typical liberal idiot that doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground.

You appear to be suffering from the same idiocy that old dupree has. Halitosis Homophiliosis is not a pretty condition.

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This appears to me to be an example of fear based thinking. This type of thinking person bases a large part of their life on thinking about 'thugs'. So they are carrying a weapon, and looking out for potential situations. But the time you spend thinking about, them you are missing the other 99.whatever % of humanity. I see people holding doors when I am carrying bags out of the store, and I say thanks. I am at peace with most all of humanity. The weapon you carry for protection maybe more likely to cause a serious accident. Case in point: a close friend of mines neighbor 14 year old son, killed his 10 year brother, saying he was playing around with the weapon. Everyone remembers them as inseparable. So now the mother has one child dead and the other was placed in a juvenile facility, and may be mentally scarred for life. What was more important, protecting the television, or the children's lives? Homes are filled with potential things that could be used for protection, besde guns.

A criminal with any sense, would catch a person off guard, even if they had a weapon they wouldn't have time to use it. That's how it happened to me when I was robbed. The criminal would have ended up taking my gun if I had had one. Then he would have had two guns. I still walked to the store at night, after that. I was just more aware of others. I could have used that $2.50, I lost, but I'm ok. I purposely did not carry my wallet that night.

But back to my original statement. The 'protecting oneself from thugs' based lifestyle in based on fear. Ancient wisdom indentifies it as tool of Satan. Satan is in reality a personification of destructive thinking. Or another way, to say it as leading to bad judgement, which leads us down the wrong paths. And example of that; would be thinking that immature, emotionally and hormonally charged, college kids, without parental supervision, should be alloewed to carry guns to classes.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0321152627.htm

http://www.scientificamerican.com/po...ee-gu-12-03-22

@Stravos, NW training will tell each person:
1. Don't carry a weapon
2. Don't engage a person call the police and let them handle it.

So right there again Zimmerman's ass is in trouble, he can't use his training as a back up to why he did what he did, he carried a weapon because HE wanted to. Zimmerman's case is all messed up, he has not a leg to stand on. I know the Martins are going to sue the hell out of the police department.

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Originally Posted by trish

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0321152627.htm

http://www.scientificamerican.com/po...ee-gu-12-03-22

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Great dam articles!!!!

"A quarter of all police shootings involve unarmed suspects. In a few recent cases, officers mistook cell phones and hairbrushes for guns, and shot and killed the victims. "

Guess what Trish? A frew weeks ago a African american man and woman were walking and the African american man was holding a cell phone to his ear talking don't you know a stupid cop shot at the man who wasn't even a suspect, and while shooting hit an African american woman and she died. The man lived because he put his hand to his face which he was shot in the hand and brought reporters back to the spot where he was shot. now he is not locked up because he didn't commit a crime, this was in Chicago don't you know the police chief said it was justified? What the fuck!!! HOw can that be justified? How do you shoot a woman who is just walking by kill her who had nothing to do with nothing and call that justified? To me this is worse than Trayvon case. This has got to stop.

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Originally Posted by arnie666

Hey idiot, zimmermans assessment on martins looks ,was because he was asked by the 9/11 operator what he looked like, nbc tried to alter the conversation and insert racist undertones into what was said by zimmerman and they were rumbled,and a someone high up in that network who has been kept anon has been fired.

Obama ,as in other cases has jumped the gun without knowing the full facts. Basically because he is a cynical politician not because he identifies at all with martin or other african americans. Obama had a very privilaged upbringing and does not give a shit about them. He prefers the company of blonde thirty something white ex american football players, but that is another conversation.

And where did I say I didn't want zimmerman in jail,I told you what I think of him. Whatever his true intent I think he should be locked up for being a fucking idiot at least who killed someone. I don't even like the stand your ground law as I think it encourages cop freaks like him to act like serpico .In my view zimmerman should have been arrested and processed through the court system straight away. He took a life on the street and should not have been walking free for weeks. I also think it is wise to reserve some judgement on what happened that night until it goes to court but I doubt some here will as they seem to have been present that night and seen and heard it all with their own eyes. Because the media notoriously has made and is making mistakes about who said and did what.

Hold this thought, if the races were reversed and we had a black neighbourhood watch person with a cop fetish believing he is shaft, and a mixed raced young man who ended up dead, the race hustlers would probably be screaming self defence if they made a comment at all. Would obozo be jumping in before the court case I wonder to give us all the benefit of his wisdom, and the media altering 9/11 tapes?

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If you think that the whole incident should be investigated more thouroughly, then you and I are in agreement. Apparently now the Florida legal, thinks so too. Perhaps evidence will come out to support his some of his claims. Perhaps some of the 'facts' we have heard in the media are not true. But most are curious to find out what is really true or not. I heard that in one previous month he called the police 46 times. Sounds like someone, who was looking for trouble, if this is true. Zimmerman should self checked himself and left his gun at home.

A much more sensible approach, would have just been to speak to Trayvon, in a friendly, non-confrontational way. If in fact, Martin was casing out places for criminal activity, he would know that Zimmerman may hve been able to clearly identify as a potential perpetrator, if a burglary had taken place at a later time. Our local newspaper, put a story of a neighborhood watch person who used that technique.

If the situation was reversed racially, I believe most people of color would still like it to be thouroughy investigated. There are enough crazy people in the neighborhood these days, so supicious circumstances should be checked out.

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Originally Posted by yodajazz

A much more sensible approach, would have just been to speak to Trayvon, in a friendly, non-confrontational way.

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How about Zimmerman not ENGAGING TRAYVON AT ALL like the dispatcher said not to? why do we keep giving Zimmerman the lead that he should of talked to Trayvon this or that way when he shouldn't have never approached Tray in the first place. No confrontation means there wouldn't have been a killing on Zimmerman's part. Zimmerman is not the police, he isn't the law he is nothing but a self proclaimed neighborhood watchmen captain. The only thing Zimmerman did was call police everything after that was stupidity on his part. This was a brutal murder and he needs to do time for it and he will then have al the precious time to think about what he did.

We know for a fact and it's indisputable, he killed A CHILD!!! for no dam reason, that's the absolute truth. The child was going to the store to get skittles and ice tea, coming back to where his father's girlfriend lived and to be approached by some wanna be hero cop that took his life for no apparent reason.

The two most important facts are Zimmerman's phone call and was told not to engage and that girlfriend of Trayvon. It shows that Trayvon was scared of being followed and shows that Zimmerman is the aggressor!!! He is going to fucking jail!!!

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Originally Posted by yodajazz

This appears to me to be an example of fear based thinking. This type of thinking person bases a large part of their life on thinking about 'thugs'. So they are carrying a weapon, and looking out for potential situations. But the time you spend thinking about, them you are missing the other 99.whatever % of humanity. I see people holding doors when I am carrying bags out of the store, and I say thanks. I am at peace with most all of humanity. The weapon you carry for protection maybe more likely to cause a serious accident. Case in point: a close friend of mines neighbor 14 year old son, killed his 10 year brother, saying he was playing around with the weapon. Everyone remembers them as inseparable. So now the mother has one child dead and the other was placed in a juvenile facility, and may be mentally scarred for life. What was more important, protecting the television, or the children's lives? Homes are filled with potential things that could be used for protection, besde guns.

A criminal with any sense, would catch a person off guard, even if they had a weapon they wouldn't have time to use it. That's how it happened to me when I was robbed. The criminal would have ended up taking my gun if I had had one. Then he would have had two guns. I still walked to the store at night, after that. I was just more aware of others. I could have used that $2.50, I lost, but I'm ok. I purposely did not carry my wallet that night.

But back to my original statement. The 'protecting oneself from thugs' based lifestyle in based on fear. Ancient wisdom indentifies it as tool of Satan. Satan is in reality a personification of destructive thinking. Or another way, to say it as leading to bad judgement, which leads us down the wrong paths. And example of that; would be thinking that immature, emotionally and hormonally charged, college kids, without parental supervision, should be alloewed to carry guns to classes.

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Hey Yoda, just want to say that this is the most sensible post in this entire thread. Thanks.

BTW, the story about an adolescent kid accidentally killing his brother with a gun is way more common than people realize. I know two individuals who shot and killed their brothers at an early age. One is still pretty effed up by the experience. The other has a Masters degree and teaches kids with disabilities... a brilliant and compassionate person

I was listening to NPR this morning & it was stated that Florida has moved to the top of the list for gun deaths per capita across the US since they enacted their shoot first "Stand your ground" law. Ain't that special?

In the same conversation, there came up something called the "Zimmerman vigilante law". It was prsented to the Congress by Wayne la Pierre, just 2 days after the Florida incident, (I guess old Wayne's clairvoyant too) & would extend SYG & concealed carry to all 50 states as a federal statute. They said It already passed the House & is sitting in the Senate right now. Oh boy!

So... If anybody's actually read any of the SYG laws, or the Florida shoot first law in particular, I have a question: Is it just guns, specifically, that are covered by the law, or the use of violence in general? Are you covered using a knife to open up your attacker like a can of beans? How about cracking the threat's skull by picking up a brick? Where do fists come into play?

You wanna know what's really scary? Trayvon was one of the cream of the crop. He had a father at home. After 4 generations of welfare mothers, no fathers at home, and about 75% of black births coming from baby-mamas, America is in a world of shit.

This goes for that sad excuse for a President that we have too.

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Originally Posted by yourdaddy

You wanna know what's really scary? Trayvon was one of the cream of the crop. He had a father at home. After 4 generations of welfare mothers, no fathers at home, and about 75% of black births coming from baby-mamas, America is in a world of shit.

This goes for that sad excuse for a President that we have too.

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LMAO, you're a redneck cracker, like me. Don't try looking hip by using a term like baby-mama. Makes you look pretty stupid.

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Originally Posted by Odelay

LMAO, you're a redneck cracker, like me. Don't try looking hip by using a term like baby-mama. Makes you look pretty stupid.

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You're wrong red-neck. I am a very proud fifth generation Florida Cracker and evidently, you don't know or can't tell the difference. We arrived here in 1636 from Scotland after an ancestor killed his Laird. Other ancestors and my family and I have fought in the Revolutionary, War and every war since then.

I was shown the light at the age of 15 by a older black friend who taught me the subleties of Scotch vs. Southern Comfort. I have dated more than a few black girls of every stripe.

I have been paying attention to social problems and am not afraid to say what I see.

Don't call me a red-neck.

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Originally Posted by yourdaddy

You're wrong red-neck. I am a very proud fifth generation Florida Cracker and evidently, you don't know or can't tell the difference. We arrived here in 1636 from Scotland after an ancestor killed his Laird. Other ancestors fought in the Revolutionary, War and every war since then.

I was shown the light at 16 by a black friend who taught me the subleties of Scotch vs. Southern Comfort. I have dated more than a few black girls of every stripe. Don't call me a red-neck.

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Wolf in sheep's clothing then? I warn black people about your kind.............I can smell you from a distance........you're 'down with the homeboys' while in your heart you harbor contempt. The worst kind of human being and unfortunately you've attached yourself to a people who never look below the surface and into the hearts of men. They're content to accept you at face value.

Boy... is that a bunch of bull shit.

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Originally Posted by yourdaddy

Boy... is that a bunch of bull shit.

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What are the official Cracker talking points on Hispanics?

Mexicans and Cubans make wonderful Americans. They want to work for a living and not take a handout.

I've dated 3 different black chicks in my life. Are you telling me I can turn in my redneck papers? Woo hoo! Didn't know that was the criteria.

It's a start.

Love your avatar.

By the damn way. Anyone who starts a thread on an international forum that says

"17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia",


oughta be strung up by his BB sized cojones. El es nada pero un pendejo.

Look what can happen when one stands their ground.

http://moorbey.wordpress.com/2012/04...ars-in-prison/

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Originally Posted by Willie Escalade

Look what can happen when one stands their ground.

http://moorbey.wordpress.com/2012/04...ars-in-prison/

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What the Alexander case seems to argue is that it is to the shooter's advantage to kill their 'assailant' and then claim self-defence rather than injure or fire a warning shot! Precisely because she fired a warning shot, this was taken to imply she had other options, that her own life was not in imminent danger: she could have jumped out the window of the bedroom according to the judge (!) -her husband had a history of violence against her but was he going to 'give her a slap' or kill her? She obviously admitted she had a gun and fired it, and the jury took 13 minutes to reach a verdict: this is where the letter of the law is preferred over the more subtle issues of 'intent' and the different moral positions of Alexander and her husband. Morally, she is clearly the victim of an outrageous miscarriage of justice -but isn't this just another desperately sad example of how the trial situation itself is so poor in the USA? Had she actually shot and killed her husband in a state that doesn't have SYG laws, wouldn't she now be on Death Row?

Something wrong with your police, your courts, and your laws!! -And no I am not saying its superior in the UK.

Neighbourhood Watch- Official Trailer [HD] - YouTube

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Originally Posted by yourdaddy

I was shown the light at the age of 15 by a older black friend who taught me the subleties of Scotch vs. Southern Comfort. I have dated more than a few black girls of every stripe.

I have been paying attention to social problems and am not afraid to say what I see.

Don't call me a red-neck.

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Oh So you'are a Mason huh? Shown the light through the boy scouts then through a Fraternity and became a Free Mason of the Scottish Rite huh?

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Originally Posted by Willie Escalade

Look what can happen when one stands their ground.

http://moorbey.wordpress.com/2012/04...ars-in-prison/

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Thank you for that article. a man in New York went through the same thing, he was African american a Caucasian entered his house to rob him, the man killed the robber in SELF DEFENSE. Make a long story short THE AFRICAN AMERICAN IS DOING TIME BECAUSE OF A CAUCASIAN MAN ENTERING HIS HOME AND THE AA STOOD UP TO PROTECT HIS FAMILY AND HOME.

Now that is crazy how the guy gets time and it was surely definite this man tried to rob him and maybe hurt his family yet he gets time. Zimmerman should go to jail if not there is going to be some shit because Marrisa and this man who happen to be DARK gets time.

They said the put a cap on that movie because of the Trayvon case and it's to sensitive. I agree I can't even go watch that movie after what has happened to Trayvon because there is no laughter. This thing is nationwide.

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Neighbourhood Watch- Official Trailer [HD] - YouTube

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zimmerman weeping in jail


http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/17/justic...dmn_topstories


Another analyst came to a similar conclusion using different technology.

The voice analysis is the latest piece of information to cast doubt on the narrative, advanced by Zimmerman and his family, that the Neighborhood Watch volunteer was attacked by 17-year-old Travyon Martin. A police video this week showed no blood or bruises on Zimmerman in the aftermath of the incident, while Martin's funeral director said he saw no signs of a struggle on the teen's body.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1394224.html

He didn't appear hurt or anything else."


Sanford, Florida (CNN) -- Someone has stepped up, reporting to have witnessed last month's shooting of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old whose death has sparked nationwide controversy. The witness detailed to CNN the Florida incident from what initially sounded like an argument to its fatal conclusion.

"It would have to be starting with hearing voices, but not seeing, and then, after the voices, opening a window and then seeing -- with two men or two people on the ground, one on top of each other," the witness, who has asked not to be identified, even by gender, told CNN's Anderson Cooper about the February 26 incident in a gated community in Sanford, Florida.

The witness reported hearing through a closed window voices from an area where residents typically walk their dogs. "I thought it was rather loud, but I had just shut my window because it had just started pouring out rain," the witness said. "And then I thought, 'Oh, my gosh, who's out there walking their dog in the rain?' "

But the witness did not immediately look outside to see what the commotion was about, according to the account. "I went and did something else, and then I heard the loud voices again," said the witness, who reported opening the window. "It definitely was a very loud, predominant voice," the witness said. "I couldn't hear the words but it was like, OK, this is not a regular conversation. This is someone aggressively, you know, yelling at someone."

Within a couple of seconds after the shots, one of the men "was walking toward where I was watching, and I could see him a little bit clearer. Could see that it was a Hispanic man. He didn't appear hurt or anything else."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/29/justic...html?hpt=hp_t1

stand your ground law does not protect zimmerman

Author and NRA member Dave Kopel says Florida law does not protect George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin shooting.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?iid=articl...-kopel-one.cnn

Zimmerman makes court appearance

Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, pursued him, frightened him, confronted him then shot him during a struggle, prosecutors alleged Thursday.

That's what the probable-cause affidavit filed Thursday by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey reveals. It is the first look at the criminal case that prosecutors plan to mount against Zimmerman.


The account is strikingly similar to the story that Trayvon's parents, the family's attorneys and civil-rights leaders have told for weeks — that Trayvon was an innocent victim hunted down and killed because he was black.

Herr found the affidavit legally sufficient to establish probable cause and ordered Zimmerman to appear for arraignment — when defendants formally enter a plea — on May 29 before Circuit Judge Jessica Recksiedler.

But the probable-cause affidavit, prepared by two investigators in her office, spelled out the bare bones of her case.

To Trayvon, it says, Zimmerman was a scary man, following him for some unknown reason. To Zimmerman, Trayvon was someone who was about to commit a crime, "a f------ punk," the affidavit said.

The affidavit offered evidence the state's position on three key points:

•"Zimmerman confronted Martin," it says, an apparent contradiction of Zimmerman's version of events.

•The state will argue that the voice heard crying for help in the background of one 911 call is Trayvon's. According to the affidavit, Trayvon's mother listened to the recording and identified the voice as her son's.

•State investigators will rely on the testimony of a friend of Trayvon's who told them she talked to the teenager on the phone in the lead-up to the shooting and heard the confrontation.

Based on the description, she appears to be the girl described by Martin family attorneys as his girlfriend.

When interviewed by state investigators, "The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn't know why," the affidavit said.

Trayvon tried to run home, the affidavit says, but Zimmerman ignored the advice of a police dispatcher and continued pursuing him on foot.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-show-accident

Thank you Natina for bringing us all up to speed in a natural order that was profoundly done.
Zimmerman with all the facts piled against him is going down and the Martins will win their law suit against the Sanford Police Dept.

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Zimmerman makes court appearance

Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, pursued him, frightened him, confronted him then shot him during a struggle, prosecutors alleged Thursday.

That's what the probable-cause affidavit filed Thursday by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey reveals. It is the first look at the criminal case that prosecutors plan to mount against Zimmerman.


The account is strikingly similar to the story that Trayvon's parents, the family's attorneys and civil-rights leaders have told for weeks — that Trayvon was an innocent victim hunted down and killed because he was black.

Herr found the affidavit legally sufficient to establish probable cause and ordered Zimmerman to appear for arraignment — when defendants formally enter a plea — on May 29 before Circuit Judge Jessica Recksiedler.

But the probable-cause affidavit, prepared by two investigators in her office, spelled out the bare bones of her case.

To Trayvon, it says, Zimmerman was a scary man, following him for some unknown reason. To Zimmerman, Trayvon was someone who was about to commit a crime, "a f------ punk," the affidavit said.

The affidavit offered evidence the state's position on three key points:

•"Zimmerman confronted Martin," it says, an apparent contradiction of Zimmerman's version of events.

•The state will argue that the voice heard crying for help in the background of one 911 call is Trayvon's. According to the affidavit, Trayvon's mother listened to the recording and identified the voice as her son's.

•State investigators will rely on the testimony of a friend of Trayvon's who told them she talked to the teenager on the phone in the lead-up to the shooting and heard the confrontation.

Based on the description, she appears to be the girl described by Martin family attorneys as his girlfriend.

When interviewed by state investigators, "The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn't know why," the affidavit said.

Trayvon tried to run home, the affidavit says, but Zimmerman ignored the advice of a police dispatcher and continued pursuing him on foot.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-show-accident

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There's no doubt that Zimmerman is going to jail he admitted doing the crime and self defense with the evidence against is not going to fly.

Gotta ask you a Question was her husband White? Or African american?

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Originally Posted by Willie Escalade

Look what can happen when one stands their ground.

http://moorbey.wordpress.com/2012/04...ars-in-prison/

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

Gotta ask you a Question was her husband White? Or African american?

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Don't know...:confused:

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Originally Posted by Willie Escalade

Don't know...:confused:

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Hmmmmmm I find it real suspicious I didn't see her husband yet they got a pic of her. Hmmmmm that's deep I am going to look into that.

2nd degree isn't going to fly, but they will get the lesser included manslaughter. I'm sure of it

It's funny how you whites (not all) can just look at another man's skin and assume that he is on welfare. Both of my parents have been working their butts off since they were teens, and they both have college degrees.
I'm pretty sure our family makes more money annually than your average "master race" family.

Sounds like a pretty guilty conscience to me.

Man slaughter? I doubt that because there is evidence that he went after Trayvon. He intended to kill him. Man slaughter would be like if he was chasing Trayvon and Trayvon got hit by a car because Zimmerman was chasing him. Zimmerman wouldn't have actually killed him but was the cause of Trayvon getting killed, so 2nd degree is right where it is.

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Originally Posted by south ov da border

2nd degree isn't going to fly, but they will get the lesser included manslaughter. I'm sure of it

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But if Caucasians look at African americans skin complexion and think they are on public assistance, then they should look at themselves, statistically Caucasians are on public assistance more than anyone. So if some do that then that's their ignorance calling because I am sure if they knew the statistics I am sure they would stop that.

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Originally Posted by prettyboy5

It's funny how you whites (not all) can just look at another man's skin and assume that he is on welfare. Both of my parents have been working their butts off since they were teens, and they both have college degrees.
I'm pretty sure our family makes more money annually than your average "master race" family.

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