Do TS's think they're 'better' than CD/TVs?

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Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

I would say "better" in the sense that doing things simply for a sexual thrill is not as admirable or impressive as being a self-actualized human being who's redefined their birth gender.

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Transvestism is not always a sexual thrill, and is in fact many things. There are countless manifestations because it is orginiated from one of a number of almost infinite brain developments. Therefore a TS is no better position to talk about what it is to be a TV than a TV knows what it is like to live their life as a TS.

Their is reasonable evidence to suggest that Transexuals have medical traits which indicate they are already inclined to the sex they identify with.

So being a TS is physical, while being a TV is something completely neurological. Like I say, for this reason TS's have every reason to want to make that distinction. Being a TS is something very medical and physical. Being a TV is not medical...unless you're a TS who decided not to make the change and still dress to identify... yes this is fuck side more complicated and this is why we should avoid using labels to generalise people altogether!

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Originally Posted by jennylicious

Transvestism is not always a sexual thrill, and is in fact many things. There are countless manifestations because it is orginiated from one of a number of almost infinite brain developments. Therefore a TS is no better position to talk about what it is to be a TV than a TV knows what it is like to live their life as a TS.

Their is reasonable evidence to suggest that Transexuals have medical traits which indicate they are already inclined to the sex they identify with.

So being a TS is physical, while being a TV is something completely neurological. Like I say, for this reason TS's have every reason to want to make that distinction. Being a TS is something very medical and physical. Being a TV is not medical...unless you're a TS who decided not to make the change and still dress to identify... yes this is fuck side more complicated and this is why we should avoid using labels to generalise people altogether!

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I think the problem arises when people compare cross dressers with transsexuals. We're women, and cross dressers identify as men... we don't want to be compared to men, that's insulting (and would be to any woman). It's not a matter of one being better than the other, it's a matter of one being women and the other being men.

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Originally Posted by jennylicious

Transvestism is not always a sexual thrill, and is in fact many things. There are countless manifestations because it is orginiated from one of a number of almost infinite brain developments. Therefore a TS is no better position to talk about what it is to be a TV than a TV knows what it is like to live their life as a TS.

Their is reasonable evidence to suggest that Transexuals have medical traits which indicate they are already inclined to the sex they identify with.

So being a TS is physical, while being a TV is something completely neurological. Like I say, for this reason TS's have every reason to want to make that distinction. Being a TS is something very medical and physical. Being a TV is not medical...unless you're a TS who decided not to make the change and still dress to identify... yes this is fuck side more complicated and this is why we should avoid using labels to generalise people altogether!

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Actually, I do think that you can make one huge generalization; the people who want to dress like women purely for a sexual thrill are a liability to transsexuals, transvestites, and drag queens. I may be perverse in terms of the B&D sex games I like to play. But the way I dress leaves me limp below the waist. I was more along the lines of, say, Pete Burns or one of these twinks that Ben posts so many photos of. I don't know what you call that. A fem boy maybe?

Someone told me that I was "genderfuct", which meant that I was androgynous and gender non-committal. That made sense to me. I never hid how I looked. I don't think I've owned a pair of boy's jeans or sunglasses since I was about 13. I've always liked makeup and getting my nails done. But I never did it for a sexual thrill. I got away with a lot, living in Manhattan where no one really cared. The whole taboo element of it was somewhat non-existent in the world I lived in.

But from what I understand, that's the real difference between a CD and a TV; a TV is just being who they are. So is a TS. But a CD gets horny from secretly, or sometimes not-so secretly, dressing as a caricature of a woman. To me, that's more like a Silence of the Lambs thing. I don't want to be associated with a part-time perversion.

And I mean that they're a liability in the sense that we do NOT want our gender identity to be thought of as a hobby that gives us an erection. CDs are so deep in the closet that they don't even understand their motivations. They briefly escape into their fantasy world, jek off, and then get right back to their wives and kids, etc. That's why, for example, we have so many of them coming to a place like HA, thinking they're "just one of the girls". They don't often bother thinking the complexities of it through. It's usually just a cheap, quick thrill for them.

And they basically confuse people, because they themselves are often so confused. And that slows down the process of the general public understanding and accepting us.

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Originally Posted by lovegolf22

Nicole... this is Hunter1959 from SDforme... we have exchanged mail there... can we chat at some point?

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Originally Posted by NatashaLover

Not Better but Different. No one in this planet is any better than anyone. But people have to understand that TS and CDs are very different. Sometimes people think that CDs are transsexuals without "tits" LOL and TS are transsexuals with "tits" LOL
At least that was the answer from a guy I asked. LOL :)

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According to this: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...7132322AAPshie
in simple language:
- TS is a woman who was born with man's body
- TG is someone who has problems defining his gender, but if its guy, its guy and if its woman its woman
- TV is only a guy who likes to wear women's clothes

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Originally Posted by maddygirl

I think the problem arises when people compare cross dressers with transsexuals. We're women, and cross dressers identify as men... we don't want to be compared to men, that's insulting (and would be to any woman). It's not a matter of one being better than the other, it's a matter of one being women and the other being men.

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Well thats true but i have noticed for myself that the best way for me to live is accept that i am a transsexual (as well as woman) because having to be something im not for someone that expects nothing else can put an undesired and wrong pressure on a relationship.... So to be selfconsciouss as a TS and thereby accepting that for some people TS will be mistaken by some for a TV is what was part of what made it work for me...

If i am shouting that im a real woman and i look down on CD's i hardly make myself more convincing as a woman...

Its a tactic....
In the same way i communicate with people i am close with that i am a ts with a female mind but a ts nevertheless and that i want to be with someone that has no problem with that...makes it muuuch easier for me to have no problem with it....

Makes life easier and comes more naturally then having to feel forced to prove you are a woman to a heterosexual man...its not that easy... You work harder on yourself and your looks...maybe become more insecure on the way etc...

Sometimes its best not to bet so high to get a million.
You get more acknowledgement for your gender when you dont force others to perceive you as such and when you give another the freedom of how they choose to see you and let them feel either way is fine there is a big chance they will only notice the woman you are...just the woman you are....

Dont try to convince anyone...just be yourself...thats my life's philosofy...and anyway...you dont have anything to prove anyway ...