The people on this board that scare me the most..

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Originally Posted by DarkThanos

I see EVERYTHING wrong in taking money from MY paycheck to provide assistance to a lazy, 24-year-old mother of 5...

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NEW YORK (1 Sept 2008) In a surprise announcement, the McCain campaign revealed today that Sarah and Todd Palin have announced that their 17-year-old unmarried daughter Bristol is pregnant. The couple said in a statement that Bristol will keep the baby.

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Gee DarkThanos, now your conservative candidate's daughter has something in common with all those "lazy, 24-year-old mother of 5" children that you gives you nightmares: they started breeding when they hadn't even finished high school yet. In fact, Bristol Palin has even dropped out of high school for the past 5 months. Now for sure she won't finish on time, if at all. Young pregnancy and early withdrawal from education are common tragedies in the lives of many mothers who receive government aid. They are not the "welfare queens" you imagine.

Even before her child can walk, it will join her mother and father in a life of dependency by receiving a ~$2000 per person check from the Alaskan government. That is the current yearly individual dividend from the state's fund for residents, which comes from a tax on oil companies operating in the state. This is in addition to the $1000 federal child tax credit that her parents will receive, just for having a child.

Those lazy Alaskans...they have no incentive to educate themselves and work, but instead just breed and live off your hard work, right? Can you vote for a VP candidate who won't do anything to stop such socialism? And if you feel that gas prices are too high, wouldn't it be fastest to just eliminate the tax on the oil companies in Alaska? Then the oil companies would lower their prices to you, right? Or is the Alaska Permanent Fund Dividend a giant wealth redistribution scheme?

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Originally Posted by trish

marissaazts suggests:

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how about we all just take personal responsibility when it comes to our own care and not force others to pay for it

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Do you think that the money you pay to the insurance company (if you're fortunate enough to have coverage) is enough to actually pay for a prolonged stay in the hospital? Do you think YOUR payments are sufficient to cover radiation therapy and other treatments you might require were you discovered to have cancer? Of course you don't. It's your payments and the payments of hundreds of thousands of other people who have been lucky enough never to have need help which would pay those bills. No one who needs the advances of modern medicene can possibly pay for their own treatments and surgeries. Somebody is paying for you whether you like it or not. As far as personal responsibility goes, government sponsored health-care is no different than private: the idea is that we all pay in and we all look after each other. The lucky ones are the one who never needed to pay at all. I favor government sponsored health because it will cover more people and its been proven to work very well in Canada, Great Britian, France and elsewhere in western Europe. Let's have a little mutual responsibility as well as personal. Remember it was Cain who asked "Am I my brother's keeper?"

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i actually pay all of my medical bills out of my own pocket and i have no ins. so no i do not wish to pay for others poor choices or poor health

oh and for the religous part of your comment i am an atheist and dont believe in those fairy tales either

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Originally Posted by DarkThanos

wow, ANOTHER witless wonder with reading deficiencies!

how many times must one state and restate who they do and don't vote for before it begins to sink in?

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Actually I don't see where you've said who you are voting for, but instead things like

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Obama is one of the most far left Democrats in the country, and his wife might be even worse...He makes Nancy Pelosi look like Ronald Reagan!

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which imply that you won't be voting Democratic this election, after having done so in 2000 and 2004. Why not just say that you will vote for Ron Paul or Bob Barr, and defend your choice. That's OK! Instead you always criticize other candidates using labels, without proposing your own.

So, what do you think about Alaskan "socialism"?

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Originally Posted by Tomfurbs

The point is, if you did have an NHS, the staff would be subject to National laws, not state ones, which would be more liberal and anti-discriminatory. Therefore if some crazy right-wing doc gave a poor standard of care or even refused to treat a GLBT patient, he would be struck from the register.

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You seem to be far more optimistic on this issue than I am. Like, I believe it was you (if not correct me, my memory is not perfect) who said that our country has a very large, very powerful christian fanatical population that constitutes a major faction in American political power distribution (I am paraphrasing here- not a direct quote).

It would at best be a gamble to hope that they'd "be struck from the register" especially if it were a national program.

Why? Because what is covered, and how well things are covered would change depending on which party is in control. You really expect stuff like proper reproductive rights, std treatments, and contraceptive to be properly distributed in a NHS system when there is a right winger president & right wing congress?

Unless a whole bunch of people die off in the Supreme Court we already have a conservative court thanks to Bush- that right there gives them a solid foundation from which to prevent a NHS system from covering these "social issues" - and since it would be the only game in town, if they don't cover it then suddenly access to all these "social issue treatments" would be greatly divided based on SEC standing in an America where discrimination against trans citizens is largely legal, largely ignored, and widespread (even if some in this thread would claim otherwise).

These treatments are badly enough split along SEC lines here today (w/out NHS), and if Canada is any case study to use for trans health care, NHS will make that even more divisive.

NHS in Canada for trans health care will pay for some treatments (srs, hrt) if you play their games, but they're not ethical games (Canadian health care still greatly follows Blanchard ideologies- I am assuming to keep this short you know who this asshat is and what his views are). Since you have to deal with this blachard BULLSHIT (and it is bullshit), the trans patient is often best off not going the Canadian NHS route for their treatments... which means going into private health care out of pocket, IF they can afford it.

The one thing I like about American health care, as a trans patient, is being able to go somewhere else when I run into people in the medical community who are these types of asshats, and when those asshats get into policymaking positions their power (and damage) is limited in scope because I can just go to another practice.

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i actually pay all of my medical bills out of my own pocket

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So far. I certainly hope you will always be able to continue to pay them as well. Good health to you...without insurance, no matter how affluent you are, you'll need it.

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i actually pay all of my medical bills out of my own pocket and i have no ins. so no i do not wish to pay for others poor choices or poor health

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Well I don't know how old or healthy you are, & that all sounds very Ron Paul rugged individualist & all, but I hope you realize that the only people who ever pay full retail price for healthcare are those who pay out of pocket.

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Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC

I know I am going to get the some heat for this, but I have never been one to not speak up.

The people who scare me the most on this board are those that support the anti gay, anti transgender, social conservative movement of the Republican party.

These are the same people who will rally agaisnt gay rights, make homophobic-transphobic remarks around their friends-but all the while want a big shemale (or male) dick in their ass or mouths. The hypocrosy is almost unbearable. The sexually repressed and disturbed. Those who can't deal with their sexuality so they socially conspire agaisnt it.

I can't- CAN"T-understand how anyone on this board, or part of any alternative lifestyle board and erotic material consumer can possibly support this party. It makes NO sense to me.

What's even more disturbing, are the ones who are independents, yet will do nothing to support a socially progressive party (compared to the other
morons).

Maybe someone can explain?

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Sorry, I got to the party very late, but I have always wondered the same thing. I just started reading this thread, so maybe the mystery will be solved within. When I was new to this board, someone ask the same question. The reigning conservative was Guyone. His answer was just to call people names, like “Marxists” without even addressing the question.

I have noticed this a lot from several right wingers. They throw around terms like; ultra liberal, socialist, and a long list of others, without even talking about any specific issues. And if bring a specific issue, like almost 2 million Americans file bankruptcy every year, because they cannot pay medical bills, they often go ballistic and never address the specific issue, or try to change to one of the pet issues. I did notice that when someone could not hold their own in a discussion with Allanah, they attacked her occupation instead.

I am beginning to wonder if it is some sort of mind control, going here, where they cannot use reasoning, but only react and use pre-programmed code words.

I am very proud of Allanah for raising her political voice, even though she never answered my e-mail.

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Originally Posted by tsmandy

Poor people on welfare are an easy punching bag. For the last 30 years the right wing has used racist imagery and played on white peoples prejudices about lazy welfare queens, while simultaneously robbing the American public of trillions of dollars. Corporate welfare, the kind of welfare that Republicans have no problem with because it benefits those who already have wealth and power; drastically outweighs public assistance programs. The US is the most miserly nation in the developed world when it comes to caring for its indigent. Instead of talking about the tremendous wealth gap that exists, and how to lessen it, the media and politicians blame the impoverished.

Allanah brought up a simple question, how people can claim to love a group of people and then support policies that harm us?

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:claps :claps :claps Yes, yes, yes!

On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfield held a press conference where he said that his department had spent 2.5 TRILLION dollars that it could not be accounted for. I read where there 800 cases of fraud pending, where contractors are accused of overcharging the goverment. The goverment has been able to collect over 14 million dollars, winning fraud cases, since Bush has been in office.

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Originally Posted by hippifried

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i actually pay all of my medical bills out of my own pocket and i have no ins. so no i do not wish to pay for others poor choices or poor health

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Well I don't know how old or healthy you are, & that all sounds very Ron Paul rugged individualist & all, but I hope you realize that the only people who ever pay full retail price for healthcare are those who pay out of pocket.

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actually thatis false my sig other had an emergency last summer and the bill for the er was $3800 and if we paid with in a week it was $750

i take blood thinners because im alergic to asprin and i am prone to clotting so w/hormones and such and i have a monthly visit to be tested for my inr it was $75 charge to ins and being cash pay its $30

Marissaazts exclaims:

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i do not wish to pay for others ... poor health

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i actually pay all of my medical bills out of my own pocket

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So your position is: things are just la dee dah for me, so screw everybody else.

An argument of equivalent logical merit and higher moral merit is:

Let's pass universal health care, make it the law that everybody contributes and screw the whiners.