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Originally Posted by bezane

But what if my TS girl had SRS? I don't want her to. Thank God she doesn't want to. Why does that make a difference to me? This used to make me uncomfortable. Now it doesn't. Why? Personally I don't care. But there might be something a bit gay about it. So what.

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Forget gay, the fact that you don't want her to ever have SRS and say "Thank god she doesn't want it" actually makes you an asshole.

I would love and support my girl and hope that one day she achieves her true goal, and has SRS.

I know a girl who I like very much, she is young and gorgeous and she wants SRS pretty soon and I know that I will find her just as attractive after as I did before, because I like her, for her and not just her cock, and I guess that goes some way to explaining why I don't see myself as gay! In fact I told her I thnk it is a great idea and she is perfect either way.

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Originally Posted by tsntx

guys that ACTUALLY date ts women know the difference...

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throwing my worthless 2 cents in there like usual:

from my limited experience of a LTR with a TS (does one year already qualify as "LTR"?) and a total outsider to the "TS-mindset" (I dont even try to iunderstand what and why...) I have to say: she was just as much "girlie" as my GG-relationships (beeing into hairdo, makeup, fashion, going out etc) - minus the period and minus hang-ups regarding accepting a good assplough.

I am aware that this statement is based on ONE single experience, but that doesnt prevent me like the majority on this board to generalize :lol:

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Originally Posted by lust4ts

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Originally Posted by bezane

But what if my TS girl had SRS? I don't want her to. Thank God she doesn't want to. Why does that make a difference to me? This used to make me uncomfortable. Now it doesn't. Why? Personally I don't care. But there might be something a bit gay about it. So what.

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Forget gay, the fact that you don't want her to ever have SRS and say "Thank god she doesn't want it" actually makes you an asshole.

I would love and support my girl and hope that one day she achieves her true goal, and has SRS.

I know a girl who I like very much, she is young and gorgeous and she wants SRS pretty soon and I know that I will find her just as attractive after as I did before, because I like her, for her and not just her cock, and I guess that goes some way to explaining why I don't see myself as gay! In fact I told her I thnk it is a great idea and she is perfect either way.

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Save the asshole comment tough guy. I know it's the internet and I know you're tougher than all the other people on the internet. You don't know me. I've never directed anything at you. I've been nothing but respectful here.

People keep basing it on sex too. There are a lot of women, that us strap-ons on their husbands/boyfriends. Like to imagine they have one, get it sucked on and to plow them. I don't think sex is all that important on this.

People keep basing it on sex too. There are a lot of women, that us strap-ons on their husbands/boyfriends. Like to imagine they have one, get it sucked on and to plow them. I don't think sex is all that important on this. Would you call that guy gay getting it up the butt from his wives strap-on? NO..experimentive..YES but not gay.

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Originally Posted by SmashysmashY

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Originally Posted by tsntx

no just when ure wrong :D

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tsntx i will give up all my beliefs for a couple handfuls of that booty. just kidding i can't be wrong nobody can because we're basing everything on feelings now.

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hows this for "feelings"

i, a transexual woman of 4.5yrs, find it INCREDIBLY insulting and nothing makes me FEEL more disgusted, more frustrated, more like ive wasted my money and my time, more like a fucking fag in drag ... then hearing a bunch of guys say the same thing about a CD as they do a TS

did i really spend $30k so i could live, eat, shit, pass, and function as a woman and be accepted as a woman by society and the men that make up this stupid board JUST TO LEARN THAT I COULD HAVE FUCKING STAYED LOOKING LIKE *see picture* THIS AND PUT ON A STUPID WIG AND SOME CHEAP ASS LIPSTICK AND I WOULD BE GETTING JUST AS MUCH RESPECT, ADMERATION, AND APPLAUSE FROM YALL???
it makes no difference? do you assholes realise how much easier ANY OF OUR *real ts's* LIVES WOULD BE HAD WE ALL JUST STAYED FUCKING MEN?
if i knew i would get seen the SAME FUCKING WAY whether i looked like this *pic a* or this *pic b* by the majority of society ... i would have just stayed that way.... everything would have been so much more simple....

this is why i say men that ACTUALLY date ts women understand the difference.... the rest of you fags just need the appearance to stay in the fantasy, you dont really want anything other then a cock in 'pretty' package... and thats why as far as im concerned this topic, at least for me, IS OVER... the guys that sympathize and understand where im coming from and appreciate the work we put into ourselves already know this... and the losers that dont and argue against me for fags in drag ... are fags... and thus not worth anymore of time... i charge douchebags that like to play pretend... and the trial offer is up.


do you understand NOW what the fuck were *ts's* upset about when you fags say shit like this thread?

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nice tantrum. i didn't make this world and i didn't make people label you gay and i didn't make you insecure about it. shit, i didn't even make this thread. i just expressed my opinion on a forum love it or hate it.

Just as I thought......


NOBODY can say who is and who isn't a TS. Every single poster on this thread has said something different and contradictory about it.

Some have said you are born feeling that way, others have said you start as a CD then move along the scale towards TS, others have said it's based on action and commitment, not words & feelings.

As for me, I don't care one way or the other. I live my life according to my rules and reality.... just like the rest of you! :wink:



And then there is Lust4ts who doesn't really understand the entire topic, but he wants everyone to know he's not gay. Ok, got it. Duly noted. :roll: :deadhorse


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I'm sure you're a true beauty TrueBeauty. I don't know but something tells me you are. Neither here nor there. And I'm sure you can turn on a coma victim when you're looking all dolled up or doing a come hither look. That goes for a ton of girls here. But the reason why most of the guys here post 1000's of posts each and drool like school kids is not because of the 100% woman quality. Because I'm sure they're not posting on GG sites.

I think Kelly is right too. She feels (and looks) like a woman. And my inner detective senses that. I view her as that. But I lust for her as a whole. And that can't be construed as 100% heterosexual. Sorry. And I personal though feel 100% NORMAL as her admirer. And no man is going to take me away from her!!!

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Originally Posted by bezane

But what if my TS girl had SRS? I don't want her to. Thank God she doesn't want to. Why does that make a difference to me? This used to make me uncomfortable. Now it doesn't. Why? Personally I don't care. But there might be something a bit gay about it. So what.

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Forget gay, the fact that you don't want her to ever have SRS and say "Thank god she doesn't want it" actually makes you an asshole.

I would love and support my girl and hope that one day she achieves her true goal, and has SRS.

I know a girl who I like very much, she is young and gorgeous and she wants SRS pretty soon and I know that I will find her just as attractive after as I did before, because I like her, for her and not just her cock, and I guess that goes some way to explaining why I don't see myself as gay! In fact I told her I thnk it is a great idea and she is perfect either way.

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Save the asshole comment tough guy. I know it's the internet and I know you're tougher than all the other people on the internet. You don't know me. I've never directed anything at you. I've been nothing but respectful here.

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I apoligise for calling you an asshole, I am not an internet tough guy, most people here probably see me as just the opposite! You may be an upstanding guy in general, but those comments about your girl, are ones that would be held by an "asshole".

The fact that you imply that you would not want her without her cock, kind of tells me enough to make that assumption without actually knowing your full person, personality and other believes.

I was once about the cock too, and admit initially liking transwomen for that reason, but it is no longer a disurning factor in my attraction. Whether a transwomen has a cock or pussy, they are no less beautiful and/or appealing either way.

I have no stronger desire to be with a TS than a GG, because I view them all simply as women. I actually only really come to this forum for the community, the fact that I have met and interacted with cool people that just happen to be TG (one in particular) is another reason why I stay.

And that goes back to my point, I see my self as being different to a large number of the people here, how do I know, because I was once like them, but people change and grow and I have. Does that make me any less gay, who knows, but I do feel I am a better person than them because I honestly have no preference when it comes to a girls genitalia. And I sincerely do view transwomen as just women and whether they decide to have SRS is not an issue to me. Do I think a cock looks attractive on a girl still? Yes! Do I think a pussy, be it SRS is any less so? NO!

If it makes me sound pompus, then so be it. But some of the guys here make me cringe when it comes to the way they view the people they probably spend most of their time jacking off over, this is not aimed at you, as you said, I don't know you, I can only judge you on your comments, which I have and apart from the asshole thing, fairly too I feel!

No wonder so many girls hold malice to these guys who just obsess over thier cocks, the very notion must be sickening. And some of these people act like these girls should be grateful for them even acknowledging them for that :roll:

Ok I am going to say this, forget the gay thing, people judge that how they want.

I could never be with a partime cross dresser, how ever good they look, because in my mind that is not a real person. Knowing that when that person takes off that wig and makeup there is a whole other person underneath, I myself find too strange and disturbing to ever consider them as women, if that makes me an "asshole" well then so be it!

That being said I have no problem with guys who do find them attractive, what I have a problem with is them viewing themselves as being no different to me!

lust4ts.....never said I didn't want her anymore if she went sans cock. Being supportive of her is a given. Any decent human being would at least do that. But her change would kind of be a shade different than a haircut.

I can think of 20 TS girls I personally know that I would be attracted to at a party even if I didn't have privy info. But if I was alone with her and unbuttoned her jeans and she said "wait, we need to talk," well I have to be honest.....instead of eating and fucking I'm thinking sucking and fucking and that has a shade more turn on for me. At least sometimes. Okay. Admittedly it only does it for me when the girl is "ALL GIRL" no man-in-wig syndrome for me. But I wouldn't be honest if I said "IT" didn't turn me on.

That Gia Darling chick for example is cute as a button. When I hang with her at a party I'm a bit blown away at her smoothness. She is such a little girl. But what sets her apart from all the other smooth little girls is that cock. Can't get around it.

I'm can only operate based on my feelings. Her feelings may be more important to me than mine, but as far as "operating" it's all me. And her cock makes the experience richer. Not one girl that hangs with me or fucks me thinks there's one thing gay about me. The people that know me with my TS girlfriend and aren't knowledgeable about TS are somewhat mystified in a "I'd never would of guessed it about him" sense. I'll spill it one step further. And I'm not ashamed to say I kind of forced myself to roll around with a couple of different guys because, why not? I hated it. Wasn't into it. Had trouble getting it on. In the end I have never bottomed for anyone man or TS. Never fucked a man. But I have an element of gayness to me, and my TS girl is a total fem knockout. I fight, box, mixed martial arts here in Vegas as a hobby. Hang out with a couple of UFC guys. I feel as I'm a sweet, sensitive guy that comes off that way if you talk to me but if you don't I seem a bit rugged. I only go to Gipsys (gay bar) to see a GG that bartends there that I'm infatuated with. Guys hit on me all the time there. Not even a twinge do I feel. But that fact that I sleep with a TS girl with gusto, and she feels 100% woman, still leaves a gayness about me. Yikes!!!! Next thing I'll be doing pride parades.

And just an endnote, being a life long resident of NYC, throwing parties for every walk of life, and having a ton of friends that are from the "hardcore" gay community, well they react to me dating a TS with a bit of a grimace, kind of the same grimace as me eating tons of pussy all the time. But they much prefer "their straight friend" to eat the pussy.

I guess for me aspiring to not defining it, is as important to me as others defining themselves as straight is to them. I personally feel more evolved. I hope the TS girls here feel that way about themselves. And about me.

Think about the concept of "Guys wanting to see their girlfriends do a lesbo act." Big mistake if she hasn't done it before. Cause if you love her, and she decides pussy is great, you can never compete with that. I can't be a pussy for my girl. Sometimes fantasies are best kept as just that. Well GG's can't always compete with TS's. Enjoy that girls.