The TS Jessy Dubai Case

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Originally Posted by Post Op Preferred

I don't know if there is a connection, but this article may relate to Jessi's case. Your federal tax dollars at work
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...ek-in-colorado
Note, most of the arrests mentioned in this article were for prostitution. Great use of FBI resources in the weeks leading to Orlando. Way to go, FBBi's.

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Really? A guy was arrested for attempting to "buy" a 7 year old and you are upset with this? I think prostitution should be legal as much as the next guy but 7 year olds? Like it or not, prostitution is illegal and who are we to question who should be investigated or not.

None of us know the facts of Jessy's case but if she was arrested for human trafficking, it could be as simple as she gave a girl a ride or she was paying for a hotel room for another girl.

People need to let the free market system work. Banning prostitution is an example of big government and unintended consequences. Isn't it our bodies and we have the right to choose?

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Originally Posted by BostonBad

People need to let the free market system work. Banning prostitution is an example of big government and unintended consequences. Isn't it our bodies and we have the right to choose?

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Which is fine when those individuals have made that choice for themselves and not been coerced or forced into it.

To quote directly (with emphasis added) from the article, "Of the adults arrested, nine were arrested for trafficking and 26 were arrested for prostitution, the FBI said."
I commend the FBI for arresting the perv who solicited the 7 year old, and as far as I'm concerned they can cut off his dick and balls and feed them to the dogs. But why is the FBI using this useful endeavor as a pretext for running stings to bust hookers, possibly including Jessi?
As others have noted, human trafficking laws are vague and over broad, and have become a tool of choice in the Feminazi's war on prostitution.
this bust produced both a good outcome, taking Denver resident James Brent Anderson out of circulation, and some bad ones for the 26 escorts.
It leaves me feeling that we have another "War on Drugs" in the making, with Jessi as one of its victims. And look how that war turned out. World beating incarceration rates, wholesale havoc in minority communities, and a drug problem which has metastasized into the white middle classes.
As Sherman said, Wars are hell. Hobbyists, you could be next on the firing line.

Bail is at the discretion of the court and sometimes it is not correlated to the crime. Flight risk and/or continuous danger to the community are the determining factors at a bail hearing. $40,000 or $100,000 it doesn't matter, there is really no guideline to the amount made in bail. In addition, when your are arrested you can be held 24-48 hours before you have a bail hearing. Failure to do so can result in you being free to go. So with those factors, there is not much to go on unless you know what she has been charged with.

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Originally Posted by Lovecox

It makes me happy to say that I personally know, or have seen working, trans women who have "regular" jobs like anyone else outside of the sex industry: an attorney; a paralegal; a salesperson at Home Depot; a salesperson at IKEA; 2 who work at the makeup dept in Macy's; a hairdresser; a parking lot attendant; a maid at a hotel; and one who works at Starbucks. I live in Los Angeles and maybe there is more tolerance here but most of these jobs do not require a privileged background that affords ample educational opportunities early in life nor the luck of the draw. However, they do require consistency, punctuality, patience, the tolerance to work with others, and the desire to blend into the mainstream. I recognize that not all TS women may want those things.

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um all of those jobs you named are low paying jobs where it would be next to impossible to have 30k sitting around in the bank which is the point of what nikka, steven, and wendy were saying.

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Originally Posted by Lovecox

It makes me happy to say that I personally know, or have seen working, trans women who have "regular" jobs like anyone else outside of the sex industry: an attorney; a paralegal;

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Attorney & paralegal = great news! :cool:

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Originally Posted by Post Op Preferred

To quote directly (with emphasis added) from the article, "Of the adults arrested, nine were arrested for trafficking and 26 were arrested for prostitution, the FBI said."
I commend the FBI for arresting the perv who solicited the 7 year old, and as far as I'm concerned they can cut off his dick and balls and feed them to the dogs. But why is the FBI using this useful endeavor as a pretext for running stings to bust hookers, possibly including Jessi?
As others have noted, human trafficking laws are vague and over broad, and have become a tool of choice in the Feminazi's war on prostitution.
this bust produced both a good outcome, taking Denver resident James Brent Anderson out of circulation, and some bad ones for the 26 escorts.
It leaves me feeling that we have another "War on Drugs" in the making, with Jessi as one of its victims. And look how that war turned out. World beating incarceration rates, wholesale havoc in minority communities, and a drug problem which has metastasized into the white middle classes.
As Sherman said, Wars are hell. Hobbyists, you could be next on the firing line.

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Prostitution in Colorado is a misdemeanor. Again, she is facing multiple charges including one charge that is a felony. We have no clue what those charges are except "human trafficking". If it is human trafficking, there is another person involved. So, it isn't simple prostitution. Jessi might not be a victim. TS "stars" have fallen to the dark side before. For example, Sylvia Boots murdered somebody and Sheeba Starr killed somebody in a car crash while she fled the police.

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Originally Posted by christianxxx

um all of those jobs you named are low paying jobs where it would be next to impossible to have 30k sitting around in the bank which is the point of what nikka, steven, and wendy were saying.

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True, but she also said she went from being fine to 75k in debt in 3 days. No idea what her financial situation is or what is actually going on, but she wasn't completely lacking resources.

Here is the Colorado statute on human trafficking18-3-501. Trafficking in adults. (1) A person commits trafficking in adults if he
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(a) Sells, exchanges, barters, or leases an adult and receives any money or other consideration or thing of value for the adult as a result of such transaction; or (b) Receives an adult as a result of a transaction described in paragraph (a) of this subsection (1). ]
(2) As used in this section, "adult" means a person eighteen years of age or older.
(3) Trafficking in adults is a class 3 felony unless the adult or adults who have been trafficked are illegally present in the United States, in which case trafficking in
Colorado Revised Statutes 2013 Title 18 247
adults is a class 2 felony.
So the state claims Jessi received something of value in exchange for arranging some P4P. So does the player on the opposite side of the transaction. So hobbyists, beware.
Prosecutors routinely overcharge defendants to squeeze them for plea bargains and or to snitch.
since this very broad statute used aggressively is a threat to everyone in the game, it behooves this board to support Jessi's defense

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Originally Posted by Post Op Preferred

Here is the Colorado statute on human trafficking18-3-501. Trafficking in adults. (1) A person commits trafficking in adults if he
or she:
(a) Sells, exchanges, barters, or leases an adult and receives any money or other consideration or thing of value for the adult as a result of such transaction; or (b) Receives an adult as a result of a transaction described in paragraph (a) of this subsection (1). ]
(2) As used in this section, "adult" means a person eighteen years of age or older.
(3) Trafficking in adults is a class 3 felony unless the adult or adults who have been trafficked are illegally present in the United States, in which case trafficking in
Colorado Revised Statutes 2013 Title 18 247
adults is a class 2 felony.
So the state claims Jessi received something of value in exchange for arranging some P4P. So does the player on the opposite side of the transaction. So hobbyists, beware.
Prosecutors routinely overcharge defendants to squeeze them for plea bargains and or to snitch.
since this very broad statute used aggressively is a threat to everyone in the game, it behooves this board to support Jessi's defense

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I know the urge is to think it may be something that is not there. It is better to just wait. Time will give a better clarity to the situation nor should we speculate with this very vague and sparse information. I don't know how you come to the conclusion of what happened, since there is little facts to indicate what crime she was alleged committing. If you have more information than what she vaguely shared we would be willing to listen. Until then, we don't know. It becomes dangerous to make an assumption with little to no information.

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Originally Posted by lifeisfiction

I know the urge is to think it may be something that is not there. It is better to just wait. Time will give a better clarity to the situation nor should we speculate with this very vague and sparse information. I don't know how you come to the conclusion of what happened, since there is little facts to indicate what crime she was alleged committing. If you have more information than what she vaguely shared we would be willing to listen. Until then, we don't know. It becomes dangerous to make an assumption with little to no information.

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I am not asserting any conclusion about her guilt or innocence other than that we can reasonable infer the basic outline of the State's trafficking charge by examining the applicable statute.
the facts of the case will be determined in court. it would be very counterproductive for Jessi or any witnesses to elaborate here since they could be used in court, and could even waive the 5th amendment against self incrimination.
Patience is not going to pay for her lawyer. The State's power over defendants is intimidating and coercive. the presumption of innocence has value only if the defendant backs it up with a vigorous defense. that's all that she's asking. I am stunned by the lack of sympathy for her on this board, since any participant in P4P is vulnerable. If you are tarring Jessi with the guilt of the guy who wanted the 7 yo you are mistaken. trafficking in persons under 18 is a separate and more serious crime.

I see a new movie of Jessy Dubai on www.shemale.xxx :)

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Originally Posted by Post Op Preferred

I am not asserting any conclusion about her guilt or innocence other than that we can reasonable infer the basic outline of the State's trafficking charge by examining the applicable statute.
the facts of the case will be determined in court. it would be very counterproductive for Jessi or any witnesses to elaborate here since they could be used in court, and could even waive the 5th amendment against self incrimination.
Patience is not going to pay for her lawyer. The State's power over defendants is intimidating and coercive. the presumption of innocence has value only if the defendant backs it up with a vigorous defense. that's all that she's asking. I am stunned by the lack of sympathy for her on this board, since any participant in P4P is vulnerable. If you are tarring Jessi with the guilt of the guy who wanted the 7 yo you are mistaken. trafficking in persons under 18 is a separate and more serious crime.

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You didn't read what I wrote. I wanted to know how do you know what she is being charged with? I haven't heard anything beyond a vague statement by her.

So regardless, you hope for the best, you wish her the best, and keep jerking off to her movies.

I enjoy her movies and I genuinely feel bad that she has to go through all of this, but I am not donating a dime until I know what's going on... I would like to help but until she is forthcoming I will hold off on giving anything!

I see she moved her tweets to protected now.

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Originally Posted by PotatoParty

I see she moved her tweets to protected now.

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I know a girl in the UK in a process of a trial and she is protected as well.... so everytime u mean someone with protected twitter account is not good :)

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Originally Posted by Nikka

I know a girl in the UK in a process of a trial and she is protected as well.... so everytime u mean someone with protected twitter account is not good :)

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I would think it falls under "Anything you say can and will be used against you." So I bet her attorney told her to ax the social media.

She did explain a little more about what happen. Let google cache be your friend, if you want to know more.

For someone supposedly facing 25 to life, according to her reddit post, she sure seems awfully happy and carefree on Chaturbate...
Her Twitter isn't protected either...

But seriously. How do you go from being a witness to getting 25 to life?
Something just seems off about the whole thing...IMO.

Sadness doesn't get tokens unless I missed the memo on it being popular. . She has to be upbeat and fun. I wouldn't expect anything else (she really can put on happy face when she needs it).

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Originally Posted by lifeisfiction

Sadness doesn't get tokens unless I missed the memo on it being popular. . She has to be upbeat and fun. I wouldn't expect anything else (she really can put on happy face when she needs it).

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Oh,I get it. I see it when I mod there and the girls get mad and cover it up as fast as they can...I'm just saying that to me it doesn't look like a cover....I can usually see through that,but if she's really good at it, I wouldn't.

she is online, so that is good news I guess... for her :)

https://es.chaturbate.com/tsjessydubai/

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Originally Posted by GroobySteven

I'm not sure if I know that many people with $30k sitting in the bank?

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she's been i the business for years. she has her own site with her own content.

i'm not knocking her, just surprising porn stars aren't rolling in it.

What reddit post? & what further explanation?

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Originally Posted by holzz

she's been i the business for years. she has her own site with her own content.

i'm not knocking her, just surprising porn stars aren't rolling in it.

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How much money do you think porn stars make? Done correctly, I'm sure it can provide a comfortable living but I'm sure she's not rolling in it. Why do you think a lot of them turn to escorting?

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Originally Posted by bigkid69

Why do you think a lot of them turn to escorting?

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Greed

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Originally Posted by Nikka

Greed

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Sure, but if every porn star was rolling in money, there would be no need for any of them to escort.

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Originally Posted by Nikka

Greed

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not only is that pithy comment incorrect, but coming from a TS as well makes it worse.

The girls turn to escorting bc its the most money they can make in this world in order to further along their transition. FFS, rhinoplasty, hormones, butt implants, boob jobs, etc - that all costs big bucks.

Being a TS means that most of the normal corporate world is going to turn their back on you. Being a TS also means that being passable and left alone in a normal corporate or higher educational environment is almost impossible.

read the message I got today ....

That's messed up, considering they would take most of her money . I mean , she sounds naive,, she thinks 27 is to ...ouch...it does prove your point of course.

Probably a chaser getting off on the fantasy lol

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Originally Posted by christianxxx

The girls turn to escorting bc its the most money they can make in this world in order to further along their transition. FFS, rhinoplasty, hormones, butt implants, boob jobs, etc - that all costs big bucks.

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THIS!

Where else are the girls going to make the $30-100K it takes to get to the level of transition that they want?
Don't forget about the laser hair removal...lol That can be between $3-7K.

Ahem ... let's face it, it's not only to fund their transition but where else can they make that sort of money, without working 60 hrs a week in a corporation. They're using their assets, most are confident and comfortable what they're doing, their freelance/self-employed and like any job, those with the skills and talents, can do rather well.

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Originally Posted by bigkid69

How much money do you think porn stars make? Done correctly, I'm sure it can provide a comfortable living but I'm sure she's not rolling in it. Why do you think a lot of them turn to escorting?

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it's a shitload of passive income. the real tops performers are millionaires, or are doing OK. Mia Isabella (retired, granted), Madison Hinton to name but two. Jessy is also top of the line, so it's surprising that she doesn't make much or cannot afford $30,000.

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Originally Posted by holzz

it's a shitload of passive income. the real tops performers are millionaires, or are doing OK. Mia Isabella (retired, granted), Madison Hinton to name but two. Jessy is also top of the line, so it's surprising that she doesn't make much or cannot afford $30,000.

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You're an idiot. Seriously, a fucking informed, ignorant and utter idiot.

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Originally Posted by holzz

it's a shitload of passive income. the real tops performers are millionaires, or are doing OK. Mia Isabella (retired, granted), Madison Hinton to name but two. Jessy is also top of the line, so it's surprising that she doesn't make much or cannot afford $30,000.

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this is literally the dumbest most idiotic thing i have read in a long long long time. holy shit. do some fans truly believe this nonsense? seriously?

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Originally Posted by christianxxx

this is literally the dumbest most idiotic thing i have read in a long long long time. holy shit. do some fans truly believe this nonsense? seriously?

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From the outside looking in, thats what it appears to be. But its just not common knowledge, majority of Americans don't even know the producers are the ones that make the big money in the traditional film industry.

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Originally Posted by CaptainPlanet

From the outside looking in, thats what it appears to be. But its just not common knowledge, majority of Americans don't even know the producers are the ones that make the big money in the traditional film industry.

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I'd argue with you there. From the outside looking in it's pretty clear that porn performers (straight/gay/Transsexual/whatever) generally appear in loads and loads of videos, aside from all the extras such as web-camming, escorting for some, appearing at strip clubs and such. If you're earning millions as suggested below you just don't do so much. Aside from all that it's the hardest time in years to make big money in porn with free tube sites stealing content and 'fans' watching it there rather than supporting the performers/producers how can we expect many of them to really rake in the cash. Movie and TV stars who earn the big bucks either shoot 2-3 films a year or star in one TV show with a large episode commitment and get paid millions for it, Tom Cruise isn't selling pics on snapchat and Jennifer Lawrence doesn't need to dance at a strip club to supplement her income. Whilst the porn industry creates a viable income for some and a very large income for a few you could probably count the millionaires on one hand I'd guess.

Perhaps the majority of watchers are just completely devoid of all common sense and can't work all that out - I can believe that.