HBO's John Oliver had a pretty dope skit about how Trump really pays for his campaign...
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HBO's John Oliver had a pretty dope skit about how Trump really pays for his campaign...
I am convinced the people who support Trump do not listen to the things he says. One would expect any candidate who mocks a former prisoner of war, mimics the movements of a disabled man, or accuses Mexicans of being rapists would have no shot at the presidency. But he has a certain bluster that appeals to people...
Yet I find him obnoxious not purely because of ideology but because he shows a striking lack of competency. In interviews he appears to not only have a poor grasp of public policy but to barely understand how our government works. He has now had months to discuss these matters with advisors and he's still clueless because he's too arrogant to take advice. He's more articulate than Sarah Palin (the average toddler is), but he's not any more informed.
Let's hope he loses in the general election and we can forget that he was even a mainstream candidate. And while I don't want to openly mock anyone for supporting him, I do urge his supporters to listen to any extemporaneous remarks he's made about foreign or domestic policy. If he knows nothing about the world, how can he solve today's problems?
I'd like to target this one because I've heard conservatives attack the patriotism of Democrats from time to time.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
How is this not disqualifying? I'm not a McCain supporter and voted for Obama in 2008, but there's no way I would have voted for Obama if he laughed at McCain for being a prisoner of war. I'd love to hear Trump supporters explain this one.
Is it not problematic that your choice for President mocked a soldier who was captured, tortured, who refused special treatment, and remains disabled to this day from his captivity? Please explain to me how this does not show an inexcusable lack of respect for our military?
Let's not mention his misogyny. If any man would condone the absolute discustiing way he treats women, well I hope you think of your mother , sister, wife, or gf. This man is a bigot. Those are the old days.
Most of us are beyond this fear mongering and bigotry.
Let's hope peace prevales.
You are right mate, wonder how many partners Christian would have to film with if trump got into office.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
Walls and all
That definition .... fits Hillary to a T.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
3rd party canidates ftw in '16
People forget that when McCain was a prisoner of war at the Hanoi Hilton, he was given chance to go home early but CHOSE to stay with the rest of his American soldiers.
I don't agree with hardly anything McCain believes when it comes to domestic and foreign policy and I suspect his alleged incompetence as a pilot was part of the reason his F1 got shot down, but McCain's record as a POW IMO is unassailable.
When the man was tested as a POW, he stood up as a hero.
The fact the Republican party pisses on military service nowadays and allows any major presidential candidate to attack McCain's war record tells me as an observer the GOP is on the verge of imploding.
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Originally Posted by SP27
At least Hillary has a career record to contradict this assertion.
Trump has for the most part done NOTHING in his entire life that didn't accrue some benefit to himself.
Trump first made headlines in the early 1970s because he wouldn't allow Blacks to rent from his properties.smh.
The GOP is supporting a fox to be in control of the hen house.
If Trump is elected, I promise you he will bump Nixon, Truman and Dubya as the biggest presidential failures in U.S. history.
As broncofan already explained, Trump doesn't know how the federal government works, believes our entire bureaucracy is filled with incompetents, and has no desire to LEARN how all three branches of government are supposed to work in concert together.
A recipe for disaster.
How is that going to be any worse than Hillary placing a "FSBO" sign on the white house lawn the day after she gets elected? (and yes, i believe she will be elected.) Guess it will be business as usual for her. Can't wait for graft and corruption to hit epic proportions after 11/16.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
I am not arguing for trump. don't try to paint me in that light. But I am also not supporting hillary. I think she is even more venal and malicious than Trump. She is not a good person.
enough politics for me... peace out.
Hermaphrodites for Hellary
Ladyboys for Bernie
Shemales for Stein
Oh give me a break, this entire forum is based on objectification lolQuote:
Originally Posted by sean1916
😁, not sure if I agree with that. However, none of us here are running for PresidentQuote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
As a Transsexual woman I could NOT vote for a man who wants to add a conservative to the Supreme Court, over turn Gay Marriage, and has the temper of a 5 year old. Is Hillary the perfect candidate? NO but she at least stands for LGBT rights (she has evolved), would not put someone on the Supreme Court who thinks the Bible is the only thing important when making social judgements and has Bill Clinton whom I think is one of the best Presidents we have ever had.
Though I disagree with both on some issues I could not in good conscious sleep knowing this man has his finger on the red button or dealing with other countries one on one. I do however think he would be a good deal maker with trade etc but he just scares me.
As a Trans woman I am Team Hillary!
Look I agree it's hyperbole but the problem is that it's worryingly close to the markQuote:
Originally Posted by christianxxx
Hitler was a charismatic egotist who played on the fears and insecurities of the far right and targeting minorities as the problem during a difficult time for the world and when given too much power ran amok
On the other hand Trump currently is just a charismatic egotist playing on the fears and insecurities of the far right and targeting minorities as the problem in a difficult time for the world who as of now doesn't have any real power.
If he gets power he may well be utterly benign - the concern is that if he get power he may not be benign!
I don't know about you but I'd rather not find out either way. I doubt he would turn into Hitler but if you look at his statements there's a possibility he could turn into something just as bad in a different way
For me the thing that was most worrisome was his statement that he would just keep spending and if they ran out of money he'd do what he's done in the past and make a deal - in other words he'd send the US bankrupt and rely on the assumption that the rest of the world couldn't afford to let the US economy collapse - he's the exact opposite of a fiscal conservative - he's effectively a high 20 something college chick maxing out her daddies credit cards and hoping he'll bail her out of trouble.
The only time in the last 50 years the US was in surplus was 2 years under Bill Clinton so whilst Hillary creeps me out a bit I'm going to make a guess that she'll at least try not to send the world into the next great depression.
People shouldn't compare Trump to Hitler but they definitely should point out he's a dangerous individual who should be given absolutely NO power whatsoever.
I don't like him, but just as bad in a different way? Hitler wrote Mein Kampf eight years before he became Chancellor, so the idea that he was just a populist and gave no indication as to his deep-seated beliefs is not accurate (it's true some people thought he was a buffoon who was bluffing, but he was actually quite clear in his beliefs).Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha2117
In Mein Kampf Hitler made many references to exterminating enemies, and his enemies were often described in racial terms. He even talked about gassing Jews, though he discussed gassing 15 or 20 thousand Jewish "traitors" (traitors in scare quotes for obvious reasons). In other chapters he discussed the desire for lebensraum and an expansion of German territory through conquest to the east. So the outline of his program was there. The mistake was to not believe he meant what he said, but there is very little relation between the things that Trump and Hitler have said. Trump is an isolationist, where Hitler openly discussed conquest. If you don't believe me, read a couple of chapters of Mein Kampf.
I understand the comparisons of Trump to Hitler in terms of his rhetoric or his ability to whip up the public, but the idea that there are deeper parallels between the two seems absurd to me.
I know you say at the end of your post that you don't think the comparison should be made, but I think most of the what you write is a comparison.
Then why the rubbish about Hitler? The USA is not in economic meltdown, your territory has not been occupied and changed by external powers, you are not obliged to render half of your national income to Mexico, Canada and the Caribbean, you have not lost Hawaii and the Pacific Islands to foreign powers....for heaven's sake, compare Trump to Americans who went before him, be it Batman, Davy Crockett, Paul Revere, John Wayne or Johnny Carson- or William Jennings Brian, Ross Perot, or whichever President takes your fancy. Judge America on American standards, the country with a Constitution and a system of government that has held strong for 240 years and- believe it because it is true- is the envy of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha2117
WOW, look at all the Professional Turd Slingers. I'll start laughing when words are mixed with Hitler, German, Germany, Serbian Nazi, NAZI's, Mexican Immigration and Trump. The world is not a perfect. There are mean and nasty people who live here and if you want to stick your dick in their face, go for it.
Don't hate the messenger...although I do,expect the usual suspects to thumb this post down.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...trump-campaign
Damn dude.....two shots, two hits. I'm not American so my understanding of American culture and politics is different than yours (assuming you're American) but the way Trump kept ratcheting up his bullshit time and time again led me to seriously consider that he was really on Clinton's team. I think over time though, as he realized that he had support from certain groups regardless of what he said, he started to think he might actually pull it off. Idiocracy come to life........Quote:
Originally Posted by APD2
And you nailed it with the Jenna/Ivanka comparison!
Trump is an opportunist.
He doesn't stand for anything.
He used to be 'friends' with the Clintons because Bill was the former POTUS and Trump believed he had international connections that could benefit his bottom line.
Trump supporters are betting that the Donald goes against type and becomes a champion of the common man and puts their interests before his own socioeconomic class.
Unlikely.
But keep hoping.
I'm saying it right now, if Trump ends up becoming POTUS, this country will be in a recession before the end of his four year term.
Trump isn't Ross Perot, who actually stood for something.
Trump is about fame and money and is going to turn being POTUS into a global reality TV show.
Can you imagine an EMPOWERED Donald Trump with the title of Commander in Chief????
Good night, AMerica.
Donald Trump wants to rally us to the standard of excellence we once epitomised.
Donald Trump apposes globalism and supports nationalism. - America First means: "no American will ever again feel that there needs come second to that of a citizen of a foreign nation" he says were going to make America Great Again for EVERYONE.
He wants to invest in infrastructure which is something we haven't really done in decades.
We're going to build a wall to stop the stream of illegal immigration - millions of American children go hungry every day, why would we add to the problem by bringing in people who we don't want or need.
He said he will Strengthen our military, take care of our Vets 'who are incredible people' and bomb the hell out of the Islamic state.
He's going to reopen the coal mines which crooked Hitlary Clinton has vowed to keep the miners out of work. We have an estimated 50 billion in natrual resources on federal land.
Donald Trumps Free Trade policy will encourage businesses to stay in the United States keeping American works employed - Bill Clinton sign NAFTA and crooked Hitlary Clinton will not hasitate to sign TPP into law, which will be far worse than NAFTA
Donald Trumps immigration plan will guarantee a birth in the African American community. Black youth unemployment has never worse than it is now.
The Donald has been a advocate for lgbtq rights in the work place (2000) long before crooked hillary (2003), and crooked hillary? "Don't ask, and she won't tell"
Vote Trump and Thrive!!!
I think you need to ask yourself how much a President Trump would be able to achieve in a system of government that does not give the President absolute power. Just one example -Obama has been unable to close Guantanamo Bay, and I don't see Congress giving Trump everything he wants. But right now Trump is not the Presidential candidate for the Republican Party and until the party meets in Cleveland in July we do not know who their candidate will be, and don't be surprised if Trump drops out of the race anyway as this whole thing started as a publicity stunt to maintain the visibility of the Trump brand, and he really is only interested in money.
Ummm, really?! So who revealed this..? Source?Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
Wacky news? The fact remains that our Donald has invested 53 million of his own money, and unlike crooked Hitlary, he hasn't taken money from wall Street or Saudi Arabia "whom persecute gays.Quote:
Originally Posted by riccadevia
Of course it's a comparison - I didn't make the Hitler statement nor do I think it's a particularly valid argument. What I'm saying is that he's that sort of personality type. It's pretty unlikely he's an insane sociopath like Hitler but he is using similar political tactics and methods to get into power.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
My worry with him is that by his own admission he is GOING to send the US broke by spending like a drunken sailor and then make a deal - that is to any rational fiscal conservative a nightmarish scenario.
The worlds economy is already shaky with large parts of South America, Europe, Africa and parts of Asia already teetering on the brink and frankly nobody can afford to prop an economy the US's size up so what that means that if he did spend like he says he will the world economy can only really go one way - a global depression. It would result in 30's levels of poverty in western countries and god knows what in the developing world. The damage could be devastating.
That's one of the reasons why so many republican politicians oppose him - because they know that policy wise he's proposing things that could damage the long term future of the US.
The truth of the matter is both Republicans and Democrats are actually fairly close in terms of basic economic policy. Normally whichever one gets in doesn't really matter long term because they try to keep everything stable. Trump on the other hand appears to be proposing fiscal policy that advocates lunacy.
It is scary that Trump analogized sovereign bankruptcy to corporate bankruptcy. But the power of the purse in our country resides in Congress. That does not mean he could not spend recklessly but funds are appropriated by Congress and that would be a check on runaway spending. I don't agree that Democrats and Republicans are all that similar fiscally but that's another thread. Perhaps it's something worth discussing in the politics and religion forum.
Please read the link.Quote:
Originally Posted by riccadevia
Trump is using his campaign as a revenue stream for Trump Inc.
http://fortune.com/2016/06/21/donald...ing-companies/
Donald has already said once more campaign donations come in, he's going repay himself for the 'loan' of $53 million he made to his campaign.
Believe in a con man and don't be surprised when you're pockets are empty.
When someone calls themselves the "King of Debt" and describes his debt strategy of NOT PAYING the full balance of any debt owed, which is a big part of the reason Trump Inc. can't get a loan from ANY major bank in the United States, that's called a sign.
Warning.
Brick wall head.
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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
Well said.
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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
your pockets,
not you're pockets.
(The edit function on HA should be 24 hours, not 15 minutes.)
He had to loan money to his campaign as an emergency measure because he's done such an incompetent job of fundraising. He initially said that he does not need other people's money because he's so wealthy, but when you loan money to your campaign you are depending upon other donors to reimburse you.
It also will not help further fundraising efforts because people know their funds have a good chance of being used to reimburse Donald. Lending money to a campaign with the expectation of reimbursement does not create any less of a potential conflict for a politician than doing a competent job of fundraising to begin with.
http://www.people.com/article/donald...-loan-donation
Apparently he converted it to an outright gift and it's not a loan. I hate to sound sadistic but it makes me happy that he's had to dump fifty million dollars. Not doing it would really have hampered fundraising efforts which I'm sure he realized. But if he's too incompetent to raise money, why should he be commander in chief?
But he's so hugely talented at making deals. Good deals. He promises us. He hears somewhere that Hillary is absolutely corrupt. More corrupt than any politician in American history. Believe him. He heard it. He calls that orange weave his real hair. If you're a pretty girl he'll let you tug on it. It's really woven on there tight! He's so wonderful. He's building a wall. And Mexico will pay for it. Sure we'll have to condemn the private land on which much of it will be built, but Mexico will pay for it. He promises us. Believe him. The blacks love him too. Look, there's one in his audience. Right there. Look. There are just so many bigly (or is that 'big league'?) things about the Donald. His hands are the perfect size, and his dick too, which by the way is not a cheeto. I always wanted to vote in a president who couldn't even keep a casino afloat. Let's bankrupt America, spend even more of our money on the military, make the poor really shit poor and kick some immigrants in the teeth. It'll be fun (until it happens), I promise you.
I think i might love you :DQuote:
Originally Posted by trish
But sir, there is a line.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean1916
This is kind of too heavy to be in the general chat, but oh well. Overall, it's the lesser of two evils.
You'll never love her like I do lolQuote:
Originally Posted by sean1916
I agree. So I'm going to vote for Gary JohnsonQuote:
Originally Posted by SP27
Gary Johnson
due to my fondness for johnsons.
Lesser of 2 evil's
He won't attack LGBT people/ the culture wars are over
Phil Jackson is such a great hire for the Knicks