actually it's the NRA that won't let the FBI share info with the local PD......soooooo?Quote:
Originally Posted by sean1916
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actually it's the NRA that won't let the FBI share info with the local PD......soooooo?Quote:
Originally Posted by sean1916
And the law makers that are VOTED into office. They passed a law that makes it OK for people, even know terrorists to get and own guns. Thanks to the NRA money.
Sad occurrence, unfortunately too many innocent souls were lost. Waking up to this on the TV got me to thinking why can't people just live and let live...
Condolences, sympathies and respect from the eastern side of the Atlantic to everyone involved in this madness.
:sadcry
There is evil in the world.it isn't the fault of the NRA it is the fault of a false religion that gets a pass from our political leader. As a free society it falls on us to protect ourselves. This evil false religion throws Gay and Trans People off roofs in other countries.it will continue until we wake up and understand that the right to use any bathroom or marry mean nothing if our leader refuses to be diligent in keeping us safe. There are bigger issues to deal with in our country,everyone wants change now and we are accepting great risks as a result. Anyone that would take your right to protect yourself is EVIL pure and simple. Free Healthcare and all the rest is worthless if it comes at this price.I've never seen a Christian go in and murder masses of people.they have their beliefs and they are no threat to us.
I appreciate the comments and emotions. Christians have done many things. I would suggest that its not the time to divide, this was a mad man. Islam will denounce him.. ISIS have embrassed him. The old adage "divide and conquer". This was not representative of an religion. This was the actions of a very sick man who stole many.. Too many innocent lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by sassygirl
Its bad I know, cooler heads should prevale. We would be no different than him if we started a hate campaign.
Lots and lots of domestic "christians" that want to attack gays. Some of them have even praised this attack.
The problem -is- religion, not which religion.
Everything you just said is patently false. You need to get your head in reality ASAP. Just for starters:Quote:
Originally Posted by sassygirl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
Mate, I believe this was a knee jerk reaction. I assume based on emotion. I agree it is factually incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by scroller
To be fair, this isn't true either. Religion is like alcohol... in moderation it can actually be a very positive thing. Spirituality can be a good influence on people. But when someone uses it to mask or redirect their own hurt or problems rather than dealing with those emotional issues directly, we see religion twisted. When someone uses the guise of religion to control other's behavior and thinking, subverting the core tenants of the faith, we see religion twisted. Basically religion itself in neutral... it's how people practice that faith which is either good or bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj3131
There has been enough suffering, no need for a silly Internet argument that will solve nothing. Its a better idea at this time to love and support each other. Peace
I guess I should not be surprised about this, but reading the local news site comments.... well, let's just say if these people mean what they type, they are some cold cold ones without a single ounce of compassion.. to put it mildly.
The difference between 'Pray away the gay' and 'Slay away the gay' is a bullet -both are based on the view that same-sex relations are wrong and something can and must be done about them- and I feel that the US must make tough decisions about gun control or these massacres will continue to happen, whether the motive is paranoia, resentment, political, or the desire on the shooter's part to experience the apocalypse for real, taking as many innocent people with him as he can. The focus now returns to Congress, but if nothing was done when those children were slaughtered in Connecticut what hope is there that Orlando will make a difference?
From The Guardian this morning:
New York City’s police commissioner, Bill Bratton, fiercely criticized the National Rifle Association, the most powerful gun lobby in the country, that has campaigned to prevent people named on the US government no-fly list from being barred from purchasing guns.
“The idea we have a terror-watch list, a no-fly list, and someone on that list can buy a gun – that’s the highest level of insanity,” Bratton told CNN. He added that the probe into the Orlando shooter would have to take in whether “there was anything from the FBI investigations that might have stopped him being able to acquire a firearm. I don’t hold out much hope for that: obviously the United States is too afraid of the NRA at this time.”
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...t-fbi-guns-buy
How they got their guns -from the New York Times -
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...guns.html?_r=0
I cant stop watching...or crying
I’m writing through tears of relief. My two dear colleagues who had been vacationing in Florida and planned to do some clubbing (as well as camping, canoeing, sight seeing etc.) called to say they spent an extra day in Augustine and hadn’t yet made to Orlando. Yet still, thinking of what happened last night at the Pulse makes me queasy and sick. I know my condolences don’t mean shit to those who lost loved ones there, but I post my condolences anyway. I’m so sorry for your pain.
This morning the story is beginning to gel. The shooter was Omar Mateen. He was 29 and an American citizen by birth. His parents were born in Afghanistan. As of this moment the FBI believes Omar Mateen to be a lone wolf inspired by ISIS propaganda. CBS seems to confirm the story (Johnny Walker posted here last night) that his father has anti-American and homophobic views.
Clearly there is evil in this world. But it is not the Muslim religion, the Christian religion nor religion in general (I say this even though I do not personally subscribe to any religious worldview). Hatred, bigotry, ignorance and intolerance generalized and applied indiscriminately against the innocent is the evil we face. Omar Mateen was filled with it. Yet hatred, bigotry, ignorance and intolerance is threatening to devour us too. Reacting callously against all Muslims will only strengthen ISIS, create more lone wolves and compound the violence.
Certainly this tragedy is not an excuse (as some here seem to suggest) to drop our fight for basic human rights here in the U.S.: the right to use the restroom appropriate to our gender identity, the right to be served in the same manner as anyone else in a business establishment or an office of a state or municipal institution. If we give up, the bigots win.
Should it be an excuse to pass more secure firearm regulations? One sick man with a single assault weapon and a handgun just killed forty nine of our fellow travelers and injured fifty-three more, most of them critically. Certainly there is reason enough to reconsider the issue.
Don't all clubs have door security that pat patrons down before entering?
How did the shooter get in with an AK-15?
btw, the Orlando weapon is banned in the UK for all Attachment 942169non-military and LE personnel.
You are now being faced with a stark choice, no running away from this.
Islam is not compatible with the liberal western society.
If you want to keep the advances that have been made for the LGBT community then the Islamics need to stay in their own countries.
No ,your the one that's wrong.and your view of the world is the cause of this.burying your head in the sand and thinking nice thoughts get us nowhere.these people are idealogs with a twisted perverse view of civilization.if they didn't have guns it would be bombs and if not bombs knives.how many Christians have you heard of beheading people in the last 300 years? If your hatred for God is that intense I ask you why do you hate something you don't believe in? The Bible teaches love and acceptance not hate. The kuran teaches hate and the infidels that don't convert should be killed ,read it.no I'm not the one that's wrong here.if 1 person would have had their own gun there in that bathroom lives could have very likely been saved. Those vermin will use any means they can think of.do I think all muslims are like that of course not.it isn't hate it's reality.
Gun control didn't stop them in Paris did it?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
From what I understand, he rushed the doors at last call, and either killed the bouncers or they just didn't react.Quote:
Originally Posted by flabbybody
My daughter is going on a trip with her mother and will be gone three weeks. I live in Orlando and was planning on hitting up Pulse or Parliament House during that time. Not anymore, I'm done with Downtown Orlando for good.
Nothing surprising here...predictably stereotypical:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2672445
I can't stand these facile analogies because by extension it implies:Quote:
Originally Posted by bruce_willy
1. There should be no gun control because it won't 100% stop things like this from happening
2. There should be no laws, because people will still commit crime
The picture is certainly clearing up. Trish seemed to have a good handle on it almost right off the bat. I was convinced he was propagandized from online jihadist sites. It is quite possible that his father's homophobia strongly influenced his sense of shame and his decision to declare support for ISIS, which he thought somehow is a masculine act.Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
I'm pretty convinced that whoever it was that downvoted all of Trish's posts was probably upset that she wanted to be thoughtful and try to understand what was going on before forming conclusions (ahem dreamon: how's Cliven Bundy's federal prison loving ass?).:)
Australia confiscates guns http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback Something to think about.
And now this:
The gunman who killed 49 people in an attack on a gay nightclub in Orlando is said to have been a regular at the venue and had messaged several people on gay dating apps.
Read more-
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...r-at-nightclub
Studies indicate that this is often the case:Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015...n_7816390.html
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...n-homosexuals/
I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't constitute a disproportionate amount of people drawn to jihadist organizations...(right along side of Mysoginists who have a problem getting laid in the usual conventional fashion and blame it on women)
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
Pink Pistols urges gays to arm themselves: ‘Guns did not do this, a human being did’
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...lves-guns-did/
No guns involved in this Islamic attack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo5MilvEVmk
Saddened at the many who lost loved ones.
Guns are not the problem - attitudes are.
How long will it be before London's Islamic Mayor institutes some type of an anti-LGBT law?
-> http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/13/lo...dvertisements/
They confiscated firearms years ago... now only criminals have them. Gun crimes might have gone down, but violent crimes did not. Australia and Britain have a weird way of construing their "crime rates" to hide the increase in knife/etc related violent crimes. Guns are not the issue. The shooter passed multiple background checks. The no-fly/terrorist watch list is an unconstitutional list, it requires NO due-process and ANYBODY, even a child can end up on that list. The club was a gun-free zone, just like the last 3+ shootings across the nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by thx1138
More laws don't, and won't do anything. It's truly saddening what happened, but to parade on the bodies of those who died that night in an effort to pass more "gun control" is sickening, and a slap in the face to those who died.
There is no PERFECT solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by here4dafun
But we sure can do a helluva lot better.
We need to reinstate the assault weapons ban enacted under Bill Clinton.
Civilians do not need this kind of firepower for personal use.
The AR-15 nearly wiped out an entire elementary school in Connecticut and critically wounded or murdered over 100 clubgoers in less than 5 minutes in Orlando.
The guns ARE the problem.
I hate with a passion whenever pro gun rights activists point to any and all exceptions as justification to do nothing.
The asshole in Orlando may not have been caught with background checks, but Cho at Va Tech and Adam Lanza would have.
The status quo simply is not satisfactory.
Americans have a perverse fetishization of firearms.
You want a gun for personal protection???
Buy a 9mm and keep it moving.
No, attitudes and beliefs are the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
A French police officer was stabbed to death by a Muslim terrorist.
The French police officer died because of an attitude and belief - not because of the knife.
I only know about Sadiq Khan from what I've read in papers and on the internet...and from what I've read, I doubt that was the intent of the ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
...but his 'body shaming' explanation still reeks of nanny state paternalism...
Do people not realize that AR-15s and their variants were legal to own and buy under the Brady bill? So, reinstate what? Magazine capacity limitations and barrel lengths of 16" or more?
The weapons AND the attitude are the problem.
A gun was used in that club, it could have very well been this mentally ill fucker driving a semi through the front doors, or planting c4 in the ventilation room, a few cans of gasoline properly placed with a timer, or a pressure cooker like those idiots used in the Boston Marathon incident.
We do need better gun laws, but let's not act like guns are the main reason for this, Mateen was a twisted individual, his wife is a twisted individual, and his father is a nutjob that loves the taliban.......
The feds had this weirdo on their watch list and didn't watch him close enough (which makes you wonder how many weirdos in Orlando are on the FBI watchlist)
Facebook deleted a post he uploaded right before he went on this rampage (guess that rules out the government coercing with Fb theory)
my point is there were several warning signs and people didn't react to them, and this is the brutal end result
Or it could reflect the more important component of public opinion which does not want to see images of semi-naked women on London Transport buses and trains...there are many ways of advertising a product, you don't need to undress a woman to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fred41
So Muhamamd Ali was not 'the Greatest' after all, and should really have gone to live in Africa?Quote:
Originally Posted by bruce_willy