You can start an organization to rally all transsexuals and fight for your rights - that's the beauty of living in a democratic society like the united states. Why don't you take one step further to fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dina Delicious
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You can start an organization to rally all transsexuals and fight for your rights - that's the beauty of living in a democratic society like the united states. Why don't you take one step further to fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dina Delicious
And so I work for the fucking government.Quote:
insist upon all your very special rights to be miserable, and you are - MISERABLE.
We are all, in our own little way, prostitutes, pal. :x
some of the comments are just so unthoughtful...u state yourself only seeing the surface of our life...u make it sound so easy...why don't u just get together and rally...last time i was at one of this rally...sadly enough...where are u guys in this rally...why areN'T u fighting for the right to be with us...that's right...we do what we gotta do...be amazing, beautiful, flawless, intelligent survive all that hit us...and when we are done...we now are worthy to be CONSIDERED for u to maybe wanna see with us in public? SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT SOME OF U GUYS HOPE FOR....have fun sitting on your ass...i will continue to fight for me and my girls...some of you guys are just sad with some of this comments can't even put your face on this post..little alone face the world with this....
I always thought that you pay for the sex or her "time".Quote:
Originally Posted by YasminLee
By your rationale Yasmin, sex would be free if we stayed in the girl's life afterward.
Sounds like a great idea!
Yasmine, you're very courageous to bring this topic up. I've met lots of T-girls that have love in their hearts (you're one of them), and would gladly settle down with the right guy if he ever showed up. But I think the prostitution picture, at least here in Boston, is even more bleak than you describe. I suppose it's possible that some girls could get a straight job and social acceptance once they've completed the transition, if people around them don't know about it. But there are a lot of girls that, for whatever reason, don't ever have the intention to fully transition (i.e., become post-ops). I fear for their future; they will never blend in anywhere. If they are halfway attractive they can get into prostitution for a while. But what are they going to do in 10, 20, 30 years when they can't even do that? Or sooner, if they get sick. Many of the girls I know deal with that the only way they can: denial (and I can't blame them). Sadly, a lot of times one of the ways they don't think about the future is to get high. Prosititution makes getting drugs easier because of the slimy people you meet, and sometimes they figure, what the hell, I have nothing to lose, and I may as well enjoy myself while I can. I've lost some good friends that way, and I don't know what the answer is, or even if there is one.
Damn Dina...im sorry to hear you had those experiences...theres still alot of screwed up shit from the gay and lesbian community towards transsexuals.....I never thought they of all people would be throwing stones, but ive since learned differently lol....
Arriana girl, youve become really bitter in the last year.....Were not all the same you know:)> Not all of us are chasers.
Really. You know I can't run all that fast. :wink:Quote:
Were not all the same you know:)> Not all of us are chasers.
Yeah, I think its really hard to be pre - op or non -op. THe society doesn't recognize these people at all.
YES SOME OF US CAN PROBABLY GET A NORMAL JOB...NORMAL MEANING MAKE UP COUNTER OR A SECRETARIAL JOB SOMEWHERE...WHAT ABOUT PRO JOB...CORPERATE STUFF? WE CAN MAYBE BUT NOT ONE DAY I'M SURE WITHOUT PUTTING A STRONG FACE ON AND FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE THAT JOB...SOME OF YOUR GUYS REALLY IGNORE WHAT IS GONNA ON HERE AND THINK IT'S EASY TO BE STRONG...I'M SURE MOST GIRLS SOMEDAYS JUST WANNA HIDE AT HOME...I KNOW I HAD MY SHARE OF NOT WANNA BE CLOCKED, LOOK AT...A GUY SMILE OR PEOPLE GLANCE AND I'LL ALWAYS HAVE A DOUBT WHETHER THEY THINK I'M PRETTY OR GONNA LAUGH AND CALL ME A MAN...IT BREAKS OUR HEART...YES I'M ESCORTING RIGHT NOW...BUT FOR THE RIGHT GUY..I'LL GIVE IT UP IN A SEC. TO LOOK HIM IN THE EYES AND SEE THAT HE LOVES ME...UNDERSTAND ME..AND WILL CATCH ME WHEN I FALL...SOMEONE TO WAKE UP WITH ..WHATEVER HAPPEND WHEN I WALK OUT MY DOOR AND FACE THE WORLD, IF I'M WOUNDED..HE'LL BE WAITING FOR ME AT HOME TO PATCH ME UP BEFORE MY BATTLE THE NEXT DAY......
Yasmin,
Don't let these dudes get to you, mostly all of them have never been in LOVE with a girl like you to understand what you go through! They have never faced their families with a girl like you, never had to protect a girl like you from society... so why would someone like you so amazing as a person let them bring you down? All they have done is spent thousands to sleep with someone like you, anyone who would pay you money instead of love to spend time with you, ask yourself, are they worth your tears? I would love to talk to sometime about life, you seem to have a lot of soul and I dig that!
Ugh.......can you put your tongue any further up her ass dude??
"BUT FOR THE RIGHT GUY..I'LL GIVE IT UP IN A SEC. TO LOOK HIM IN THE EYES AND SEE THAT HE LOVES ME...UNDERSTAND ME..AND WILL CATCH ME WHEN I FALL...SOMEONE TO WAKE UP WITH ..WHATEVER HAPPEND WHEN I WALK OUT MY DOOR AND FACE THE WORLD, IF I'M WOUNDED..HE'LL BE WAITING FOR ME AT HOME TO PATCH ME UP BEFORE MY BATTLE THE NEXT DAY......"
Sorry babe, but i just cant believe it to be true....Theres 6~ Billion people on the planet, you mean to tell me you cant find ONE...NOT ONE...person that you can be happy with like that???????
Yasmin, you could have your pick of guys......Either your straight up lying to yourself or your qualifications are unrealistic for mere mortals.
im not lying...i met someone a couple weeks ago...kinda hoping he's the one...before that i dated a few people...it's not as easy as u think for me or any orther tgirls to find a man. I always run to guys everyday that wanna have fun..but not ltr..i do mean the real deal.....i don't know what else to say...u have your right not to beleive me...as for picky..maybe i am....i want someone around my age..meaning under 35..attractive..sweet..faithful, open minded..and not care what the world thinks...
yeah i can relate to the "staying at home" ordeal.
My question is, why wouldn't they escort? They don't have a strong man by theirside to carry them(and I don't mean economically)... and fellas when it comes down to it THEY ARE "WOMEN"!!! They are exactly the same as the born women spiritually, emotionally and most of all mentally! Just because they have a penis doesn't make them as strong you are and I'm not saying women are weak but every WOMAN needs a strong man to support her no matter what kind of support that may be and these girls are no different! Yeah tthey can rally and protest, but do you know how long that takes? So what, are they supose to be broke and not what they want to be physically until society excepts them? They escort so they can change as fast as they can so they can be somewhat excepted in society... most don't do it cause they want money or don't know who they are... they do it for you, their families, and society, so you and they rest of the world will actually be surprised when they tell you they weren't born that way! Would you as a "straight" man want to walk around and be called "the dude who has a pussy?" FUCK NO! You think they like being called shemales? chicks with dicks? Does that not sound messed up to you? I think they would rather just be called women don't you think? It hurts their felling that they can't physically have the man of their dreams baby or even find the man of their dreams for that matter! What do most guys on this site say, " I don't like the girls who look like men!" so how does one who isn't already wealthy achieve that "real girl" look over a short period of time before they're too old and miss they're youth to enjoy it? Any answers? If they have this escorty thing in front of their faces as the quick fix do you really think they would turn it down? Would you turn it down?
And BlackAdder....
Who's up her ass? I have a girl... A TS GIRL so I know a lil bit about how life is for them... I may think Yasmin is attractive but that doesn't mean I want to sleep with her dude... I say she seems deep and I dig deep people in general... and just because someone is attractive and can choose from a large group of men doesn't mean they'll find THE ONE! Use your brain before you say anything about me bro! You're not on my level... this site is proof of how fucked up this world truely is!
Damn! I'm Forty-two. I've been told I act pretty juvenile though. Does that count for anything?
Yasmin, Ive read how youve recently met someone and I truly do hope he loves you back the way you seem to love him. Any guy that truly loves his girl does NOT want them escorting..Now i know theres lots of different kinds of love, but i can only speak for the way *I* feel it, and i wouldnt want you in the business any longer....even if i was just dating you.
This however, i refuse to believe "it's not as easy as u think for me or any orther tgirls to find a man. I always run to guys everyday that wanna have fun..but not ltr..i do mean the real deal"
Your either not looking in the right places, not in the right place spiritually or emotionally, or for some reason those kinds of guys arent getting the "Im LTR Material!!!!" vibe from you. This may be related to your profession....no strike that, im almost certain it has at least a little to do with it. Among my circle of friends I know guys who want girlfriends...Who DONT want to date around and are sick of the game...and theyre relatively decent people. From my own perspective, its the GIRLS who dont want the relationship...either because they wont give up there easy money sources, or because there always looking around the corner for the next best thing.....Those girls will be awful bitter by the time there 45:)>
Hmmm....I maybe i posted hastily Business...but your post seemed like the typical chaser drivel that i see all the time here...I actually gave up posting for awhile because it got so bad lol.....Im definetly not a chaser, i disagree with the girls as often as I lend kudos...I dated a tgirl myself, and i talk to a few fairly famous ones almost every day- So its not like im a complete noob:). Finding "The ONE" is a completely flawed concept as well people. Youve GOT to realize there is not Idealized mate for you; Relationships are always give and take and theres always something youll have to compromise on.....Aside from building yourself an android or cloning an opposite sex version of yourself, perfection is unattainable.....Really, isnt finding someone that makes you happy enough??
thebusiness does not sounds like a chaser at all, he sounds like an intelliegent GENTLEman.
Beautiful and mighty Yasmin brings the issue that the socio-economic disavantaged SheMales of the community need to have a better support sustem. This country is one of great priviledge. But the cavaet is that the priviledge is for a priviledged few.
Some time ago on a radio call-in talk program the topic was excluded people from public benefits. The host mentioned from his own knowledge that there were insurance carriers that covered the cost of SRS and its associated costs.
Not to long ago on a national radio news program a well to do shemale told how it cost her $45,000 to go thru the adoption process to get the kids that she had.
Keep up the greatness Yasmin!!!
LOVE James
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Originally Posted by thebusiness
Did u had your cookie yet?
Oh, c'mon, you know this guy could =OWN= Mrs. Field's if he so desired. :wink:Quote:
Did u had your cookie yet?
This isn't just a T-gurl issue. I spent quite a bit of time with a working GG in my long-forgotten, misspent yute (sic). The laundry list of reasons that they do it is endless (This girl was from a well-off family, well-educated, quick off the post, street smart, and had no surgeries or addictions to satisfy), and while we may never comprehend those reasons, they do it.
And, for us, it's hard work. We have to curb our jealousy, possessiveness, and worry so as not to hogtie and smother the one we care for. We have to put up with (As one poster here said) the 'vampire hours', and calls in the middle of the night from East Bumfuck because some john (I can't, by any stretch of the imagination, refer to this particular GG's tricks as 'clients') pushed her out of a moving car at the side of some secluded highway, yada, yada, yada, the list goes on. :x
Some of us break up. Some marry. Some attend funerals. Support them if they are your friends or 'lovers', patronize them with some amount of respct if you're their clients, but don't moralize, or try to justify, or attack them over their reasons of 'necessity' of thier line of work.
These gurls put up with enough shit in ther life without anonymous pornhounds, with no true insight into their individual feelings or situations, giving them bottomless grief over their life's decisions.
Jezzus fucking christ inna goddamned sidecar, am I done here? :soapbox
Hey, Ari, you know I'm not a 'faceless cock bandit'. :)Quote:
Most of you are too ashamed to even show your faces...
I'm a faceFULL cock bandit. :lol:
You seem like a cool girl, arianna, but come on? Why put people down? Taking personal shots. I'm pretty sure there are people who would say you're no this girl or that girl pretty, but for the most part, I think most people here are considered of your feelings. Yet, you stay taking jabs at people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianna
What do you mean have I had my cookie yet?
Just for the record, I'M NOT TRYING TO BONE YASMIN LEE! Like I said before she is very attractive yes, but I have a girl! And even if I didn't I don't think I'm her type(from what I've read atleast) and I'm nobodies "client"... Never payed for sex in my life! I read back through that post and I can understand the comments but I have set it straight now...
I'm not going to post my pic on here but if anyone wanted to see what I look like I would be happy to show you... just got done with a photo shoot for my cover and all that fun stuff!
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Originally Posted by YasminLee
be careful.
when "searching for" people look so hard
for Mr.Right that they begin making hopefuls
into something that they are not, that's when they
are likely to lead themselves into the biggest
disappointments.
it's kinda disturbing that U could fall for and get hurt
over a stranger you just met in one day.
hehe. I didn't know that. Well, in that case, get him!Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianna
Why do you think every WOMAN specifically needs a strong man?! Do you still live in the last century? Yeah every PERSON needs some supports from our social network but that's completely different from "every woman needs a strong man". There is a stronger personality in every relationship and I've seen both women and transsexuals being the stronger one in the relationship. Sorry dude just because you are a man doesn't automatically make you strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebusiness
Obviously not every man is strong, as is apparent on this forum. I dont think he meant it in a sexist way, i thought he was being sweet and being a real MAN. Obvoiusly not every woman needs a man, some are lesbians and some are perfectly fine without a man. But for most women, they would WANT a man who would love them for who they are, that would treat them like a woman , that would respect and SUPPORT THEM. Thats the ideals that most women have and you are just being a bitch by talking about exceptions. There are plenty of exceptions, and plenty of women can be happy without men but you cant ignore the fact that most women also want men who can love them and support them and BE THEIR MEN.
You are just picking on him for semantic reasons and its pathetic.
I think this guy is great , i wish i have a man like that.
It's not semantic. It's logic. All women need a stronger man + Transsexuals are born to be exactly the same as women emotionally = all transsexuals need a stronger man in her life. The premise is false, therefore the conclusion is false. It's called logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by signupjustforthis
Yeah, he's sweet. That's got nothing to do with his logics though. I kinda like to have a sweet guy like that so that I can bitch and bully all the time :? Yes I am the strong one.
Yasmin, I would be a hypocrit if I would say I like you for your inside, simply because I do not know your inside. Everybody who only know you from sites like these are drooling over your body, including that stick and yes, a lot will not want to take you and meet the parents. It is idiotic, it is unfair, it is confusing, it is life.Quote:
Originally Posted by YasminLee
However, it is so very good of you to speak out so that people realize tgirls are just like regular people; surprise they have feelings too!
If we ever meet, I would love to be with you; of course sex with you must be great, but jeez, you have looks genetic girls would love to have. Be proud of yourself you have all the reasons to be!
Blah blah blah, shut the hell up.Quote:
Originally Posted by girlyg
Obviously, no one needs ANYONE to survive. So yeah, he shouldn't say "all women" need a man, because there is no one statement that will ever APPLY to EVERY WOMAN , that part is obvious. Normal people wouldnt even have to mention about that, because it's implied and it's common sense. The poster was making a generalized statement and that is FINE. :roll: Go find something else to do will you ?
And he didn't say women are weak, he said they need a strong man, that does not mean that women are weak. And just because you can bitch and bully a guy does not make you a "strong" person. It means you are a bully and a whinner.
This is my my first time here writing so I apoligize if I'm broking any rule and also for my bad english :oops: . Life is tough and even more tough for some than others, and probably very tough for an escort specially a shemale. Even so they often go alone by themselves, facing all the problems alone.
Maybe a "working girl" is better with someone who understands her and gives her support that no one else gives, but that doesn't mean they are weak. Everyone, at least at some time, needs that. Since they often are brave enough to continue even if people "throw rocks" it isn't very difficult to see wich part will be the stronger one :wink: . I felt I needed to say this.
pro #1: you can ALWAYS be who you are, only GOD can judge youQuote:
Originally Posted by YasminLee
cons:
1. family is a tough call; I think alot of people put their family up on this high pedestal as if no one else in their family has EVER done anything that would be seen as out of the ordinary; it's almost as if family members in AA or NA get a free pass compared to transsexuals.............on one end you have someone who loves themself and is working toward a goal, and on the other end you have someone who is [possibly] in a "I hate myself" position and is doing everything to destroy their body yet they get a free pass...................
I was actually going to go down the list but I just realized it won't be read, too many haters.............................lol
oh well
You know what? You have a lot of shit to say.....every thread i see you post in your talkin shit to someone. Do you always have to try and offend someone to get your point across? I actually have realations with a T-girl at the moment and we've had this conversation and I'm saying I have an idea of what Yasmin is speaking about. I just gave a certain perspective on how some men think, not me specifically, so how bout you stop bein an ass and read my post next time. =D :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianna
I think many of the arguments used to condone the "working girl" mentality are the same as those used by the inner-city teen and joining a gang/becoming a dealer.
"Society made me who I am!"
And you can definitely make an argument in support this statement. The young, inner city male is often left to care not only for his mother, but siblings as well. There aren't many economic opportunities on the streets and the young, inner city male soon finds there is a ton of money to be made in "slanging rocks." As a society, we don't offer any help. The inner city school is often the most neglecte, poor facilities and highly underpaid teachers. This translates into a never ending cycle of poverty and creates more pushers.
Likewise, American civil code fails to protect the rights of the transgendered individual. Currently, most state and federal laws regarding the rights of the transgendered begin with the assumption that "sex = chromosomes". This means, while I look and feel female, in the eyes of the court I'll never amount to more than a male. In the strictest sense, the court can extend the reading of this into the workplace and school.
My chromosomes equal male, therefore I must maintain a male persona. I am not entitled to dress as I please. I may do so, but at my own risk. This is why sexual identity is not protected in the same manner as gender, sexual orientation, race, etc. The courts see it as something that as chosen, rather than ascribed at birth.
This lack of protection prevents many transgendered individuals from holding jobs outside of the fashion, cosmetic or entertainment business.
Luckily, I had the support I needed to make my transition without having to do something that I would not feel comfartable doing, but I can totally understand why so many girls enter the business.
A message that always speaks to the weakness of its messengers. Whether they like it or not, individuals are always responsible for both who they are and what they choose to do, not society.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beckdemure
-Quinn
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A factor in them becoming working girls, is so many are picked on in high school. Kids who are trying to confirm their own identities by attacking others who are different. But this is a time when youth should be getting ideas about career preferences. Couple that with the struggle of transitioning in a non accepting society. Its got to be tough to concentreate on getting career skills.
But hopelfully, over time society should gain greater acceptance for classes of people who are different. Japan has a much older culture than here. The male actresses of the Kabuki theater, and the Geishas became to be considered resepctable over the centuries.
This Pity Me Pines attitude will only get you but so far. Yes, it is hard growing up gay or a trannie in an non-accepting/supportive surroundings, but that does not account for the entire story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianna
Many children coming from the same surroundings make up their minds they are not going to end up like their peers/adults and make plans to get out. Does this take strength? Yes, much inner strength, but it can and has been done.
Today there are more options for young gays/trannies than at anytime in history. You might not feel accepted at a Bible Belt Christian college, but trannies have and do attend such schools such as FIT, NYC, Columbia, Vassar, Hunter, and countless others.
Will grant you that many, many persons, some quite famous today "worked", at one time or another in their lives. But it was a means to an end, rather than a career. Look around, how many wealthy ex-providers does one see? Now many do you see even reaching middle age?
Working as a choice, that is leaving aside those forced into it, has always been a lazy profession. It is much easier to roll out of bed when one wishes, pick up the phone or hit the stroll when one needs funds, rather than do what the rest of the world does and hold a legitimate job.
Life is full of choices, and choices have consequences. Just as their are trannies who have gone to college/started businesses/ work for a living, there are "poor" people who came from bad backgrounds and do the same thing. As the Aretha Franklin song says "Pride, A Deeper Love"
Do not think many people object to trannies per se, well perhaps in certian areas, but more object to the behaviour/attitude most trannies seem to have. As a general rule trannies seem to have this off base idea of what a woman is supposed be, coupled with some pretty heavy illusions of grandeur. Look around, how many "normal" women does one see walking around in boad daylight with their bosoms hanging out, acting sexy? Such stuff just will not cut it in an office or any place of employment. Nor will the confrontational "street" attitude either.
There are allot of trannies out there who are not "working". Guys always complain, "why can't I find them"? Well for one thing most want nothing to do with the "scene", or anyone involved in it, this includes trannie chasers and other trannies. Many of these girls have worked too hard and too long to build something of their lives, and simply aren't willing to risk anything. Now I'm not saying some of these girls never worked, maybe they did; but again it was a means to an end, rather than a career.
Again, one must face the facts many working trannies, simply like the easy way of life. Many of these girls make vast sums of money, and have little or nothing to show for it in the end but lots of operations, closets full of clothes and stuff. Even the girls that claim they are only working to make money for the operation, are right back on Eros after the surgery, only this time under the GG category.
Knew a black trannie who worked two sometimes three jobs (as woman) and went to school at the same time. Asked her why she did all of this and didn't she worry about being "clocked". Her response was simple, " you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. Sooner or later someone is going to find out/guess you are "different" and there is not much you can do about it, so why should I worry?" She went on to relate how she had been fired from more jobs than she could count. Usually these were jobs she held for one week, or the job was good as offered one day, then a phone call saying "we went with another applicant" would come the next day. she always knew the real reason why she was not hired/fired, but what was there to do? She just kept keeping on. Finally fed up with all that nonsense she followed a path taken by many gays, and other minorities, she started her own business. Oh yes, she did finish college and has two degrees.
This girl was always able to find work, get on in general, because many people found her to be a nice person. There are people out there willing to help anyone suceed, but you have to meet them half way/give them something to work with. If someone says "I'll give you a job working in my shop", you cannot come in late every day, come to work with a bad attitude, insult straight women and try to pick up their husbands/bfs.
There are several trannies working at various Housing Works thrift stores in NYC. Some are pretty, some have implants, but full five o'clock shadow. Am quite sure these girls do not pull down the money working girls make, but guess what? They are quite happy. Like the girl I spoke of before, the really do not care what people "know" or say about them, they just get on with their lives. Will also tell you that beard line and all, everytime I see one of these girls they are always getting digits/leaving work to go on a date.
That last bit brings me to my next and final point: many men who are into trannies have allot more respect for/and are looking for trannies that do not work and or holding down jobs/going to school. These girls may not have all the glamour or beauty a "wealthy" trannie has, since they cannot afford all the surgery etc, but they have something else, self respect. People tend to like/fall in love with persons like themselves, and therefore even men into trannies prefer girls who have a lifestyle similar to theirs, that is they have legitimate means of employment. From what I hear, many guys want a "normal" girl who happens to be a trannie. By normal they mean no drama, no street attitude, just normal.
The sad thing about many of today's young trannies is they have been sold a bill of goods that says "working" as a life style is a legitimate means of living. Now this may be true in certian parts of society, but as the phrase goes: once at sea, always called a sailor. That is the longer one stays in the business and becomes associated with that said business, the harder it is to put it in the past. You hear it all the time: "...... the former prostitute". Heck you can graduate from Harvard medical school and discover a cure for cancer, and they still will stick that in there some where.
I've known and sadly buried more TS's than you can count, so don't get on your high horse with me. My comments are based upon over 20 years of being around the TS community. You wouldn't be so upset if the comments didn't strike a little too close to home.
Have also done volunteer work with trannies both at court and community centers. Work I've since given up because it does absolutely no good 99.9%of the time. It is mostly like talking to brick. Like you they have it all figured out, and the rest of us do not know what we are talking about. Or, it's quick with the snide remarks. Also like you they are full of anger and rage. Always fast with what they assume are wounding verbal attacks.
Tell me, when you heard of this persons plight, did you do something? Offer to or at least attempt to find her some place to stay? Assist her in finding her legal rights to any sort of state, local or Federal assistance?
As for your "friend", this thread was about "working" trannies, not social services. While her situation is sad, very sad indeed, cannot imagine you are advocating her "working" as away out of her situation. The last thing any young, emotionally distressed naif needs is to be thrown into that world.