Students Protest Transgender Teen’s Use of Girls’ Locker Room- What Are Her Rights?

You guys are nuts!!!
If my penmanship is poor how is it you can understand? Why is it again and again, and again you people are focus on how I write verses what the thread is about? Please explain that.
Stop the buck dancing and get on with the topic!

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Originally Posted by DeezNuts515

It's relevant to this thread because it's a post contained within said thread. You were the one who felt the need to point out you can construct a sentence properly, but have failed to deliver. You have absolutely no grasp of punctuation. The fact you you began your retort with no punctuation after the word "really" underscores this. You were using that word as either an interrogative or an interjection, both of which require immediate punctuation.

It's not that serious. You have proven time and again you are an angry, blathering individual, who doesn't appear to have an IQ which reaches three digits. Not everyone is lucky enough to have a fully functioning brain.

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

You don't have the right to come tell anyone about your gay lifestyle as though everyone likes it. yada I blasted his ass,

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This is probably my favorite James quote in the thread and believe it or not I didn't alter this Freudian gem. James's co-worker was telling him about the gay lifestyle and then yada yada yada James blasted his ass. Attaboy James. At first you're angry but before you know it you're blasting his ass and all is well. You see the gay lifestyle isn't that bad. Pina coladas with the little umbrellas, daytrips to the spa and .....what happened to keeping it to yourself?

Here's your answer, a homosexual is not natural, there are no homosexual genes! There is imbalance genes that take place and need help from a professional doctor. Not everyone is a homosexual on that venue either, some do homosexual acts to make it, whether its the film industry, music etc. Some people are raped at a young age and are psychologically damaged. Then there are those that go to sex clubs get turned out and then perform the acts of homosexuality.
It is not natural because, two men can't have a child nor two women. Now if you're telling me they can you must prove it. Yet again you're not talking about the issue at hand, Lester to me is the only one who has presented a full case on this subject. Why would you bring another topic from some where else into another topic and keep talking about I can't write? Why would you have a poorly written man give you an answer if he writes poorly? I don't get it! There's your answer.

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Originally Posted by Laphroaig

Agreed, what James fails to realise is that his poor language skills will always detract from the point he's trying to make. The irony is that he's admitted that his fake ghetto/slang persona is a "lifestyle choice" on his part. He also tends to increase the font size in his posts every so often, like an over excited, attention grabbing little kid.

James, you still haven't replied to my post in the other thread showing why homosexuality is natural and NOT a "lifestyle choice". Presumably you're trying to ignore it because yet again you've made a complete idiot of yourself... :dead-1:

As an example of how distracting your poor language is, you can't even swear correctly. The word is DAMN, this is what a DAM is you cretin.

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Hence, how in the fuck do you say "YOU YOU" back to back like that in a sentence? Without putting a comma there for a PAUSE! And you want to talk about punctuation marks? Get the fuck outta here, you trolls are trying to go and fuck up the thread with your red herrings, everyone see it! I won't answer anything else if it's not pertaining to this subject.

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Originally Posted by DeezNuts515

It's relevant to this thread because it's a post contained within said thread. You were the one who felt the need to point out you can construct a sentence properly, but have failed to deliver. You have absolutely no grasp of punctuation. The fact you you began your retort with no punctuation after the word "really" underscores this. You were using that word as either an interrogative or an interjection, both of which require immediate punctuation.

It's not that serious. You have proven time and again you are an angry, blathering individual, who doesn't appear to have an IQ which reaches three digits. Not everyone is lucky enough to have a fully functioning brain.

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

Here's your answer, a homosexual is not natural, there are no homosexual genes! There is imbalance genes that take place and need help from a professional doctor.

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Thank you Gregor Mendel. Mendel as you know is famous for mating pea plants and proving the existence of imbalance genes. I remember his moving description of the pea plants trying to buttfuck each other. No seriously, what should the doctor prescribe for the homos James? A giant dose of pussy?

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

Here's your answer, a homosexual is not natural, there are no homosexual genes! There is imbalance genes that take place and need help from a professional doctor. Not everyone is a homosexual on that venue either, some do homosexual acts to make it, whether its the film industry, music etc. Some people are raped at a young age and are psychologically damaged. Then there are those that go to sex clubs get turned out and then perform the acts of homosexuality.
It is not natural because, two men can't have a child nor two women. Now if you're telling me they can you must prove it. Yet again you're not talking about the issue at hand, Lester to me is the only one who has presented a full case on this subject. Why would you bring another topic from some where else into another topic and keep talking about I can't write? Why would you have a poorly written man give you an answer if he writes poorly? I don't get it! There's your answer.

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And the fact that homosexual behaviour is observed in the animal kingdom, explain that? Do they make a "lifestyle choice"? Do animals have gay clubs as well? :dead:

You are correct, homosexual acts, by definition, cannot generate offspring. Thought for the day, that being the case, why hasn't homosexuality died out over generations? There are studies suggesting that homosexuality is an integral and essential part of society. I haven't looked at them in detail, so can't comment on their validity, but it's an interesting concept..

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

Hence, how in the fuck do you say "YOU YOU" back to back like that in a sentence? Without putting a comma there for a PAUSE! And you want to talk about punctuation marks? Get the fuck outta here, you trolls are trying to go and fuck up the thread with your red herrings, everyone see it! I won't answer anything else if it's not pertaining to this subject.

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That's just a typo, learn to spot the difference.

As for trolling, James, you're the biggest troll on this site. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the individual cases presented, your last couple of threads are deliberately looking to present transgenders in a bad light. What is your agenda?

Oh it's a typo? Get the fuck outta here! :dead: Me a troll? Man listen I come here to have fun, and that's it, I don't go fucking with people etc. If the topic is the topic I know how to stay on TOPIC! You can't talk about the topic to save your fucking life! You keep on talking about me! It's not about me its about those girls!

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Originally Posted by Laphroaig

That's just a typo, learn to spot the difference.

As for trolling, James, you're the biggest troll on this site. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the individual cases presented, your last couple of threads are deliberately looking to present transgenders in a bad light. What is your agenda?

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

Not one got dam gay, lesbian, homosexual, TGirl, etc said this was wrong, not fucking one!......................what is this world coming to!

Experience dealing with a gay dude.
So I am doing my work, and this gay dude walks in, he starts to tell me about him and his gay lover. Now what in the fuck was dude thinking about coming to me talking about his gay shit? This turns into a problem. I am not there to please him or to listen to his gay shit and why would this idiot think he could tell me?

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Oh but if he came in talking about the chicks he was fucking you would be equally offended right? Get over it. Some people like different shit. I am personally not into "fat chicks". But if someone starts talking about porking fat chicks I don't care. Stop being a bigot.

It is actually mindboggling that on a board dedicated to transgender porn, we actually have to defend LGBT rights.

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Originally Posted by Lester316

this requires nudity last I checked and it is exactly at that point where Lila would look 100% male as physically she still is.

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Yes nothing screams masculinity like the following naked ladies:

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Originally Posted by fred41

For people that think Lila is full of shit, and that maybe she just wants to get her jollies off from changing in a female locker room, try googling her name in the image section. Sure, she doesn't wear the best of wigs and she doesn't have the chic urban no how of expertly applying make-up, but if any of you think this is a boy trying to fool his way in - then I suggest you try gallivanting around a rural area wearing a wig, makeup, a dress and weighing what looks like 110 lbs soaking wet...all day long, every day... I dare you.

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I think some people forget what it is like to be a teenager. Just like every other high school male, I was a horny ass mother fucker. I did a ton of stuff to try to hook up with girls in high school- I got a fake ID, I went into debt to buy a nice car, I shopped at Abercrombie and Fitch, I said "hella". But I'll tell you what- I wouldn't have dressed up like a girl and worn a wig around for a million dollars. Being a varsity football player still didn't protect me from bullying and ridicule. Like I would have purposefully have subjected myself to even more teasing?

To anyone that thinks someone is so desperate to see a girl naked that they would dress like the opposite sex all the time, clearly you have forgotten what being a high school student is like and haven't heard of the internet. Where you can woman naked all the time. For free. Without subjecting yourself to bullying and ridicule.

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

Here's your answer, a homosexual is not natural, there are no homosexual genes! There is imbalance genes that take place and need help from a professional doctor. Not everyone is a homosexual on that venue either, some do homosexual acts to make it, whether its the film industry, music etc. Some people are raped at a young age and are psychologically damaged. Then there are those that go to sex clubs get turned out and then perform the acts of homosexuality.
It is not natural because, two men can't have a child nor two women. Now if you're telling me they can you must prove it. Yet again you're not talking about the issue at hand, Lester to me is the only one who has presented a full case on this subject. Why would you bring another topic from some where else into another topic and keep about I can't write? Why would you have a poorly written man give you an answer if he writes poorly? I don't get it! There's your answer.

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This is a really amusing post from someone who has clearly shown an affinity towards black women.

50 years ago, this exact same response would be applied to your affinity towards black women.

PS- this has to be a banworthy post right?

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

It is not natural because, two men can't have a child nor two women.

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What is your opinion on a marriage between a man and a woman who can't conceive together? Are you telling me that Monica Gellar and Chandler Bing had an unnatural marriage???

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Originally Posted by broncofan

Thank you Gregor Mendel. Mendel as you know is famous for mating pea plants and proving the existence of imbalance genes. I remember his moving description of the pea plants trying to buttfuck each other. No seriously, what should the doctor prescribe for the homos James? A giant dose of pussy?

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Hey at least when Tom Arnold married Rosanne it was a heterosexual marriage.

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Originally Posted by dreamon

What is your opinion on a marriage between a man and a woman who can't conceive together? Are you telling me that Monica Gellar and Chandler Bing had an unnatural marriage???

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Nope, there are a minimum of people who have dysfunctional problems having children, that's why its called "dysfunctional" because it is the direct opposite of natural functioning of having children. Nice try.

@Brofan, no they can get clinical help, like hormone treatment, just like TGirls get theirs, maybe some testosterone here and there! A doctor can tell you!

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Originally Posted by dreamon

Hey at least when Tom Arnold married Rosanne it was a heterosexual marriage.

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Can you show me one instants just one, where a man had sex with a man and had a child? Fuck it, anybody!

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

Nope, there are a minimum of people who have dysfunctional problems having children, that's why its called "dysfunctional" because it is the direct opposite of natural functioning of having children. Nice try.

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You never specified a specific number for it to be unnatural. You said that because two men can't conceive together, it is unnatural. Therefore, a man and a woman who can't conceive together is unnatural.

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Can you show me one instants just one, where a man had sex with a man and had a child? Fuck it, anybody!

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Well, every time I've had sex with a biological woman, I've had a child. So this makes total sense.

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Can you show me one instants just one, where a man had sex with a man and had a child? Fuck it, anybody!

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Can you show me an "instants" of a man having sex with a transgender woman and having a child? Clearly it should be illegal for men to marry transgender women.

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Originally Posted by dreamon

You never specified a specific number for it to be unnatural. You said that because two men can't conceive together, it is unnatural. Therefore, a man and a woman who can't conceive together is unnatural.

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No when a woman and man can't it can be many reasons and some can get fixed and some can't, that's why it's called dysfunctional because they can't naturally do it. And some times they can get clinical help and then they can. Just because they can't doesn't mean its unnatural. Two men can't ever have a child so its not natural to have a child ever! Natural would be of nature, showing to produce and populate the earth is a natural process. Are you telling me what I am saying is false?

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Originally Posted by dreamon

Can you show me an "instants" of a man having sex with a transgender woman and having a child? Clearly it should be illegal for men to marry transgender women.

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Of course not, look at what you said "Transgender" and a "man" will never be able to have a child, can you tell me why?

Illegal for a man to marry a TG? Why are you saying that?

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

Of course not, look at what you said "Transgender" and a "man" will never be able to have a child, can you tell me why?

Illegal for a man to marry a TG? Why are you saying that?

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Interesting. So you agree that a transgender woman and a man can't conceive a child. So by your own definition:

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Originally Posted by jamesedwards

It is not natural because, two men can't have a child nor two women.

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sex between a man and a transgender woman is unnatural.

Transexual:
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a person having a strong desire to assume the physical characteristics and gender role of the opposite sex.
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a person who has undergone hormone treatment and surgery to attain the physical characteristics of the opposite sex.
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So if a TG gets hormone treatment to get the characteristics of the opposite sex, a person who has problems with their hormones that are imbalanced they can get treatment to help them balance their hormones out. I don't understand why people are so blind to this when doctors help people all the time.

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Transexual:
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a person having a strong desire to assume the physical characteristics and gender role of the opposite sex.
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a person who has undergone hormone treatment and surgery to attain the physical characteristics of the opposite sex.
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So if a TG gets hormone treatment to get the characteristics of the opposite sex, a person who has problems with their hormones that are imbalanced they can get treatment to help them balance their hormones out. I don't understand why people are so blind to this when doctors help people all the time.

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Exactly! And so they can't conceive a child with a biological male. This is why sex between a transgender woman and a biological male is fundamentally unnatural. You have shown me the way.

When I talked about this state of being where a person could get help when they feel imbalanced, I was waiting for someone to put up the clinical def. But people are saying all types of crap to me cause I used "Imbalanced". Well there is a term for it, it's called "Gender Dysphoria." You can go and get help. Say if I was born a male and I feel feminine and I don't like it, I go to the doctor and they can give me a prescription.

Let me tell you what happens, people like this are found out and get ridiculed, homosexuals step in and say "Its ok to be gay" the person feels comfy with the gays and then that person identifies as gay. If that person would of gotten help from physicians that person would of been balanced. When these types of people come about people not need ridicule them but support them in getting the help they need.

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Originally Posted by dreamon

Exactly! And so they can't conceive a child with a biological male. This is why sex between a transgender woman and a biological male is fundamentally unnatural. You have shown me the way.

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Glad to be have been an assistance to you. This is why we need to have these talks, its ok to play around some times, cause I do it, but serious subjects need to be talked about.

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Yes nothing screams masculinity like the following naked ladies:

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Your point is flawed. My point was that Lila hasn't started to physically transition as yet as far as I am aware. Two of the pictures you have used as examples are TS girls with augmented breasts (or at the very least hormone use) and Holly has long hair whilst Lila is currently wearing a wig. I could go and find pictures of 3 young cross-dressers and it would be more on point than what you have used as examples. Now Lila identifies as female but until she transitions the perception to some other students would be that she is a cross-dresser and not a girl; providing a separate locker room helps to protect her and the other students from any suggestions of impropriety from either side.

Genetically Lila is still male in every outward perceivable way which is why I don't think it is the right time for her to be using the girl's locker room. As stated I support anyone's transition I just think it would be fair and practical for all involved for her to use the extra locker room facility which has been provided; bearing in mind it is a school and children have enough going on in their lives at a generally confusing age without being forced to share changing areas with someone who looks male but identifies as female.

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Originally Posted by dreamon

I think some people forget what it is like to be a teenager. Just like every other high school male, I was a horny ass mother fucker. I did a ton of stuff to try to hook up with girls in high school- I got a fake ID, I went into debt to buy a nice car, I shopped at Abercrombie and Fitch, I said "hella". But I'll tell you what- I wouldn't have dressed up like a girl and worn a wig around for a million dollars. Being a varsity football player still didn't protect me from bullying and ridicule. Like I would have purposefully have subjected myself to even more teasing?

To anyone that thinks someone is so desperate to see a girl naked that they would dress like the opposite sex all the time, clearly you have forgotten what being a high school student is like and haven't heard of the internet. Where you can woman naked all the time. For free. Without subjecting yourself to bullying and ridicule.

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Your point here is also flawed. You are quite correct to suggest it is crazy to think someone would dress up like a girl and wear a wig just to see naked girls but you also point out that schools are rife with bullying and ridicule. It is those aspects of being a teenager at school which perfectly demonstrate the need for a locker room for Transgender students; a place where they can use the facilities with others who understand what they are going through and not a place where they are mixed in with some students who neither understand or sympathize with them.

James uses an avatar of a TS with a large cock, photoshopped to appear abnormally huge, yet drones on and on about the abnormality of a human being attracted to the same organs they currently possess. This troglodyte serves no further purpose on this forum.

The first time I drank beer, it was a lifestyle choice. The first time I smoked weed, it was a lifestyle choice. When I converted to Islam in college, it was a lifestyle choice (same thing when I decided that all religion is stupid, and became an Atheist). In all of those scenarios, I weighed the decisions, comparing and contrasting the pros and the cons.

The first time I kissed a girl, I was in Kindergarten. I didn't consciously sit there and think about whether I wanted to kiss a boy or a girl. I wasn't attracted to the boys, at all. At a very young age, I liked girls. I wasn't even aware of TS women until I got to college. The first time I saw Thais Anderson jerking off in House of Shemales, I got an erection, and at that point, I realized I was attracted to beautiful women with penises. Jailhouse beast TS women do nothing for me. I don't get an erection looking at a naked man.

Watching TS porn is a lifestyle choice. Being attracted to TS women, or being attracted to a member of the same sex, is not a lifestyle choice. It's unbelievably stupid to hold this viewpoint in 2015. But considering the source, I'm not surprised.

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Originally Posted by Laphroaig

That's just a typo, learn to spot the difference.

As for trolling, James, you're the biggest troll on this site. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the individual cases presented, your last couple of threads are deliberately looking to present transgenders in a bad light. What is your agenda?

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Yes, it was a (very embarrassing in retrospect) auto-correct, as I was typing on my phone. I will ensure better proofreading in the future.

It's a shame that a debate about rights and what is appropriate in a school setting seems to have come secondary to people's opinions of each other. Sometimes we get lost deconstructing how someone makes a point and the importance of the question/point itself gets lost in the shuffle.

Whether or not people believe (as Laphroaig has suggested) if James is trolling and trying to present transgender people in a bad light there is a genuine and important question buried in his comments. Like many others I come to this board as a genuine lover and supporter of transgender people but I also believe that as a society it is logically insane and not practical to accommodate one person's wishes when that may impact on a great many other people. Lila's wish to use the girl's locker room is 100% understandable but enforcing it is by no means fair or practical when you take other people's wishes into account.

The school took all reasonable steps to provide Lila with a locker room area/changing facility that she can use but because she doesn't like it she gets what she wants. Giving one person special treatment whilst refusing to respect the wishes of a vast number of others simply isn't a fair thing to do. How can any society claim to be reasonable if it infringes the rights of a very large number of people by going beyond what it is necessary just to keep one person happy?

I think the increasing emphasis on transgender/gay "rights" is going to spark a backlash in this country if LGBT Community attempts to push these "rights" beyond the bounds of common sense.

The common sense approach is to treat the transgender high school student humanely, which it appears the school district was doing by providing a gender neutral bathroom.

An example of "rights" being pushed too far is attempting to place this transgender student (still with complete male parts) in the midst of the girls' locker-room. If the LGBT Community tries to push things beyond the bounds of common sense then there will be repercussions and actual legitimate hard-earned rights are going to be taken away.

This situation is analogous to the debate now taking place on illegal immigration (one side wants near open borders, and the majority of the country thinks this is a bad idea and people are made that the situation has gotten so far out of control).

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Your point here is also flawed. You are quite correct to suggest it is crazy to think someone would dress up like a girl and wear a wig just to see naked girls but you also point out that schools are rife with bullying and ridicule. It is those aspects of being a teenager at school which perfectly demonstrate the need for a locker room for Transgender students; a place where they can use the facilities with others who understand what they are going through and not a place where they are mixed in with some students who neither understand or sympathize with them.

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So we're going to normalize transgender students by separating them from the student body?

That's not and never was my point.

Normalization is a strange word anyhow, are you suggesting everyone should be the same, think the same way, or act the same way? The sensible and practical option is to provide facilities that suit the needs of those who use them to the best of our abilities.

Forcing 'normalization' or acceptance on any individual or group is prone to failure regardless. Teaching and understanding are required not making people do something they do not want to do.

Lester,
People haven't focused just on his mode of expression but also the things he has said when he put the question to everyone. You seem to have an issue with this transgender using the female's locker room, but not with an initial post about transsexuals and gay men and women trying to impose their lifestyles on other people. Nor an issue with all sorts of homophobia being promoted within this thread as part of the initial post that we were asked to respond to. I find your claim that you are not here to argue disingenuous when we were responding to the posts in the thread, with special emphasis on the first post which started it.

So what is the topic of this thread? Why don't you read the first post and find out. It is not about whether one transgender girl should use a restroom, but about the pending harm being brought about by transsexuals and gay men and women generally. It would all be nice if we could just state our views in the abstract but we are always at least responding to the first post.

I also don't buy most of your arguments about why a transsexual should not be able to use a restroom matching her gender identity but I was pleased that Fred had posted that our most liberal states have already passed favorable laws and imagine much like gay marriage it will be sorted out in due time. Slippery slope arguments and arguments about administrative efficiency and the majority being able to claim their discomfort trumps the rights of someone with much more at stake don't convince me. But yes, it's kind of bizarre to me that someone can start a thread with pretty obvious hatred and you can pretend that it is not annexed to the main topic or just as relevant to address.

I believe until there is , at the minimum, a state law or dept. of education mandate on these situations, they can often be handled on a case by case basis. In Lila's case I don't think I'd mind if she changed in the same locker room as my daughter (assuming I had one of course)...and I don't think my daughter would mind if she was in any way like me.

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The school took all reasonable steps to provide Lila with a locker room area/changing facility that she can use but because she doesn't like it she gets what she wants. Giving one person special treatment whilst refusing to respect the wishes of a vast number of others simply isn't a fair thing to do. How can any society claim to be reasonable if it infringes the rights of a very large number of people by going beyond what it is necessary just to keep one person happy?

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What if an all white locker room didn't want a black student changing with them ...or a handicapped student? When do the considerations of the individual outweigh the considerations of the majority in your opinion?
If a psychologist labeled Lila a transsexual , I think I'd be good with that. But I understand that not everyone's going to agree with me on this...ten years ago I probably would have argued otherwise.

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If a psychologist labeled Lila a transsexual , I think I'd be good with that. But I understand that not everyone's going to agree with me on this...ten years ago I probably would have argued otherwise.

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You avoid a slippery slope by having a reasonable process. I think that would be one. It actually does a lot to address the fears of the opponents of the measure.

The other argument I see is that we've chosen biological categories, and they are the simplest and most straight-forward single categories, so that's what we should stick with. But of course nothing prevents the adoption of slight changes or exceptions to the general categories. It doesn't really make it much less feasible if you understand why you chose the initial categories and why it is you're making an exception.

One of the reasons we chose these categories is probably privacy based, not just matching like with like...and if that's the case then an analogy between gender identity AND sexual orientation is warranted. One reason people are not uncomfortable in the presence of those biologically similar is not just that they have the same parts and functions but also maybe their suspicion (or misapprehension) that it's unlikely someone has an incentive to look at their body. Frequently people suspected of being gay are accused of peeping, and a mtf transsexual will be subjected to homophobia in a boy's bathroom regardless of her sexual orientation. So I thought it was perfectly relevant that you pointed out that if the girls are afraid she has some prurient interest in seeing her body, they would be just as likely to have gay women checking them out.

The reason the main subject took a backseat to my concern with James's posts is that his posts highlight a much bigger problem. As I said, if someone thinks a mtf ts should not use the girls room I can understand their reasoning without necessarily agreeing, but I can't understand them thinking that it highlights a problem of an over-aggressive lgbt community trying to harm children. The worst possible outcome for the children is that they end up like James, thinking that homosexuality is the result of imbalance genes and that a gay co-worker who mentions that he has a partner is bombarding him with gay shit.

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Originally Posted by Lester316

Normalization is a strange word anyhow, are you suggesting everyone should be the same, think the same way, or act the same way?

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I'm suggesting that everyone should be treated the same way.